The viewpoint of an insider who became an outsider trying to become an insider (WoW related)

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Osloq

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I started playing World of Warcraft about 6 months after release and it's fair to say up until I quit I'd seen pretty much everything there was to see in the world of Azeroth. If there had been achievements then I would have let people compare themselves to me and then laugh at their puny stock of points. Then came Burning Crusade. I look back at it now and wring my hands with bitterness but at the time I was relieved that there was a huge amount of new content to immerse myself into. Of course then came the much talked about and parodied trading in of epics for mere greens. I was trading in the things that made my e-peen big enough to sling over my shoulder for something I would have bought at the AH a scant 2 weeks before just because it would match the costume I was making for myself. This all sounds like rambling but it's important for the discussion of my main point which approaches over the horizon.

Basically about 2 months before the release of WotLK I quit the game to get back into real life. I greeted my family who I hadn't seen for years and started going to the gym. Of course I now had a insatiable lust for endless gameplay which couldn't be fulfilled in the realm of single player. No, it only existed in the murky realm of the internet and MMOs were out of the question. No point giving up cigarettes and then start rolling your own and saying you'd quit because they were different. Which meant FPS gaming. Long story short I play CoD4 now. Because I'd quit though I never got the chance to try out WotLK which was always a thorn in my side. I've played everything Blizzard ever made and, even though they are probably a group of faceless corporate types who sit in big leather chairs and think of even more ways to wring money out of people, it felt like a betrayal not to purchase the latest offering from the Blizz boys. Finally we get to the meat.

This all came to head when a mate of mine, who's going over to Africa for a couple of years to work in a hospital there, gave me his copy of WotLK and 3 months of game cards that hadn't been used so they were fully valid to be used on my account. What was I going to do? Sell it off to some other chump in the alley behind 7-11? I think not. So a week ago I got blasted (inebriated) and started the long process of re-installation of my old game discs, the installation of the lastest chapter and patching. Eventually just after the clocks had struck 3 I finally got back into the game that had occupied my life for 3 years. It was at the same time so familiar and in a lot of other ways different. I knew the interface like the back of my hand and I still could probably find every secret spot in any dungeon in Azeroth and, to a lesser extent, Outland. Yet every channel was filled with talk about places and things I'd never heard of before. I didn't even know how to get to Northrend but I was too terrified of all the pro guys who I would have laughed at 6 months before because they were too noob to ask the simple question so I instead checked out the old site that I used to frequent pretty regularly. Which had been closed down. Of course the obvious solution would have been to log back on and chat with all the friends I'd made back in the day. However of my friend list 90% had quit as well and the other 10% didn't know who the hell I was when I whispered them. I felt adrift and a week later I still do. For a game that boasts how easy it is to ease into the universe I was certainly having trouble. Imagine if you left your town for a while and came back 6 months later and everything except for your house had completely changed. That's a bit exagerrated but it's hard to get your point across unless your talking to someone who's gone through this as well.

Returning has allowed me to gain some insight into the game though which is probably the benefit of the whole experience. Everything I used to get all bent out of shape over is so trivial to me now. I see people arguing about it and I just laugh and shrug it off. Who really cares if will of the forsaken is getting nerfed or whether a spell cooldown has been reduced by 5 seconds? Any person who hasn't played WoW might think those two examples could never force outcry but I have seen thousands of pages, hundreds of death threats and dozens of viruses sent over shit like this in the time I spent playing this game.

The vocabulary as well is something that if you go away from just becomes ridiculous and unnecessary. LF3M BRD, Need T, H and DPS. PST. (Looking for 3 more for Blackrock Depths. Need tank, healer and damage classes. Please send tell) There is no reason that is necessary unless you're getting attacked by a giant eagle after you just made off with their golden magical egg. It originally rose from a need to tell someone something and you didn't have the time to type out the whole message. Now we have vent and TS if you're in a guild and if you're in a party that's why you make macros so I don't have spend 10 minutes with the decryption book while I get killed by the exact same thing you were trying to warn me about.

