The Victims of Homosexuality

[Tipsy Giant]

It is not a choice it is due to the amount of testosterone released in the child while they are in the womb, science figured it out.
Thanks for calling out bullshit again Science, I love you

Sorry, I know this is a well intentioned invocation of prenatal hormone theory, but it's just not true.

A couple of years ago, Simon LeVay (an anatomist) suggested that he had have found human evidence of differences in the pituitary glands between self-identified gay and straight men. Now, the pituitary gland doesn't produce very much testosterone (unsurprisingly, testosterone comes from the testes) but it does produce some other hormones, which LeVay suggested could be responsible for sexual orientation.

Now, there are numerous problems with LeVay's study. The differences he records are absolutely tiny, which explains why if he's right they've been missed in previous anatomical studies. He took all these measurements himself, without any other researchers present to verify them. Frankly, he could just be wrong. There are so many theories about what causes sexual orientation, and virtually all of them have some evidence.

So basically, science hasn't proved anything in this regard yet. Until it does, I think the real potential is in child development theories based on repression or abjection. They make the most sense, and unlike 90% of the "physiological" theories they don't ignore or invalidate bisexuality.

I think physiological arguments surrounding the distribution of hormones (whether that be prenatal or at the beginning of puberty) encompasses bisexuality, as surely it is all a grey scale depending on how much is released into the system

 

[zelda2fanboy]

That is one major *facepalm* moment.

No, I don't know many right wing Christian gay people. Why? Because those are the ones who feel forced to hide it, and get persecuted if they don't.

The very fact that there seems to be such a homogenised homosexual culture should be the very thing that is tipping you off to the fact that there's still a problem.

That leads us into another discussion though (one I will fight for to my dying breath), but people who don't identify themselves as gay, are not, for all intents and purposes, gay. You can't reside inside someone else's head, so if someone chooses to hide whatever their preference may be and does not engage in activities related to that preference, they are not whatever that thing is. A straight guy who says he's gay and who has sex exclusively with gay men is gay. A gay guy who says he's straight and who has sex exclusively with straight women is straight. Again, treating homosexuality like an affliction is what makes people think of sexuality as rigid and structured when it's anything but.

Idiotic leadership in Christian groups may lead to homosexuals having a homogenized culture, but if you're looking for some action, is that really that bad of a thing for an openly gay man? As an atheist, it tickles me pink when preachers push more people over to my team. Winning by attrition. Keep on alienating people, God. See how that works out.

Are all you people in high school? Kids get bullied for all sorts of stupid shit, being/looking/acting "gay" is one of thousands. Also having red hair or being tall or short or having glasses or anything. I was called a "fag" and a "queer" and a "pansy" (whatever that is) all the time. I wasn't being "persecuted." Kids are just assholes.

 

[Grimjo16]

Smoking is a life choice, being overweight not so black and white. im overweight but it's because I have inner ear problems and get motion sick from walking. I can't work out without making myself sick I'm not morbidly obese but I'm still overweight and can't do anything about it. I eat like anyone else and your saying it's cool look down on me?

 

[Something Amyss]

I don't know but to me it seems awfully hypocritical that that "it gets better" program was made in the intention that gays are correct while B's and T's are wrong. So basically he's everything that's wrong with his own message. his answer to tolerance is more intolerance? Seems wrong to even bother to continue a hypocrites legacy if you ask me.

Now you're getting the big picture.

 

[Monkeyman O'Brien]

non-molesting pedophile

but in this case, I have trouble thinking of anything other than preemptive execution is in order.

And that is the point where you lose any and all credibility.
This is one of my biggest problems with people who post this sorta shit. Those who preach tolerance and shit are usually themselves just as fucking bad in regards to other issues.
So yeah, I have always pretty much followed the message you are trying to spread but you sir are the exact type of person who should not be spreading it.
In your own thread calling for tolerance you then go on to say you think people should be murdered for no other reason then a sexual preference they did not choose. How are you any different to the people you are complaining about in the OP?

 

[Blaster395]

Savage, the guy who originally came up with it, IIRC, completely denies the existence of bisexuality. You're either gay or straight, maybe you're going through a phase, maybe you're doing it for attention, but you absolutely cannot be bisexual.

Biphobia and bisexual erasure are significant problems within even the LGBT, as if people forget what the third letter of the acronym is.

On top of the arguments used for discrimination towards homosexuals, bisexuals are also called promiscuous, trying to spread STDs, that they will always abandon their partner for the opposite gender, actually straight and doing it for attention, going through a phase, actually gay and just in the closet.

The whole doing it for attention argument is silly when you consider that the only attention it will create in the long run is negative, especially if you are male.

 

[zelda2fanboy]

This doesn't make sense. The point is that sexually is internal, and that affects our actions. You can be gay without having sex; it's attraction. You make it sound like everyone is asexual until they get laid. Your examples are just silly. A straight guy who has sex with men is gay? Why would you call him straight in the first place? It's like saying "The black guy with white skin is white".

