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I just want to flag this up from last night's Town Hall (source):

President Trump: (35:29)
Good. So we got rid of the individual mandate on Obamacare, which was the worst part of Obamacare, and now you could actually say it’s not Obamacare because that’s how big it was, where you had to pay a fortune for the privilege of not having to pay for bad health insurance, so we got rid of that. That was a big, big thing. And by doing that, and we will always have… By the way, we’re always protecting people with pre-existing conditions, and I can’t say that more strongly, but we’ve been able to bring healthcare costs way down. Now, I took over Obamacare, got rid of the individual mandate, made it good, managed it much better. Remember, they had the $5 billion website disaster, and all of the problems they had. The problem with Obamacare, it’s not good. We’d like to terminate it, and we want a much less expensive healthcare that’s a much better healthcare, and that’s where we’re aiming. And if we can do that, and we have a very good chance of doing it, but we’ve also brought down the price of Obamacare. The problem with Obamacare, it basically is never going to be great, and I want to give great healthcare. So important. And thank you very much.

Savannah: (36:37)
Mr. President, I got a follow-up pre-existing conditions. This is such a big issue for voters.

President Trump: (36:39)
It is a big issue for me too.

Savannah: (36:41)
In point of fact, your administration is about to go to the Supreme Court to argue to throw out the rest of Obamacare, which includes the protections for preexisting conditions.

President Trump: (36:50)
That’s right. That’s right.

Savannah: (36:50)
So your administration is in court right now, trying to get rid of that protection.

President Trump: (36:54)
In order to replace it with a much better healthcare at a much lower price. And always, under all circumstances, we are going to protect the Republicans. And maybe I changed the party a lot over the last three years, but we will protect people with preexisting conditions. And Savannah, what I want to do, get rid of the terrible Obamacare. I’ve already done it to a large extent because as you know, the individual mandate is gone. That was the worst part.

Savannah: (37:22)
You repealed, but you haven’t replaced.

President Trump: (37:23)
No, no.

Savannah: (37:23)
Now, you’ve been in office almost four years.

President Trump: (37:26)
We have done-

Savannah: (37:27)
You have both houses of Congress, Senate and House, in Republican hands, and there is not a replacement yet.

President Trump: (37:33)
That’s right. I’m sorry, but if you look, we had both houses and what did we do? We got rid of the individual mandate. That went through the legislature.

Savannah: (37:39)
But the promise was repeal and replace.

President Trump: (37:40)
Look, look. We should be on the same side. I wanted very simple. I’m going to put it very simple. We would like to terminate it, and we would like to replace it with something that’s much less expensive and much better. We will always protect people with preexisting conditions.

Savannah: (37:59)
But if you’re successful in court-

President Trump: (37:59)
And here’s the thing-

Savannah: (37:59)
… in November, those preexisting conditions, that promise will be gone.

President Trump: (38:00)
If we don’t succeed, we are running the remnants of whatever’s left because we took it apart. We are running the remnants of whatever’s left much better than the previous administration, which ran it very badly, but we’d like to have new healthcare much better and much less expensive.

How does anyone have confidence in Trump on this topic from that performance? Incoherent, evasive, lacking detail... I also love what looks like a very revealing Freudian slip: "And always, under all circumstances, we are going to protect the Republicans". The rest of the country, though, can go die in a ditch.

I noticed all the right wing talking heads went all snowflake at mean old Savannah Guthrie "ambushing" their super-tough, manly, genius president by asking him some simple questions to explain and defend some basic government policy.
 

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But now that a crack has been found in the relationship between Trump and McConnel people need to push on it, perhaps make Trump throw a tantrum about how badly Mitch has treated him over the years, make him act like the spoiled fool we know him to be.
This could have happened on day 1. Donald Trump is a Democrat. If the Democrats had allowed him to agree with them at any point before this, they'd have put McConnell in a vice for this whole presidency, but noooo, we needed 4 years of spite apparently.
 