My other major issue is just how serious and stuck up some of these people are. Now I have no leg to stand on. I spent years being an e-douche and if I could apologise to some of the people I pissed off I would. Some of these guys I see just strut around and do whatever the hell they want. A perfect example occured tonight. I'm running with a fairly new guild who are just trying to start raiding end game stuff. I was on my new main and they were on there alts and we were just doing a quick Ultgarde Keep (the starting dungeon in the new expansion). One of our members had to bounce so one of the others managed to rope in a friend who was some epicced out level 80. Now, I have to emphasise even though the dungeon is easy as what we were doing was practising our teamwork and how in sync we could be. It's probably something that's carried over from my competitive fps gaming. Practise makes perfect as they say. My role was to sheep a target right after the tank had got one of the target. You don't need to do this but it forces you to pay attention and not rely on verbal confirmation to fulfill your role. However this D-bag comes in and just starts AOEing and breaking all the CC. When I called him up on it he just told me to "STFU, noob" (Shut the F**k up, you person of inferior of skill level) and left the group. Unless you're related to the queen you've got no call being that arrogant especially if you're claim to fame is clearing out a non existent dungeon. That's just one example. There's a whole parade of walking jock straps who wouldn't give you the time of day for no good reason. Makes me glad I got out and managed to gain some insight into what a jackass I was. I still am but in a good way, I swear.

I guess I haven't really left any real question for people to respond to so I'm in fairly new territory. Thoughts, comments or simple shut the hell ups are welcome. Sorry it's so long :p

p.s. I apologise if my grammar is poor, it's something that's stuck with me and I can't live without editing by other people when I write stuff.

p.p.s. the explanation of the shorthand and terms is for people not familiar with the game at all who might be reading this
 

Sevre

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Bravo! Takes proper skill to get out of WoW, of course I did it when I got a quest of some sort asking for 10 X monster type ears. I killed 20 only to gain 6, is it possible that 14 of those monsters didn't have ears?
 

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Sevre90210 said:
Bravo! Takes proper skill to get out of WoW, of course I did it when I got a quest of some sort asking for 10 X monster type ears. I killed 20 only to gain 6, is it possible that 14 of those monsters didn't have ears?
I killed 50 Bears that had no hearts (they weren't undead). MMO's are odd like that.
I got out of it sort of after WoLK when I got mine late and people were far too ahead of me to bother catching up.
 

Sevre

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Thats what I hate about MMOs, if you aren't in that first little group of people,you just can't catch up. By the time I finished all the Guild Wars campaigns,my friends had big shiny PvP titles and even shinier top 50 guilds. Which is why from now on I'm either going to beta test it or pre order it.
 

JamminOz07

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i kinda feel sorry for dudes that have to play big men hiding behind their online avatars. it's pretty sad, but ultimately it makes your experience playing the game nowhere near as good as it should be, and that sucks.

there's always guys who are going to spoil it for others, and your story has just given me another reason to never try WOW for myself, the dicks on xbox live are bad enough!

in the end, i suppose you've got to ask yourself why are you playing this game? remembering that games are supposed to be fun, if you're not having fun, then maybe you should play something else... but you know that, you already gave it up once, you know you're not missing out on anything.

back to the gym!

Osloq said:
However this D-bag comes in and just starts AOEing and breaking all the CC.
... this is the only bit you didn't translate! ??? what's it mean?
 

stormcaller

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Congratulations you quit WoW, go you!

*insert WoW flame*


I'm sorry this is more in response to other posters overall you're right, the internet community is shit there is nothing more then that.

No a re-do of my first comment, Congratulations you quit WoW, go you because you were addicted to WoW and then you quit! Even though technically it's not an addiction and it's all dependent on your will but still go you!
 

oliveira8

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The community in WoW took a dive during S3-S4. Everyone and their moms had to have a respectable talent build/gear/arena team and the right look for your toon.

