The Walking Dead

[Mike Laserbeam]

I can't wait till the show catches up to the comics.

It literally never will.
It would probably have to last until at least a 7th series to get to where the comics are now, and of course by then there'll be even more of the comics.

Tv series' usually just don't last that long without being axed

 

[Loonyyy]

I saw it from a different point of view and came to a similar conclusion

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Rick tried applying his old standards and morality to the new world, and as a result, found that he was constantly betrayed and screwed over by circumstance. Rick is now sweaty and desperate and amoral and awesome.

Lori sucked (Yeah, she came off as an annoying entitled cow no matter what. Her death was incredibly stupid (Her characters decisions made no sense there at all) but at least she's gone now). Lori is now dead. (Props to Andrew Lincoln for his acting at the end of the episode, very powerful).

T-Dog was underdeveloped, and seemed to be meant to be heading for something that never happened, frustratingly, since his character was then halfway between the fleshed out characters and the background ones. T-Dog is now dead, and died a hero, which I guess substitutes for him coming to nothing.

Carl was an annoying kid (I think a lot of the scorn heaped on him comes from not understanding small children that much). Carl has had to grow up and take responsibility, and is now hardcore.

Andrea was stupid, and then became stupid and pointlessly antagonistic (Like Shane, but without the sociopathic excuse). Andrea is now back to stupid.

I got annoyed during the second series where they'd constantly get stuck on stupid issues caused by characters being pointlessly antagonistic. Hershel wanting to keep the walkers was stupid. They couldn't survive even if they were cured.

Shane wanting to antagonise Hershel was stupid, Rick negotiating with Hershel was stupid.

Hershel not wanting them on his farm was stupid, and linked back to his other stupid.

I think they've done a good job at tightening up the pacing issues the second season had, and putting more of a clear arc in (Especially if you're ahead in the comics), while previous seasons didn't have good pacing, or a clear arc. If you look at the comics, I think it's because the source material up to the prison is mostly a travelogue of sorts, and most of what they focussed the series on was original, but trying to fit the canon.

The character focus has been what I always liked, and they've managed to patch up the characters who were annoying. Carl was annoying for me because he was only ever the cause of problems, he rarely got any characterisation. Lori was annoying because she took herself to be a leader with Rick, but instead backstabbed and exploited everyone. Rick I've always liked, and I like his overall descent into re-evaluating his moral standpoint.

I'd strongly disagree to anyone who'd call Rick a Mary Sue. He's an archetype of the conservative father figure, like Liam Neeson's Brian in Taken. However, Rick is a deconstruction of that. His straight-edge approach and his staunch opinions on morality cause problems when his views aren't pragmatic, his refusal to be pragmatic with threats (He gives Shane wayy too many chances. Watch Season 2, and count how many times Shane either tries to kill him or says he'd like to, and how often Rick lets him off. It's insane.), like Shane or the bandits. Over the course of the series, he reevaluates, killing Shane and refusing to trust the prisoners, but his group is too small to cover the prison, and as a result, the prison gets invaded and he loses his wife.

 

[Yeager942]

I can't wait till the show catches up to the comics.

It literally never will.
It would probably have to last until at least a 7th series to get to where the comics are now, and of course by then there'll be even more of the comics.

Tv series' usually just don't last that long without being axed

Not if they compress that huge part where Rick and Carl are on the road together with Abraham. I'd give them 2 seasons till they reach Alexandria-Safe Zone

 

[KoudelkaMorgan]

I just think its awesome that they are finally doing both of the things I have always thought would be obvious in that world. Take over a prison, and/or head to the coast and get a boat/island.

Lori keeping the baby, which stands almost no chance of survival even if they do manage to get it food, medicine, immunization etc. was the hight of stupidity. Its probably Shane's, and its crying, pissing and shitting, as well as its inevitable "doing something stupid and getting someone killed for it because I don't know any better yet" kid stuff is a liability.

How about you wait until you aren't living day to day survival, before you choose to stop being a productive member of the group for a few months and then have another mouth to feed forever afterwards? You can always fuck some more when and if there is an end to the hell on earth, mkay?