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This could have happened on day 1. Donald Trump is a Democrat. If the Democrats had allowed him to agree with them at any point before this, they'd have put McConnell in a vice for this whole presidency, but noooo, we needed 4 years of spite apparently.
He was a democrat, now he's a wanna be autocrat with the backing of the republican party. I'd consider his actions instead of his stated goals. You don't get to act like Trump and expect to be included in the democratic party.
 

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I just want to flag this up from last night's Town Hall (source):


How does anyone have confidence in Trump on this topic from that performance? Incoherent, evasive, lacking detail... I also love what looks like a very revealing Freudian slip: "And always, under all circumstances, we are going to protect the Republicans". The rest of the country, though, can go die in a ditch.

I noticed all the right wing talking heads went all snowflake at mean old Savannah Guthrie "ambushing" their super-tough, manly, genius president by asking him some simple questions to explain and defend some basic government policy.
Did you watch the video or just read that transcript? He didn't say "We are going to protect the Republicans." He paused and completely changed inflection to say "the Republicans", he was saying that Republicans were going to protect people with preexisting conditions, it was an aside to specify who he meant by "we" in "we are going to protect".
 

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He was a democrat, now he's a wanna be autocrat with the backing of the republican party. I'd consider his actions instead of his stated goals. You don't get to act like Trump and expect to be included in the democratic party.
Trump behaves exactly like the Democrats. He's got a billboard up in my county that has 4 bullet points under his name, and for the life of me I don't know what the 3rd and 4th are because the 2nd bullet point is, I swear to God, "pro-minority" and I die laughing every time I see it. Not that it's wrong to be for minorities, but to state it like that is... like... well it isn't subtle.

Trump attacks opponents like Lyndon Johnson, treats women like Bill Clinton, uses executive orders like Barack Obama... I suppose he's not like Jimmy Carter, but Jimmy Carter is an exception to a lot of rules. Trump is just like the Democrats, and that's why things got so mean in 2016, because it typically falls to Republicans to unilaterally bring some class into the discussion.
 

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Trump behaves exactly like the Democrats. He's got a billboard up in my county that has 4 bullet points under his name, and for the life of me I don't know what the 3rd and 4th are because the 2nd bullet point is, I swear to God, "pro-minority" and I die laughing every time I see it. Not that it's wrong to be for minorities, but to state it like that is... like... well it isn't subtle.

Trump attacks opponents like Lyndon Johnson, treats women like Bill Clinton, uses executive orders like Barack Obama... I suppose he's not like Jimmy Carter, but Jimmy Carter is an exception to a lot of rules. Trump is just like the Democrats, and that's why things got so mean in 2016, because it typically falls to Republicans to unilaterally bring some class into the discussion.
So, you're going for a write-in this election?
 

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Trump behaves exactly like the Democrats. He's got a billboard up in my county that has 4 bullet points under his name, and for the life of me I don't know what the 3rd and 4th are because the 2nd bullet point is, I swear to God, "pro-minority" and I die laughing every time I see it. Not that it's wrong to be for minorities, but to state it like that is... like... well it isn't subtle.

Trump attacks opponents like Lyndon Johnson, treats women like Bill Clinton, uses executive orders like Barack Obama... I suppose he's not like Jimmy Carter, but Jimmy Carter is an exception to a lot of rules. Trump is just like the Democrats, and that's why things got so mean in 2016, because it typically falls to Republicans to unilaterally bring some class into the discussion.
Oh wow. Its like looking into some bizarre alternative dimension.
 

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Who was your choice in the primary in 2016?
In the end, Ted Cruz, but by the time my state voted, everyone but Trump, Cruz, and Kasich had already dropped iirc. That makes it more a process of elimination than anything, though in retrospect I like Cruz a lot more than I did at the time. Might just be sunk cost kicking in. Had the full slate of options been relevant, Carly Fiorina and Marco Rubio had my attention.
 