I'm also from the spam days of Looking for group. That chat was global and had its amount of spamming..but nothing compared to the trade chat which is locked to the major cities only.

JamminOz07 said:
Osloq said:
However this D-bag comes in and just starts AOEing and breaking all the CC.
... this is the only bit you didn't translate! ??? what's it mean?
It means "...However this asshole self important douchebag comes in and just starts area of effecting and breaking all the crowdcontrol."
 

The_Prophet

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I don't get you people. WoW... addicting. Christ, I have been playing it for a year now and I don't see what's addictive about it.
 

randommaster

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I don't get you people. WoW... addicting. Christ, I have been playing it for a year now and I don't see what's addictive about it.
It's addicting because you start out making definite, if slow, progress, then relationships and connections to others and your character. What makes people play it for so many hours a day is the fact that things like rare items give a sense of accomplishment that is easy to see and show off while at the same time requireing massive amounts of time to obtain said items unless you are super lucky. Basically, it's easier to see progress in WoW than life, but progress requires grinding.
: good job on gaining persective. It's like you got out of quicksand, then jumped back in while wearing a life jacket; you're not so obsesed in dealing with the world, and can enjoy it more. I have a friend who is obsesed with SSBM and SSBB, and will complain when you don't play up to his level.
 

pcuccurello

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People have been getting addicted to MMO's since there inception. I knew people who were addicted to Meridian 59 (back in the day) and if you have every seen Meridian 59 graphics now you would just shake your head.

Congrats on being able to take a step back :) It's rough.

If you are looking for more of a storyline/casual instead of end game related, you may want to try Lord of the Rings Online. It's not for everyone, and it is very "casual" friendly. Just don't expect to powerlevel you way to 60 and have all this end game content. It really is more about the journey and the storyline.

If you like PvP, you may want to try EVE Online. It can be very brutal, but it is also very deep in what you can do.
 

Osloq

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Thanks for the responses. It's interesting what a couple of people have said about it and MMO's in general. I still have a lot of friends who play WoW on different servers and it's crazy how addicted they are but don't know it. I was the same for about the first 2 years I played. If you said I was addicted I would have probably told you to f**k off.

As for other MMO's I'm not sure how good it would be to try them. I can handle WoW because I've experienced a lot of the content before albeit in a different setting. I don't think that mastery would cross over to EVE online or Lord of the Rings online, unfortunately, and I'd be right back where I was 6 months ago.

Lol, I knew right after I posted this that I should have translated that AOE bit but I thought I might get away with it. AOE stands for area of effect which is used against groups of enemies. CC is crowd control e.g. some big guy with a sword is about to beat on the guy healing so you turn him into a sheep. D-bag is douche bag. :p
 

Erana

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A little late, but welcome to the Escapist.

And you've got a point. By being outside the game, you realise how much being in it is so meta.
 

JamminOz07

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oliveira8 said:
The community in WoW took a dive during S3-S4. Everyone and their moms had to have a respectable talent build/gear/arena team and the right look for your toon.

I'm also from the spam days of Looking for group. That chat was global and had its amount of spamming..but nothing compared to the trade chat which is locked to the major cities only.

JamminOz07 said:
Osloq said:
However this D-bag comes in and just starts AOEing and breaking all the CC.
... this is the only bit you didn't translate! ??? what's it mean?
It means "...However this asshole self important douchebag comes in and just starts area of effecting and breaking all the crowdcontrol."
thanks heaps for clearing that up! **rolls eyes** haha lol :)
 

Flour

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Everybody playing WoW should be forced to stop for a month or two, just to realise big of an idiots some of them are/were.

I played for nearly 8 months, stopped, played the BC demo, stopped, and I currently started playing again. I'm annoyed by people that are the way I used to be. I used to have the best possible talent spec, trying to maximize my damage, now I just add talents that would help me and I'm enjoying the game more.