I think you just proved my point. Why do people automatically assume that a conservative Christian who doesn't think homosexuality is "moral" is always a closet case? He doesn't have sex with men, so why should we assume that he is anything but who he says he is?

I didn't get laid until last month and before last year, you'd be hard pressed to find evidence that I had any interest in girls whatsoever. I was, as one could reasonably assume, "asexual." It is external. (I've had this conversation so many times, I'm sick of it.)

 

[zelda2fanboy]

No, you were not asexual. It is not external. You don't get to define the terms, they're already defined and they do not agree with how you use them.

I'll use them however I want. I don't like defining people by a bunch of hoodoo and guesswork. I know I can't change it, but I'd sure like to.

 

[zelda2fanboy]

Tl;DR, the unfair treatment of gays still happens. And I see no fucking reason why I shouldn't be angry about it just because I'm not part of that particular group. I was not going on about it without cause. This was a thread created for the purpose of venting about how angry it makes me, and many others who happen to be straight.

And you claim that we shouldn't bother for the most ridiculous reasons! Apparently, an abundance of gay media and nightclubs makes up for the fact that they can still get kicked to death in the middle of a city street just for making a move on the wrong guy. This is a thing that happens. This is absolutely worth getting angry about, even if it's less common now than it used to be.

What street? Where? Grr, angry, grr....

My original point (I think) still stands. Having feelings about something and posting them on the internet accomplishes very little (this is the pot calling the kettle black) Gay people don't need you to do this and it gains them nothing. If anything, it might be hurting them a little bit because it makes it seem like they can't defend themselves, which they almost certainly can and do frequently. GLAAD does it all the time. It gets a little annoying, even, but that's what organizations like GLAAD and the NAACP and the Catholic League and Anti Defamation League do.

I'm just saying, they got this, bro.

 

[DarkRyter]

So, there's been a lot of talk in the forum about homosexuality lately, due in large part to the upcoming Mass Effect threequel. Both sides of the fence have gotten out of hand and I think we all need to step back and take a minute to think about the victims of homosexuality.

Homosexuals.

I'm sure it's pretty easy to sit on your comfy chair, behind your keyboard and protected by the shroud of internet anonymity while you tell everyone how wrong it is to be gay, or how immoral it is, how your god doesn't approve, how you think it's icky, etc., etc. But you know what? Shut up. Just shut up. People like that are the reason gay teens especially and adults kill themselves. While you sit there and safely tell the world how in your mind it is fucked up to be attracted to consenting adults who happen to be the same gender, people are hearing it, reading it and being told it on a daily basis. Normal people. Strangers, friends, family members, co-workers--people who you know and love, and people you've never met. These people have to listen to you tell them how sick they are. Yeah, freedom of speech; you have every right to voice your opinion. But you know what? I don't care. Shut up. You're wrong, you're a bigot and you harm people in ways some never recover from.

The only victims of homosexuality are the boy, girls, men and women who are picked on, harassed, devalued, ignored, shunned, beaten, bullied, neglected, belittled, assaulted, driven to depression; suicide and self-harm, and the people flat out murdered because close-minded asshats have a problem with what someone does behind close doors. The people who did nothing to anyone. The guy who lives next door. The woman at work. The boy at the park. The girl at school. They didn't hurt a single person and they didn't choose to be who they are. They are human beings and they want to be left alone, to fall in love with another human being and to live in peace, without people seeing their sexuality as weird and harmful to their children. They want to come to their favourite video game website and not see a bunch of bigots talking about how sick they are--they get enough of it in their every-fucking-day life.

So next time you wanna tell us all how 'wrong' and 'sick' it is to be gay, or you feel like expressing your horror at a child seeing a gay couple holding hands, take a look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself this: who's creating the victims here?

Preaching to the choir, buddy.

 

[Chefodeath]

"You shouldn't make fun of people you hate because it makes them feel bad." Is probably one of the most retarded arguments ever. What this is is a "hate homosexual haters thread." Allowing the OP to ***** to people who agree with him and sway exactly 0 of the people who disagree.

 

[zelda2fanboy]

I never said you had to stop, you'll just keep being wrong about it though. Don't whine when people correct you because you're the one that chose to misuse the words.

There's also no hoodoo and guesswork involved. It's simply a definition. There is ego and ignorance involved in trying to supplant the real definitions with your own though.

I'm not whining. I just feel we should look more at people's actions than at what we think that they think. That's where the craziness comes in. I kind of forgot what I said. Trolling is tiring.

 

[targren]

. Also the idea with most fresh ingredients that are hard to get quality that will store is buy cheap, if you are spending more then $1-2 a pound on fresh fruit then you should probably buy a cheaper kind.
If you live in some odd area where you don't have a way to cook food or flour is $1lb and bananas cost $3lb then I apologize if not you really don't have an excuse.

I'm in SW Florida, so bananas and oranges are pretty cheap, and everything else is insane.