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In the end, Ted Cruz, but by the time my state voted, everyone but Trump, Cruz, and Kasich had already dropped iirc. That makes it more a process of elimination than anything, though in retrospect I like Cruz a lot more than I did at the time. Might just be sunk cost kicking in. Had the full slate of options been relevant, Carly Fiorina and Marco Rubio had my attention.
TBH though The country would be in such a better place right now if Kasich had won. I also cannot understand how anyone could possibly like Cruz and I am in Texas. :X
 

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Ooh...

Even better: turns out Trump lost the ratings battle in the competing town halls. Biden was watched by a million more viewers, even including the other NBC subsidiaries that broadcast the Trump town hall. We know how much Trump loves his ratings, and had hoped to smash Biden in them: he's going to be so mad.
 
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Being a part of a system =\= being the part responsible for keeping systemic racisms in place. John Lewis and Bernie Sanders have also been a part of the system, that STILL doesn't mean they were the reason for persistent systemic racism either. There are government officials at all levels of government that are responsible for system racism, and there are also government officials at all levels of government that are not. Simply being part of the government does not mean you are the part responsible for systemic racism. That is the ignorant thing from this approach, so what if they are " part of a system", what did they personally have control over? While there most certainly are racist democrat's, almost the entirety of the GOP has been responsible for keeping it in place. John Lewis was a democrat for a reason.
You've been fact-checked and debunked!
Biden's (not a drug addict) son supporting a trust-fund kid after he was given only probation for raping his 4 year old daughter:
Biden (Senior) passing the "tough on crime" bill:
Look at this garbage, I googled it now to find the wikipedia article and I have TWO fact-checking articles in front of it from vox and factcheck.com
This is all so tiresome

Even if they did nothing to stop it they were responsible for it merely for their being a part of it. They were at least complicit. The absolute state of people thinking that electing career politicians would actually change anything.
 

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You've been fact-checked and debunked!
Biden's (not a drug addict) son supporting a trust-fund kid after he was given only probation for raping his 4 year old daughter:
Biden (Senior) passing the "tough on crime" bill:
Look at this garbage, I googled it now to find the wikipedia article and I have TWO fact-checking articles in front of it from vox and factcheck.com
This is all so tiresome

Even if they did nothing to stop it they were responsible for it merely for their being a part of it. They were at least complicit. The absolute state of people thinking that electing career politicians would actually change anything.
It is tiresome. I just talked about Bernie Sanders and John Lewis and then you post something about other people and claim that debunked something. I have no idea what you think you debunked, but it wasn't anything I said. Go ahead, you do you though.
 

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It is tiresome. I just talked about Bernie Sanders and John Lewis and then you post something about other people and claim that debunked something. I have no idea what you think you debunked, but it wasn't anything I said. Go ahead, you do you though.
It is tiresome.
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I'm not defending random politicians online 'lil. Neither should you, really. You know better than I do that the soldiers guarding the camps were as responsible as the people that signed off it. The politicians who voted in favor of Iraq were as responsible as any soldier in the field. You can't change politics with old ass geezers that attempt to be hip. Goes the same with Bernie, he dropped out twice and pocketed some nice change. Remember, no refunds!
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Nancy Pelosi: Pandemic Relief Needs A Deal By Tuesday To Pass By Election Day
"The House speaker said the Trump administration’s desire to water down a plan for nationwide coronavirus testing and contact tracing threatens any agreement.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Sunday that the U.S. House and the Trump administration would need to come to an agreement on the next phase of pandemic-related economic stimulus by Tuesday for a coronavirus relief package to have any chance of passing before Election Day.
“We have to freeze the design on some of these things,” Pelosi said on ABC’s ”This Week.” “Are we going with it or not?”

The speaker has had a number of discussions with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin over the last few months, reportedly trying to agree on legislation that could pass in the Democrat-controlled House and earn Trump’s approval. In that time, Trump himself has undermined the negotiations by publicly ordering his representatives to withdraw from talks until after the election and allowing his vindictiveness to seep into the debate over which Americans receive vital aid and how it is dispersed. On Thursday, Trump admitted his “pride” wouldn’t let him support the deal Pelosi proposed because it included funding for Democrat-led states and cities, which have been devastated by the pandemic.