Sevre90210 said:
Warcraft 3 had some kick ass cinematics too.
Try finding a place for the WoW cinematics in high quality.(if you have the time and download limit/speed, downloading the game to see them works too)
blizzard is one of the few companies that would make a great CG movie.

Sevre90210 said:
Bravo! Takes proper skill to get out of WoW, of course I did it when I got a quest of some sort asking for 10 X monster type ears. I killed 20 only to gain 6, is it possible that 14 of those monsters didn't have ears?
Normal in almost every online RPG. It does get silly when you're required to get 10 raptor skulls, or 15 lion paws(of which only one drops per lion) It's not as silly as being able to fail skinning an animal, or picking a plant multiple times and still get the normal amount of resources though.
 

Nomad

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Warcraft 1-3 were better games but they never got any mainstream spotlight.
Depends on your definition of mainstream spotlight, I guess, but I'd say they did. Warcraft I was seen by many as a great innovation and standard-setter for the new generation of RTS games, and WC2 won game of the year and was one of the first RTS games to gain a (very) large online following, including gaming leagues and all that. Warcraft III is still incredibly popular, I know at least as many people who play WC3 as people who play WoW.

Still, the pattern is that the newer the warcraft-game, the more famous it's gotten. WC1, WC2, WC3 and WoW have steadily increased in popularity over their predecessors.

As for better games... WC1 was awful (in my eyes), WC2 was great and WC3 was unbalanced and poor for strategy playing. WoW... I haven't tried it, so I won't bash it too much, but based on what I've seen and heard it wouldn't be my kind of game. Not to mention that you have to pay multiple times for it. Seriously, if I buy a game, I expect to be free to play it as much as I want without having to pay a monthly fee for it on top of that. Either they give me the copy of the game for free and charge me monthly for using it, or they charge me for the game and let me play it for free. Doing both is just greedy, and ensures I'll never even give it a chance.

Now! To the on-topic part.
It's always great when someone gets a bit of perspective and realizes he's been acting badly. I still don't buy the whole addiction-thing, though. There are no external substances being inserted into your body and creating a chemical craving for that substance in a certain timeframe, and therefore it's not an addiction. It's just a matter of you WANTING to play, since you think it's fun. Like someone said, it's all in your head. It's your choice whether or not you play it.
 

Scarecrow38

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Well I am pretty new to world of warcraft (started playing last november) and I don't get some stuff about it.

Elitism seems to be the basis of the game.. as does acting like a 5 year old. By virtue of being pretty new I have zero chance of being picked for the level 80 dungeons or raids.

People think English is a thing of the past.. and that you are only allowed 20 characters per post. (It gets annoying as hell trying to remember all the instance abbreviations).

But the thing that astounds me most of all is how much time people are willing to pour into this. A friend would spend 2 hours a day for weeks grinding reputation with a faction just so he could get an enchant for his shoulders or something. Which I suppose comes back to the elitism thing.. a few dps or stamina could be the difference between you being picked and the blood elf paladin.

Although I've poured hours into it.. when I look at it properly I realise just how pointless it is. I made a death knight which is now level 70. I asked myself' why am I killing dragons for scales?' just to get to 80.. and that was because I could then do raids and high level instances... but it just seems pointless. No one would pick a death knight with basic level 80 gear. So I havent really played since then because it seems futile. i'm pouring hours of killing dragons for some eventual possible fun.. when I could immediately crack open the cod4 and imemdiately get a good score with an m4 and a deagle.. or I could play tf2 and sap sentries and stab snipers.

I just don't see how wow's grinding is so much more fun then a regular game or even a regular rpg (and calling wow an rpg is very very rich in my opinion.. I've seen cs servers with more rp than most wow players). I don't see the addictive side to it.

I can't see any obvious points in this rant that someone has an answer too but I'm just glad I got it off my chest. I guess what I tried to say is 'what's the big deal about it.. and why should I grind to 80 when theres no certainty that ill get to raid and dungeonise anyway?'