The Walking Dead season finale (Spoilers)

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Mossberg Shotty

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The final episode of the third season of The Walking Dead aired tonight.
It was a good episode, and a decent way to cap the season. Keep in mind that this will probably be very spoiler-heavy, so don't read on if you haven't seen it yet.

So, what does everyone think? Do you agree with some of the things that happened? Were you glad to see some characters go? (I was) Did you feel like it should've had a bit more to it, considering it was a season finale?

Please discuss.

Also, Happy Easter everybody.
 

Comrade Richard

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Frankly I was disappointed with how the season ended given that they've been building up to the prison battle for the entire second half of Season 3 only for it to be short and not really all that epic. I know the prison fight pretty much ended up with everyone dead in the graphic novels but seriously, this was the best they could do? On top of that is the fact that - instead of migrating to what is essentially an abandoned, heavily fortified, and more sustainable town (Woodbury) everyone goes to the prison. Which strikes me as monumentally stupid. This is also purely my opinion but Carl is getting into the unlikeable territory again - he's gone from being an annoying load, to a more mature kid who adapted to the setting, to a creepy sociopath who's annoying - so he started low, got up, then fell down a hill again in terms of character.

No offense but I wish Rick had chewed him out or something.

Andrea's dead and I really didn't care, so my accusations of sociopathy are a tad hypocritical, but I'm sure i'm not the only one who got sick of her character being all over the freaking place.
 

Remus

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The Gov isn't dead yet. I foresee him returning in the future. Please don't say if he does in the comics as I haven't read them etc etc. The bit with Carl shooting the asthmatic is going to be talked about for some time. IMO, it was the picture of anti-terrorist tactics in play. The other kid was slowly creeping toward Carl, weapon still in hand. If I were in that situation and having seen examples of similar motions being used to disarm an opponent, I would not let an enemy combatant get that close. It's drop the weapon, kick it to me, stay 10ft away, any variation poses a direct threat. So I cheered when Carl fired. Andrea's death I sorta expected, either that or Tyreese would pop in to save the day. That didn't happen of course and Andrea got bit. It's tragic that she was unable to reunite and reconcile for spending so long in Woodbury but somebody had to die beyond the herd of lambs the Gov slaughtered.
 

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Remus said:
The other kid was slowly creeping toward Carl, weapon still in hand. If I were in that situation and having seen examples of similar motions being used to disarm an opponent, I would not let an enemy combatant get that close. It's drop the weapon, kick it to me, stay 10ft away, any variation poses a direct threat. So I cheered when Carl fired.
As correct as you probably are, I get the feeling that it wasn't the desired intention. You saw the kid sneaking in to disarm Carl - I saw bad stage direction for the sake of giving Carl a reason to shoot.

Anyways, as per typical, I was extremely disappointed in the material of the finale. This has something to do with about a 3rd of the season being stall-tactics to prolong the series life (it's sad that even though the season was 12 episodes I can only remember 4 or 5 of them beyond a single scene) and the conclusion not justifying those stall tactics by a longshot. The conflict was left unresolved, and someone died, again. I'm beginning to expect that every 3-4 episodes. It wasn't bad, but... c'mon. I legitimately think that the midseason was more satisfying than the finale. More stuff happened, and it was a lot deeper than 5 minutes of a prison invasion that served absolutely no purpose (4/5ths of the scene could have been completely cut out with very little consequence).

Still, as there are absolutely no frigging alternatives in the genre at the moment (which is funny, as it wouldn't be too hard to write something better), they can expect my audience for season 4.

side note, but I really hope that some bot somewhere figures out how to crack the capitchas that are actually ads. It's really fucking insulting to me that I have to answer an ad's question to post. Oh well... at least when a product asks me to describe it I won't get denied because I put "annoying."
 

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I would like to start with a hearty "Fuck you" to Glen Mazzara for not only making Andrea somehow even stupider than she's been all season, but also preventing her from becoming a good character again under a competent showrunner by giving her a completely meaningless death.

The prison trap was kind of clever, I kind of liked that they ended up not killing the Governor for now, and Carl did kind of have his first interesting character moment in three years, but the sheer stupidity of Andrea's "storyline" overshadowed the decent bits. And there were no real good bits.

So long, Mazzara. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
 

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Andrea is finally dead! Not that I particularly wanted her to die, but someone that stupid should not have survived as long as she had.

I was surprised the Governor survived. Wonder if he'll find some other group to take control of and mount another assault next season. David Morrissey was hinting at redemption in the behind the scenes video though so he might come back as a good-ish guy instead. Maybe the spectacular failure that was the prison assault would be eye opening for him?
 

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As always the caliber of people who survived the apocalypse is so incredibly low it's astounding. You would think there would be way more people who, you know, weren't idiots, but nope.

