If you want to ascribe to that interpretation, go for it. I never got that sense in the early seasons that he was an unfailing hero.BloatedGuppy said:
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The comics are WAAAAAAAAAAAAY better.
Every time I try and watch the show I get irritated about little differences. Some changes are good (I really liked the storyline with Morgan and Duane's wife/mother), but most just slow everything down and make everyone more generic.
Mind you I've been reading that comic ever since volume two came out, so I may be biased, but at the same time I've been excited for a TV show version ever since they were first in talks for it so while I may be a purist of the comic, I feel like I was giving it an excited chance that it just let down.
I think the only reason this show is so popular is because everyone is now a zombie lover, but they don't have the background that the more hardcore zombie fans have. They all just hopped on after they saw Zombieland and played Call of Duty World at War, and as such have no idea the high standards Romero set for the genre when he crafted it (And there really not even that high, just high for the horror genre, which is generally pulp).
Basically: If you don't like the show, but dig the characters: Go read the comics!!!
Every time I try and watch the show I get irritated about little differences. Some changes are good (I really liked the storyline with Morgan and Duane's wife/mother), but most just slow everything down and make everyone more generic.
Mind you I've been reading that comic ever since volume two came out, so I may be biased, but at the same time I've been excited for a TV show version ever since they were first in talks for it so while I may be a purist of the comic, I feel like I was giving it an excited chance that it just let down.
I think the only reason this show is so popular is because everyone is now a zombie lover, but they don't have the background that the more hardcore zombie fans have. They all just hopped on after they saw Zombieland and played Call of Duty World at War, and as such have no idea the high standards Romero set for the genre when he crafted it (And there really not even that high, just high for the horror genre, which is generally pulp).
Basically: If you don't like the show, but dig the characters: Go read the comics!!!
Morally pure, incorruptible, dead aim with a pistol (mind you that's spread to everyone now), instantly appointed leader...he was just a dull, dull character. But then, I tend to hate black/white characters.crazyrabbits said:
BBboy20 said:
You're not that bad- Lori got written into a corner, and the character suffered. She was never the action hero, she was supposed to be an emotional character that gave Rick something to fight for, while balancing his crazy do-goodery (and later do-badery). However, they delayed the fight between Rick and Shane for so long, building it up episode after episode with no climax in sight, that she just became a broken record. She might have done better this season, now that Rick is moving (emotionally) again, but c'est la vie.
T-Dog did fail at spotting the one that bit him, but fighting the two walkers was not going "down like a *****"; he tackled them and held them back from the door while they ripped into him to let Carol escape. If he had tried to punch them, he probably wouldn't have done it (he can't punch through a skull), and one might have slipped past him and got Carol. I'm just wondering why he and Carol didn't have a melee weapon between them; you'd think they would go everywhere armed, especially when handling Walkers.
T-Dog did fail at spotting the one that bit him, but fighting the two walkers was not going "down like a *****"; he tackled them and held them back from the door while they ripped into him to let Carol escape. If he had tried to punch them, he probably wouldn't have done it (he can't punch through a skull), and one might have slipped past him and got Carol. I'm just wondering why he and Carol didn't have a melee weapon between them; you'd think they would go everywhere armed, especially when handling Walkers.
The end and beginning of season 2 was pretty good. To me it just seems like they have stretched it out. From people who have read the comic they pretty much have said the same thing.IndomitableSam said:
There can only be one token black guy.j
On a more serious note, ya this was probably my favorite episode of the series so far. That flash back moment for Carl really hit home for me. Even though I didn't like Lori, seeing Carl come to the realization of what he must do made me shed a few tears. He's actually turning into one of my favorite characters.
On a more serious note, ya this was probably my favorite episode of the series so far. That flash back moment for Carl really hit home for me. Even though I didn't like Lori, seeing Carl come to the realization of what he must do made me shed a few tears. He's actually turning into one of my favorite characters.
I always felt Rick's staunch adherence to his moral code was as much a hindrance to him as it was an aid. There were times when he could have compromised and probably, in the long run, made things better for himself and others. But he ended up alienating people and causing conflict in the name of sticking to his guns and trying to take the high road.
Had he been written as a true 'Mary Sue' (which is a term I've come to dislike, as it's so often thrown around as a placeholder for 'character I don't like'), he'd have his cake and get to eat it, too. He'd stay up on his high horse and everything would always work out right for him. That's definitely not the case, almost from the beginning.