Pelosi said one key sticking point holding up an agreement is the Trump administration’s insistence on watering down language that would allow the government to impose testing guidelines as part of a national strategic plan to curb the spread of the coronavirus.
“With all due respect to some of the people in the president’s administration, they’re not legislators,” Pelosi said Sunday. On Thursday, Mnuchin reportedly told Pelosi the White House had only “minor” modifications to make to Democrats’ spending proposal, which includes expanded unemployment benefits and funding for widespread testing and contact tracing. But the administration’s modifications weren’t minor at all, according to the speaker.

“They changed ‘shall’ to ‘may,’ ‘ requirements’ to ‘recommendations,’ ‘plan’ to ‘strategy,’” Pelosi said. She said she is “optimistic” a deal can still be reached but confirmed Democrats want to include language that would obligate the administration to actually spend money allocated by Congress.

“When you say ‘may,’ you’re giving the president a slush fund ― he may grant, he may withhold,” Pelosi said. She insisted Democrats’ original language would bind the administration to the testing strategy and force it to act in accordance with health guidelines.
Even if Pelosi and Mnuchin reach an agreement, it is unclear whether the deal would stand any chance in the Republican-controlled Senate, particularly as GOP senators are intently focused on confirming another conservative justice to the Supreme Court before Election Day.

Senate Republicans support a much smaller coronavirus relief package, including decreasing the amount of the now-expired unemployment benefits some Americans received during the first round of coronavirus relief and not including additional relief checks like the $1,200 many Americans received in the first package. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is refusing to allow a vote on the coronavirus relief bill the House passed earlier this month as well as a previous version of the bill introduced in May. On Saturday, McConnell said the Senate will instead vote again on the GOP’s smaller relief bill, which Democrats blocked in September.

The pandemic has ravaged state economies and shuttered thousands of American businesses, including disproportionately high rates of businesses with nonwhite owners. With winter fast approaching, infection rates ticking up across the country, and health officials continuing to stress the importance of social distancing, pandemic relief over the next few months could set the trajectory of the U.S. economy for the next few years, at least."



Trump needs to stop wanting to withhold money based on who he likes and doesn't and the GOP needs to get their head out and pass this so people can get the relief they need. The Media, for the most part, seems fine with letting some people lose everything by taking the smaller deal because it covers the corporations, however, we need to make sure the first responders and teachers are okay in this as well,. not just who trump likes and doesn't.

McConnell's smaller bill does not even contain the Stimulus check at all.
 
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Nancy Pelosi: Pandemic Relief Needs A Deal By Tuesday To Pass By Election Day
"The House speaker said the Trump administration’s desire to water down a plan for nationwide coronavirus testing and contact tracing threatens any agreement.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Sunday that the U.S. House and the Trump administration would need to come to an agreement on the next phase of pandemic-related economic stimulus by Tuesday for a coronavirus relief package to have any chance of passing before Election Day.
“We have to freeze the design on some of these things,” Pelosi said on ABC’s ”This Week.” “Are we going with it or not?”

The speaker has had a number of discussions with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin over the last few months, reportedly trying to agree on legislation that could pass in the Democrat-controlled House and earn Trump’s approval. In that time, Trump himself has undermined the negotiations by publicly ordering his representatives to withdraw from talks until after the election and allowing his vindictiveness to seep into the debate over which Americans receive vital aid and how it is dispersed. On Thursday, Trump admitted his “pride” wouldn’t let him support the deal Pelosi proposed because it included funding for Democrat-led states and cities, which have been devastated by the pandemic.

