The united kingdom, great britain and Britain are not the same thing?. And why so many names?

[Pandairon]

As long as nobody says Ireland is part of the UK, then I'm okay with it.

Actually, you just said the United Kingdom contains Ireland.

BURN IN HELL!

It's Northern Ireland that's part of the UK, not Ireland. Believe me, Irish have spent long enough fighting and starving to not be part of the UK that we're very touchy about it.

And sometimes even saying Northern Ireland is part of the UK annoys us.

Oh my the irish agrro. Everyone gets all worked up about labels. Forgive and forget, the past is the past afteral such close neighbours this grudge is unnessasary.

Its still part of the British Isles though, so I don't fully understand why that doesn't make you British (unless you have to be from Britain, but that would mean the Northern Irish aren't British either which seems to be inferred by a lot of Irish).

Irish don't even like it being called the British isles, we refer to it as the Atlantic isles (rarely) or 'These Islands' (common)
Also, Irish nationalists like myself believe that Britain has no justification to continue ruling over Northern Ireland.

Clearly though saying you are part of the UK is probably a good deal worse than someone claiming I'm Irish.

It drives me into apocalyptic rage when people do, I doubt you have quite the same reaction.

I am not picking sides but is it as really bad as your saying or are you exaggerating the hatered the Irish have for the english?. Granted they did horrible unspeakable things but I would think an occasional slip of the tounge like calling Ireland a British country is forgivable. It doesnt help matters that Nothern Ireland is also called Ireland so, I mean if it was country A and country B then fine I can understand why you would get angry because it's annoying more than insulting.

Oh nvm this is just a simple misunderstanding, I really think both nations should sit down in a great big table and enjoy some Irish larger in a feast of unity.

 

[Pandairon]

I'm pretty sure that Great Britain and Britain are the same thing.

Also The United Kingdom only applies to England, Scotland, Wales and NORTHERN Ireland not the whole of Ireland.

that's funny..

"IRELAND WILL NEVER BE PART OF THE UK!!"
"Awww.. can we at least have Northern Ireland?"
"...FINE!.. *heheh hey lads, they took Norn Ireland, lil diddey know we PEED all over it! hehehe*"

Don't forget the potatoes, lol

 

[DazZ.]

Pretty sure only the Irish care, 70% of the UK couldn't tell you the exact difference between the terms.

 

[wooty]

About half of the people want to be part of Ireland and the other half want to be part of Britain. It's so close that it's impossible to get a proper result.
I myself believe that it's unjustified because the people who want to be part of Britain (the Ulster Scots protestants) were put there by the British 300 years ago while the native Irish were kicked out of there homes and killed.
I have no problem with the Protestants and as far as I'm concerned, they're pretty much Irish by now (as much as the more fanatical of them would deny it) but any attempt of Britain to justify it's holding on to Northern Ireland as them holding up 'democracy' is completely bogus because it's them that was subverting it in the first place by doing what's essentially preemptive vote rigging.

*gasps for breath*

but thats just my opinion. Anyway, we should stop talking about this here, we might get wrathed.

My girlfriend is from Belfast, she says she's Irish, I call her Irish, but she always says that shes from Britain if anyone asks. It seems that nationality and actual place your from differ. One example I can give is when I first met her grandad, who you can say is a stern republican, literal converstaion went like this

Him - "So your the English shit whos going out with my Helen?"
me - "I'm not English, im from Liverpool"
Him - "then have a seat my boy"

I shit you not

 

[Pandairon]

Pretty sure only the Irish care, 70% of the UK couldn't tell you the exact difference between the terms.

If that. I doubt a majority of the Irish care either, most would have moved on by now. All it is is an aribitary line on a map, it's the people and culture that make up the bulk of national pride.

The Irish culture, which I don't know apart from massive drinkers and lovers of potatoe is rich with history and poetry and stuff. The last thing an Irishman would worry about is how people across the sea are calling boarderlines.

Oh my the irish agrro. Everyone gets all worked up about labels. Forgive and forget, the past is the past afteral such close neighbours this grudge is unnessasary.

I've had members of my family killed and maimed by the British military, I'm not going to forget any time soon.