All that being said, I'm very much enjoying season 3 (as much as one can enjoy grueling, zombie-filled misery) and I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought S2 really drug on. Knowing what I know now about the budget, it makes a lot more sense.
Had he been written as a true 'Mary Sue' (which is a term I've come to dislike, as it's so often thrown around as a placeholder for 'character I don't like'), he'd have his cake and get to eat it, too. He'd stay up on his high horse and everything would always work out right for him. That's definitely not the case, almost from the beginning.
All that being said, I'm very much enjoying season 3 (as much as one can enjoy grueling, zombie-filled misery) and I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought S2 really drug on. Knowing what I know now about the budget, it makes a lot more sense.
Where did the fascination for a zombie apocalypse come from? There always have been movies, games and books about it, but recently they have sky-rocketed in number.
Personally, I think zombie apocalypses are overrated. Seen one, seen them all. The Walking Dead is no exception. It is just one slow moving (pun intended) cliche. Dropped it after 1 season.
Personally, I think zombie apocalypses are overrated. Seen one, seen them all. The Walking Dead is no exception. It is just one slow moving (pun intended) cliche. Dropped it after 1 season.
The show is still too close storywise to the comics, and as a reader of them I confess to becoming a little bored of the show.
I have the feeling that by the time they make the show its own entity, I would have stopped watching.
I have the feeling that by the time they make the show its own entity, I would have stopped watching.
Whoa whoa whoa
...YAAAAAAAY! /o/
I'm excited to find out how! Damn the UK having to wait even longer. D:
I'm still reeling over
Lori dies?!?!?
...YAAAAAAAY! /o/
I'm excited to find out how! Damn the UK having to wait even longer. D:
I'm still reeling over
Meryl (Murl?) being alive. D: I don't like him. :<
I liked Rick a lot more in the beginning, but it's great to see how much he (and the others) have developed as characters. Of course he changed, knowing his wife was fucking his best mate and then
I think I had a single tear watching that episode, pretty powerful stuff. Fantastic acting from Andrew Lincoln.
Carl still irritates me a little as does Andrea :/ I want to see more about Michonne too.
Also, DON'T EAT SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE AT THE SAME TIME AS WATCHING!
Ohh 1927976th edit: OP, there wasn't loads of zombies in season 2 because the budget was seriously slashed so they couldn't afford to put as many zombies in which is why it took place on the farm. They had to work on developing the characters instead.
Shane dying. I think there was an article on Cracked that pointed out Shane's death meant Rick had to fight his own bad side rather than having Shane there as a devil on his shoulder.
I think I had a single tear watching that episode, pretty powerful stuff. Fantastic acting from Andrew Lincoln.
Carl still irritates me a little as does Andrea :/ I want to see more about Michonne too.
I liked the way T-dog went out, saving someone else. He got better as a character whereas I think Carol hasn't really grown much on me at all :/
Lori sucks. Who the fuck has unprotected sex with two different guys in a zombie apocalypse? Getting pregnant makes everything 100 times worse!
Lori sucks. Who the fuck has unprotected sex with two different guys in a zombie apocalypse? Getting pregnant makes everything 100 times worse!
Also, DON'T EAT SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE AT THE SAME TIME AS WATCHING!
Ohh 1927976th edit: OP, there wasn't loads of zombies in season 2 because the budget was seriously slashed so they couldn't afford to put as many zombies in which is why it took place on the farm. They had to work on developing the characters instead.
I had just finish watching it and I starting to agreed with my mate with one of the problems I'm having with the show...
The walkers are ninja!!! Seriously how the hell can you not see them until they are within walking distances??? Surely we all know how far the sound of moanings travel and it is not within walking distance!!
This happend before like in the first episode Rick on the horse encounter a horde when he turn around the street and a few episodes ago in one of the cell block with they turn the corner.
Other than that it was an powerful episode.
I felt sad that T-Dog bit the dust and seeing what lefts on him near the end. I also can't help to think they had pretty much replace the black character with another character althought he seen more tougher (there can be only one!)
Sure I haven't liked Lori due to her two face personality in season 2 but her death scene with Carl was rather sad.
This happend before like in the first episode Rick on the horse encounter a horde when he turn around the street and a few episodes ago in one of the cell block with they turn the corner.
Other than that it was an powerful episode.
I felt sad that T-Dog bit the dust and seeing what lefts on him near the end. I also can't help to think they had pretty much replace the black character with another character althought he seen more tougher (there can be only one!)