Not to mention that if repopulation is even remotely on your to do list of victory/hope/whatever it is you are justifying your stupid decision is, having a female that has proven capable of conceiving multiple children and is already of age is worth more than a fetus that might be male.

Maggie, Carol, and Maggie's sister are gonna have a long way to go ahead of them. Oh and everyone already being pre-zombie kinda makes for fun pregnancies what with a stillbirth eating its way out of you and all.

T was never developed at all as a character, we don't even know his fucking name. In season 2 I actually forgot he existed because he wasn't in like half the episodes. Carl has come to annoy me slightly less than Henry on Once Upon a Time, so there is that at least.

Rick crying like a little girl was a bit much. Not that he shouldn't have been crying, but it went JUST over the line of "seeing a hard man brought to tears" to "seeing an actor devolve into overblown hysterics"

I mean Carl manned up, but Rick was hard to watch for all the wrong reasons.

 

[Zyst]

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♫♫Joy to the world that ***** is dead.♫♫

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♫♫Let the earth receive that *****; Let every episode be rid of her, and fans and heaven sing, and fans and heaven sing...♫♫

 

[OneOfTheMichael's]

Read the book.
it's just wayyy better.
I didn't really care for any people on the show because I almost knew when who was getting killed after reading the books
Except for dale. They killed that guy off a whole lot sooner.

 

[Zyst]

Read the book.
it's just wayyy better.
I didn't really care for any people on the show because I almost knew when who was getting killed after reading the books
Except for dale. They killed that guy off a whole lot sooner.

You mean the comics? I've been reading them like really really slowly (Amazed at how fast they go, or being realistic how slow the show goes) and I find myself being confused a lot, a lot of characters alive that never existed on the show, a lot of people dying a lot earlier, some archs being skipped through completely (Pretty much fillers by the writers in other words) but overall I like them both. I do agree second season wasn't the best but I really like this season.

 

[WolfThomas]

And the governor is a complete idiot.

Not an idiot. A crazy amoral monster who gets off on control.

To him it makes sense to kill them all. They're military trained and loyal to each other. They pose a legitimate threat to his rule.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

And the governor is a complete idiot.

Not an idiot. A crazy amoral monster who gets off on control.

To him it makes sense to kill them all. They're military trained and loyal to each other. They pose a legitimate threat to his rule.

This is how i saw it justified too. He wants those who NEED him. He needs dependency on him so he can enforce his rule. The military guys have survived a LONG time alone and probably have worn off of the conditioning to follow orders now having been freelance for almost a year. They are strong and dependent and too loyal to someone else. The governor wants to have people that need him to survive so he can control them.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

Not an idiot. A crazy amoral monster who gets off on control.

To him it makes sense to kill them all. They're military trained and loyal to each other. They pose a legitimate threat to his rule.

Yeah, it makes sense to him, because he's an idiot. Soldiers have been psychologically conditioned to obey authority. The only reason not to take them is if he really sucks at his job of being a leader, and ordering people around.

It's not like anyone from that group is hugely used to being in charge. The soldier who takes lead and seems to be the most in charge is a freaking corporal for Christ sake. Which is fine but it's not a leader among men, it's just another guy who is very used to taking orders.

This is how i saw it justified too. He wants those who NEED him. He needs dependency on him so he can enforce his rule. The military guys have survived a LONG time alone and probably have worn off of the conditioning to follow orders now having been freelance for almost a year. They are strong and dependent and too loyal to someone else. The governor wants to have people that need him to survive so he can control them.

They didn't survive alone. They were in a gated military camp that apparently had access to mechanics, tools, and enough room to keep a helicopter relatively functioning. They haven't been freelancing at all. They were simply the ones who managed to escape when the shit finally hit the fan at a military base. And are thus easy to control, because they kept the chain of command going until they finally got overrun.

 

[WolfThomas]

Yeah, it makes sense to him, because he's an idiot. Soldiers have been psychologically conditioned to obey authority. The only reason not to take them is if he really sucks at his job of being a leader, and ordering people around.

It's not like anyone from that group is hugely used to being in charge. The soldier who takes lead and seems to be the most in charge is a freaking corporal for Christ sake. Which is fine but it's not a leader among men, it's just another guy who is very used to taking orders.