Finally the main survivors have a semi-competent plan for once, and it still completely fails to do anything really. Rick, Daryl, Michonne and Carol sneak in behind them and flash bang and set off alarms and then instead of attacking them in the confusion they fire 0 shots as far as I can tell or at least they hit nothing. 4 or 5 zombies stumble in and are immediately gunned down. Forcing the townies to run out of the prison directly into the perfect defilade and enfilade they have set up, with supreme positioning and automatic weapons. And then they fail to hit anyone, they don't even wing a single person. As far as I can tell the only person who died at all was the kid Carl shot while surrendering. It's a complete fail ambush. And they could easily have set up two more people in those positions if all they were going to do with the first ambush was just set off alarms and flash bangs, that's a two man job.

and hey remember when they found a freaking box full of grenades?


Pro tip its not difficult to set up a grenade trip wire right on that exit they were leaving through. Or hell Maggie and Glen could have just tossed them down all over the place. The second they started retreating through that door.

And remember that 50 caliber machinegun that your enemies left in the middle of the yard? why not have someone circle around and sit on that thing and blast the hell out of them when they come out. 50 caliber bullets will tear people to pieces in no time flat.

Literally the only reason their plan was any success whatsoever was because they hurt the governors feelings and made him go batshit crazy. Relying on your opponent being as big a petulant child as you are incompetent is not the hallmark of a successful strategy.

Also Andrea is an even bigger idiot than anyone else in that series. This guy is bleeding out and she's trying to have a conversations about her intentions rather than working as quickly as she possibly can to get herself out. She can have the conversation if she want's but good god at least be trying to get free at the same time.

Anyways, Carl Grimes for villain in season 4.
 

The Selkie

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Glad I'm not the only person who thought the ambush was a complete shambles. Initially I assumed they were shooting to scare them off since they did such a poor job, but the decision to go to Woodbury to kill everyone left ruins that idea. Basically, after the flashbangs went off everyone had to charge out a single door which two people with automatic rifles were watching (knowing they had to use that door) and yet not a single kill. No one bothered to take the .50 cal that the Governor just decided to leave undefended and no one made any effort to incapacitate the vehicles. If the .50 cal hadn't conveniently jammed then Maggie and Glen would be dead with the other three trapped inside and massively outnumbered.
 

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Strange, I'd mused that Rick and Co were going to take over Woodbury so we could have later comic plot about Rick being leader of a larger community. I didn't expect them to come to the prison. I guess it's visually a more interesting set and they want to get their worth out of it.

From an in-universe explanation, the prison is likely more defensible with a tiny number of people as the governor killed most the defendors of Woodbury.
 

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I actually enjoyed it, as anticlimactic as parts of it were. The Governor was ridiculously scary, Milton got a chance at redemption, Andrea didn't take anyone else down with her...

And then there was this:

 

hazabaza1

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Thank fucking christ Andrea finally kicked it. Took her time.
But hold up guys, I don't know if the Govenor is EEEEEEEEVIL enough yet! Make him do more EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL things. I know he's the bad guy, but seriously.
At least it's not as bad as in the comics.

Yes, that is a fucking tank he's standing on.

I imagine the next season will finally get to either a proper assault on the prison or on Woodbury, but if the assault takes more than an episode or 2 it'll get dull really quick, but I can see it being anticlimactic if it ends really quickly.
Nice to see Tyree coming along now, kind of a surprisingly time really considering that he joined the group after they left the first camp in the comics.

Overall, eh. It was an alright episode. About the same as all the others really, nothing outstanding but worth watching I guess.
 

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I didn't care for Andrea death due to her stupid stuff she did in season 3 (stayed with the Governor and still didn't have doubt against him when she enter his room of severed heads and his walker daughter).

While I think Carl is justify for his action (and bring up a good point over the repercusion for sparing the enemy life) but he's walking on a cold road if he continue to lose his empathy/ compassion to others.

While the battle was lackluster but it made sense for the outcome. I mean those people were in comfort hebind those walls while the henchmen did all the guarding and scavaging while Rick group had to venture out on a daily basis.

Why did they moved the reamining Woodbury to the prison? Sure while the prison is more fortify but it's losing it's strength over the last few attacked and since the Governor didn't came back, they could of ambush him that is if he does return to Woodbury. Also they said the supplies were low but I guessing they will take the supplies in Woodbury instead.

Those remaining Woodbury resident as sooo going to be expendable now they had join Rick group!

Overall it has been a good season and I have no idea what will happen in season 4 now given to how much it is different from the comicbook (I'm not saying it's a bad thign as I only know a summary of the atory arc).
 

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Why does everyone seem to have a problem killing the obviously crazy person? That's what's getting me this whole season. Only one I think would of done it was Merle. I didn't care that Andrea died. She was a dumb ***** and I'm surprised she survived this long.
 

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Yeah the episode was a tad shocking given that it seemed to be building to the climatic Rick Vs Gov / Woodbury Vs Prison ending. However looking on it now it is obvious that what we expected, i.e what we have heard from the comic book couldn't really have happened here. The comic book battle is meant to be some epic multi kill war yet what we had here was

Woodbury, tool'd to the nines with loads of folk but most of them being regular sort of fellows just following the Gov due to fear generated propoganda.