Sure I haven't liked Lori due to her two face personality in season 2 but her death scene with Carl was rather sad.
One huge complaint I have about TWD is the zombies themselves. The actors do a crappy job of portraying people who died and came back to life. They move way too fast and loose (what about rigor mortis?) and they sound like felines hacking up hairballs. How is it nobody sees or hears them until a mob mysteriously appears behind the entire cast? But hey, they only show up for a full minute out of the hour the show airs. :I
I still have no idea how you take a character like comic-Andrea and get a character like TV-Andrea. Sad to hear she hasn't improved much.
Few things in my mind as I watched the episode..
I didn't like Lori. But I couldn't cheer at her final moment. It was pretty gripping.
They decide to develop T-bone's character a little bit before he was killed off. It was unexpected for me. But at least T-bone is a stupid name.
At least Glenn didn't die. Hope he never dies.
I didn't like Lori. But I couldn't cheer at her final moment. It was pretty gripping.
They decide to develop T-bone's character a little bit before he was killed off. It was unexpected for me. But at least T-bone is a stupid name.
At least Glenn didn't die. Hope he never dies.
I don't complain about the zombies acting, but it is really weird that no one notices them until is too late. They aren't stealthy creatures, yet a pack of them can approach someone from behind, and they just realize when is too late!GistoftheFist said:
It happened more than once in the show.
Gah, Andrea still lives! Nothing can make up for that!
I kinda liked T-Dog. He just needed more fleshing-out.
I kinda liked T-Dog. He just needed more fleshing-out.
My main problem with the show is that almost everyone on the show has terrible survival instincts. I would expect people surviving a zombie apocalypse to be a lot more capable and a lot less willing to listen to a bunch of really dumb plans by their defacto leader.
And the governor is a complete idiot. He risked getting shot for a bunch of equipment that he could have pretty easily had anyways by saying 'hey I have an awesome settlement want to come hang?' If they are so defunct on supplies that they have to murder people to get new supplies, then they are pretty fucked in the long term anyways. And if he is just buying time to get agriculture set up, you know what would help with setting up that agriculture? Another dozen strong and capable males, with military and survival training who have spent large portions of their lives being indoctrinated into a system where they obey orders of people in leadership positions. There's plenty of ways the writers could have shown him to be something of an evil dictator hiding behind a facade of benevolence; ways that wouldn't involve also making him out to be a moron who thinks hes playing DayZ.
And please note, I'm not saying murdering other people is never part of a viable survival strategy in an apocalypse. Shane had perfectly good reasons for doing what he did to that EMT hunter guy. I'm just saying that none of those reasons apply to someone who has a secured settlement with over a hundred people. You can't sustain a settlement by murdering people for resources, eventually you are going to run out. You can however sustain a settlement by producing things for yourself, and production is easier the more people you have working.
And the governor is a complete idiot. He risked getting shot for a bunch of equipment that he could have pretty easily had anyways by saying 'hey I have an awesome settlement want to come hang?' If they are so defunct on supplies that they have to murder people to get new supplies, then they are pretty fucked in the long term anyways. And if he is just buying time to get agriculture set up, you know what would help with setting up that agriculture? Another dozen strong and capable males, with military and survival training who have spent large portions of their lives being indoctrinated into a system where they obey orders of people in leadership positions. There's plenty of ways the writers could have shown him to be something of an evil dictator hiding behind a facade of benevolence; ways that wouldn't involve also making him out to be a moron who thinks hes playing DayZ.
And please note, I'm not saying murdering other people is never part of a viable survival strategy in an apocalypse. Shane had perfectly good reasons for doing what he did to that EMT hunter guy. I'm just saying that none of those reasons apply to someone who has a secured settlement with over a hundred people. You can't sustain a settlement by murdering people for resources, eventually you are going to run out. You can however sustain a settlement by producing things for yourself, and production is easier the more people you have working.
I don't really think it was ever a bad show. As far as I'm concerned it got the one thing right that a zombie drama need to get right. The conflict is not the zombies, the conflict is the people who survive the zombie apocalypse. Zombies are just an obstacle.BloatedGuppy said:
I was disappointed shane died. I really liked him as character, because they needed someone like him to be in the show. However, now, we see Rick becoming more and more like Shane...which is GREAT in so many ways.
AMC makes god awful women characters in many of their productions so Lori dying was a plus. I don't care about T-dawg so thats an eh/meh. It can only get better form here, and it isn't LOST.. so I'd say we're in a good direction right?