But there's a chance one of these guys, who are National guard so majority reservist not regular soldiers, might think he'd make a better leader or object to some of the shadier things the Governor's men are definitely doing.

The Governor doesn't want that chance even if it's unlikely. He's got everyone hostage without them even realizing.

Spoiler: In the Novel Companion to the Comics

Brian "Phillip" Blake takes over Woodbury from three Reservists who are basically just going around raping and taking what they want.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Yeah, it makes sense to him, because he's an idiot. Soldiers have been psychologically conditioned to obey authority. The only reason not to take them is if he really sucks at his job of being a leader, and ordering people around.

No, it makes "sense" if you view the Governor as a man completely obsessed with the idea of being in power. He'll want people around him he can bully or cajole. People he feels more capable than, mentally or physically. A group of trained soldiers (whose first loyalty is going to be to their own internal chain of command, not to him) would be a huge threat to such a man.

A far more compelling question isn't "why did the Governor kill those soldiers" but rather "HOW did the Governor kill those soldiers". Element of surprise or not, a bunch of rag tag mooks with salvaged weapons shouldn't have been able to so easily overwhelm trained military personnel. They seem to have the same zombie apocalypse "unerring accuracy" trait that Rick's group acquired after Shane had them shoot at a log for 20 minutes.

 

[Atrocious Joystick]

A far more compelling question isn't "why did the Governor kill those soldiers" but rather "HOW did the Governor kill those soldiers". Element of surprise or not, a bunch of rag tag mooks with salvaged weapons shouldn't have been able to so easily overwhelm trained military personnel. They seem to have the same zombie apocalypse "unerring accuracy" trait that Rick's group acquired after Shane had them shoot at a log for 20 minutes.

You have to keep in mind these Soldiers come from the same military that suffered a devestating defeat against an enemy whose main tactic consist of slowly shambling towards a target.

 

[Wayneguard]

Currently fighting my way through season 2 in hopes of something worthwhile down the road. I feel a bit like the characters in the show in that respect. I'm slowly losing hope though.

The characters are currently too busy accidentally shooting or injuring themselves or one other to worry about zombies.

Wiki season 2 and start catching up on season 3. you'll thank me in the end.

 

[Whitbane]

A far more compelling question isn't "why did the Governor kill those soldiers" but rather "HOW did the Governor kill those soldiers". Element of surprise or not, a bunch of rag tag mooks with salvaged weapons shouldn't have been able to so easily overwhelm trained military personnel. They seem to have the same zombie apocalypse "unerring accuracy" trait that Rick's group acquired after Shane had them shoot at a log for 20 minutes.

Yeah, the way they pull off headshots is a bit forced, I mean you would have skill a year or two into the zombie apocalypse, but Christ, they shoot their weapons like they're fully automatic and score headshot after headshot unless it's some forced story piece.

Every time Carl scores a headshot, I just shake my head and sigh. How old is that kid supposed to be again? Hell, guns are heavy, and at most he's like ten or twelve. Whatever cosmic force lets him run and gun zombies with headshots must be one nice entity.

 

[Zyst]

A far more compelling question isn't "why did the Governor kill those soldiers" but rather "HOW did the Governor kill those soldiers". Element of surprise or not, a bunch of rag tag mooks with salvaged weapons shouldn't have been able to so easily overwhelm trained military personnel. They seem to have the same zombie apocalypse "unerring accuracy" trait that Rick's group acquired after Shane had them shoot at a log for 20 minutes.

Yeah, the way they pull off headshots is a bit forced, I mean you would have skill a year or two into the zombie apocalypse, but Christ, they shoot their weapons like they're fully automatic and score headshot after headshot unless it's some forced story piece.

Every time Carl scores a headshot, I just shake my head and sigh. How old is that kid supposed to be again? Hell, guns are heavy, and at most he's like ten or twelve. Whatever cosmic force lets him run and gun zombies with headshots must be one nice entity.

I think he's meant to be 8 in there.

 

[Zyst]

The show never stops pissing me off. I was fine with the little deviations from the comics, like staying on the farm longer, but at this point why even call it The Walking Dead?

What's the point of making an adaptation if you're not even going to bother following the material you're adapting?

Characters, initial following, setting lore to mention some. There's many benefits into adopting instead of creating from scratch.