Pelosi said one key sticking point holding up an agreement is the Trump administration’s insistence on watering down language that would allow the government to impose testing guidelines as part of a national strategic plan to curb the spread of the coronavirus.
“With all due respect to some of the people in the president’s administration, they’re not legislators,” Pelosi said Sunday. On Thursday, Mnuchin reportedly told Pelosi the White House had only “minor” modifications to make to Democrats’ spending proposal, which includes expanded unemployment benefits and funding for widespread testing and contact tracing. But the administration’s modifications weren’t minor at all, according to the speaker.

“They changed ‘shall’ to ‘may,’ ‘ requirements’ to ‘recommendations,’ ‘plan’ to ‘strategy,’” Pelosi said. She said she is “optimistic” a deal can still be reached but confirmed Democrats want to include language that would obligate the administration to actually spend money allocated by Congress.

“When you say ‘may,’ you’re giving the president a slush fund ― he may grant, he may withhold,” Pelosi said. She insisted Democrats’ original language would bind the administration to the testing strategy and force it to act in accordance with health guidelines.
Even if Pelosi and Mnuchin reach an agreement, it is unclear whether the deal would stand any chance in the Republican-controlled Senate, particularly as GOP senators are intently focused on confirming another conservative justice to the Supreme Court before Election Day.

Senate Republicans support a much smaller coronavirus relief package, including decreasing the amount of the now-expired unemployment benefits some Americans received during the first round of coronavirus relief and not including additional relief checks like the $1,200 many Americans received in the first package. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is refusing to allow a vote on the coronavirus relief bill the House passed earlier this month as well as a previous version of the bill introduced in May. On Saturday, McConnell said the Senate will instead vote again on the GOP’s smaller relief bill, which Democrats blocked in September.

The pandemic has ravaged state economies and shuttered thousands of American businesses, including disproportionately high rates of businesses with nonwhite owners. With winter fast approaching, infection rates ticking up across the country, and health officials continuing to stress the importance of social distancing, pandemic relief over the next few months could set the trajectory of the U.S. economy for the next few years, at least."



Trump needs to stop wanting to withhold money based on who he likes and doesn't and the GOP needs to get their head out and pass this so people can get the relief they need. The Media, for the most part, seems fine with letting some people lose everything by taking the smaller deal because it covers the corporations, however, we need to make sure the first responders and teachers are okay in this as well,. not just who trump likes and doesn't.

McConnell's smaller bill does not even contain the Stimulus check at all.
Meanwhile people are in desparate need and will not get any help until MAYBE February. Pelosi needs to take what she can get right now and hope like hell the Dems take over after the election so she can get everything else she wants. Trump has ZERO incentive to do a damn thing after the election. If he loses we get to wait until February, if he wins, fk you the economy is great, the virus is a hoax and I'm sitting at my big resolute desk for 4 mroe years.
 

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Meanwhile people are in desparate need and will not get any help until MAYBE February. Pelosi needs to take what she can get right now and hope like hell the Dems take over after the election so she can get everything else she wants. Trump has ZERO incentive to do a damn thing after the election. If he loses we get to wait until February, if he wins, fk you the economy is great, the virus is a hoax and I'm sitting at my big resolute desk for 4 mroe years.
You do understand the only thing she can get right now is McConnell's $500 Billion bill with no stimulus check at all in it and only welfare for the wealthy? McConnell said he wouldn't pass a stimulus check at all here. The ONLY bill she could pass would have no stimulus check coming to anyone.

If they pass McConnell's bill they still get no help. Trump's bill makes it so only republican states will get their help and he can withhold democrat states funding, but McConnell said he wouldn't pass that either. Pelosi has passed two bills thus far and McConnell is ignoring them.

I agree that Trump has zero incentive to help anyone after the election. McConnell is blocking all help for the poor right now so I am not sure how anyone is going to work around that. McConnell could pass either of the Bills Pelosi passed at any time if he was pressured to do so, but he will not do that either.

McConnell won't even allow the Senate to vote on any of the bills Pelosi passed in the house already, they are jut piling up there and he said he was going to do the same to Trump's bill as well.
 
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