I am not from the Uk but I can sympathise with that

 

[woodsymoments]

id say it was more of a heated argument they bombed manchester like what ya say about that and then we were like cheers we needed the space for a new selfridges

 

[wooty]

My girlfriend is from Belfast, she says she's Irish, I call her Irish, but she always says that shes from Britain if anyone asks.

Nordys have this 6th sense about that.
They know who to tell they're Irish and who to tell they're British.
It comes from harsh training, from telling people the wrong thing and getting the shit kicked out of you.
Coxafloppin still has to go round the long way to get out of his neighbourhood because he's a protestant and people will beat him up if he goes the short way.

It seems that nationality and actual place your from differ. One example I can give is when I first met her grandad, who you can say is a stern republican, literal converstaion went like this

Him - "So your the English shit whos going out with my Helen?"
me - "I'm not English, im from Liverpool"
Him - "then have a seat my boy"

I shit you not

That's because he knows that Liverpool is almost totally Irish descent.
Seriously, it's sometimes called 'The 6th City of Ireland' because everyone in it has strong Irish roots.
Most of the English born IRA bombers came from there.

Makes perfect sense, I know im a lot Irish on my dads side (no idea of actual numbers), his family worked on the Mersey Tunnel construction. As for her, I say shes Irish, she was born in Ireland regardless of geographical position. But I guess its everywhere, even North/South of England sometimes feels like a different planet, and theres some hostility too.

 

[ZombieGenesis]

Great Britain = Britain.
It was changed during the Victorian period when the Empire expanded, so technically there is no 'Great Britain' now, it's just a coy name we use, and also because we're just that awesome. Really though the entire omnibus of names refer, typically, to England, Scottland, Wales and Northern Ireland (including smaller isles such as the Isle of Man).

 

[Layz92]

Oops, sorry did not mean to offend. Thanks though, I knew that but in my head I clumped the whole island as one. I promise not to do it again, please don't hurt me.

He won't hurt you... The IRA might though.

 

[Pandairon]

Oops, sorry did not mean to offend. Thanks though, I knew that but in my head I clumped the whole island as one. I promise not to do it again, please don't hurt me.

He won't hurt you... The IRA might though.

Didn't they disband?

 

[Sronpop]

The funny thing is, I know a lot of Irish people(from the south that is) going to the north to buy xmas shopping etc. because its a lot cheaper and our government have fucked everything up.

 

[Pandairon]

Oops, sorry did not mean to offend. Thanks though, I knew that but in my head I clumped the whole island as one. I promise not to do it again, please don't hurt me.

He won't hurt you... The IRA might though.

Didn't they disband?

Real IRA are still around.

I should now, I was present when they shot two British soldiers dead in early 2009.

As an innocent bystander obviously.

Oh my god, why?. Was it necessary? Why do they insist on aggravating a problem instead of working things out. This kind of eye for an eye jazz really annoys me. Well it's not eye for an eye because the engish are not retaliating and 2009 was last year, modern times. How about some modern thinking but no, violence is the key now.

Sometimes the irish attitude towards conflict resolution is appalling.

 

[woodsymoments]

to tell you the truth i'd rather have the IRA back then Al Qaeda cos at least the IRA were fighting for something worthwhile

 

[Pandairon]

Sometimes the irish attitude towards conflict resolution is appalling.

As is the English's.

Bloody Sunday and Dublin bombings being the primary examples.

Nobody is clean.

I can agree with that but honestly when has the english conducted assaults on Irish soil after those said events?. After the IRA officially disbanded did the English still plague you?. They left and all they have as a connection with Southern Ireland is Nothern Ireland, which by law isn't part of the Republic. It;s now a domestic british matter. Also since the local population willingly went to the Brits I don't see what the fuss is about anymore. The english leave the irish alone and the Irish leave the enlish alone. Why is this simple situation so convoluted with vengence and for something that happened in 1900s?.

 

[Layz92]

Oops, sorry did not mean to offend. Thanks though, I knew that but in my head I clumped the whole island as one. I promise not to do it again, please don't hurt me.

He won't hurt you... The IRA might though.

Didn't they disband?

I think they did but that doesn't mean the members have all relaxed and given up ALL their weapons.