The prison more hard bitten fairly well tool'd up but nowhere near enough of them to take on the firepower that came through the gate, certainly not in a face to face combat situation.

What's happened now is the Gov can go away, no doubt regroup with a bunch of folk who are a little more on the same mental batshit wavelength as he is and then come back to face the traitors that are now walled up in their prison, it has potential for a more epic battle, now you could say that they could have covered this scenario in this season alone perhaps, the season did have some down time episodes but having the Gov lose, go off regroup and then come back, perhaps not.

They will no doubt do what they did with the Season 2 and 3 gap. Season 4 will be set a few months after the events of Season 3.

Some thoughts though.

The prison group not grabbing the .50 cal or disabling the vehicles. Remember the place still has walkers roaming around, anyone at the .50 cal or vehicles would have been instant walker bait and given that their plan worked on surprise the last thing they needed was for those people to be firing weapons while trying to fend off walkers.

The prison plan was not clear, until after the event. The prison group didn't know what was coming for them other than they had more people and more fire power. It is only when the Woodbury group gets spooked and the majority of them do a runner does it become clear what the objective was. Rick says 'we did it we drove them out'. The plan changes when Michonne says 'we should go after them' agreed with by Daryl saying 'we should finish it' then Maggie chimes in 'it is finished did you see them high tail it out of here' only at THAT point does it become clear to the prison folk that they were dealing with a bunch of scared folk who were only their because their 'leader' had scared them to the point that they felt they had no option.

Carl, well bad ass and to be honest the road he is going down is a little delayed version of the one that the rest of the group went down, remember a few episodes before hand were Michonne, Carl and Rick just left the hitch hiker to get munched on by walkers and then to add insult to injury took the dead guys backpack on the return journey. H'es just following the road his dad has liad down for him, plus I am with Carl on that one it was a justified kill the guy was slowly reaching towards Carl despite being told to put the weapon down. The only issue is perhaps the lack of emotion he showed.

Andrea, yeah dumb, but still kinda sad also shocking given that in the comic she is actually one of the few main characters that is still alive. Why it took so long for her to do anything, well I think the show was trying to portrait two things here

1). That she just wanted to settle down after ALL the crap she had been through, it is referenced many times through out the series and re emphasised in this episode when she says more than once she just didn't want anyone else to die.

2). That despite the mad, the Gov is clearly someone who was able to polarise folk and bend them to his will, even when they should have been able to see that he was clearly barking.
 

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The only part that I liked was that the episode opened it up for Rick and Tyreese to finally become the BFFs they're meant to be.

I was okay with Andrea dying and I actually didn't have a problem with her *attempted* contributions throughout season 3. I get that she was just trying to be an ambassador to the two sides and get their humanity to prevail in the senseless conflict between the uninfected. To me, it was fitting that between Rick, the Governor and Andrea, the most human of the three died for trying to be just that.
 

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Laughing Man said:
The prison group not grabbing the .50 cal or disabling the vehicles. Remember the place still has walkers roaming around, anyone at the .50 cal or vehicles would have been instant walker bait and given that their plan worked on surprise the last thing they needed was for those people to be firing weapons while trying to fend off walkers.

The prison plan was not clear, until after the event. The prison group didn't know what was coming for them other than they had more people and more fire power.
As soon as the Governor pulled in they killed every single walker. Even if a handful survived, there's no reason someone couldn't have defended themselves with an axe or something silent while manning the gun.

The plan wasn't clear to us, but the group definitely knew what they were doing. They lured them into the tombs, scared them off then cut them off at a choke point. The problem is that everyone seems to have missed. The group all agreed that the Governor wouldn't leave them alone, so it was kill them all or leave. Obviously they chose to kill them.

It strikes me as odd that the group agree they can't successfully attack Woodbury earlier, but after the failed attack they decide that three of them can then take it (despite killing no one). It was a good episode, but the attack on the prison could have been handled a lot better.
 

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I'm rather bewildered. This sure isn't what I expected from the end of a season. Everything seems to have just deflated. It seems strange that Woodbury just up and went to the prison(but every able bodied person was in the governors army, so that's a massive burden the gangs taken on.
 

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Remus said:
The Gov isn't dead yet. I foresee him returning in the future. Please don't say if he does in the comics as I haven't read them etc etc.
I'll just say this. The story in the show has diverged so much (basically the entire season has played out differently, outside the apperance of the Prison and the Gov (whom himself was quite different for a while),) and how the prison showdown ended in the comic was way different. So honestly, even after reading 99% of the comic, I couldn't tell you what happens.
 

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i really liked this season , the finale was a bit anti climactic i guess, but im down with how it played out given the general themes of the series and particularly Rick's arc , dont think it would of scanned to have this group massacre the woodbury guys its only the guv thats a bad guy after all.