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Mycroft Holmes

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WolfThomas said:
But there's a chance one of these guys, who are National guard so majority reservist not regular soldiers, might think he'd make a better leader or object to some of the shadier things the Governor's men are definitely doing.

The Governor doesn't want that chance even if it's unlikely. He's got everyone hostage without them even realizing.
Anyone in the town could do that already. The only reason to not bring them in is if he sucks at controlling people. Which the series goes out of its way to try to assure us he is good at. Their chain of command was decimated. Their leader is a guy not used to leading but rather used to being delegated orders by a sgt/lt who was in turn delegated orders by a captain who in turn was delegated orders as well.

BloatedGuppy said:
No, it makes "sense" if you view the Governor as a man completely obsessed with the idea of being in power. He'll want people around him he can bully or cajole. People he feels more capable than, mentally or physically.
And he can't bully or cajole a bunch of reservists? I'm not trying to be mean, I know people in the military who are very smart, but none of them are reservists and none of them are corporal or below. He should easily be more intellectually/mentally capable than they are. And he doesn't look like hes physically inadequate either.

1) They have been trained to accept orders
2) Their chain of command was wiped out when the military base was overrun less than a week prior.
3) The Governor is supposed to be a capable manipulator.
4) He has a group of clearly highly capable combatants already(they were able to bullseye a dozen soldiers from across a field, which also means they were able to perfectly delegate targets in a very short period of time and then effectively engage them.)
5) He apparently has the loyalty of the towns inhabitants.
6) He could easily come up with reasons to split up the reservists on their patrols of the wall. Thus undermining any ability they might have to plan against him, as well as bringing them into the fold with the rest of his people.
7) They are also reservists so it is assumed that most of them are more used to doing non-combat stuff before the apocalypse. Thus he could easily convince some of them to help with non-patrol stuff a lot of the time, which would divide them more and integrate them into the community more.

Everything above gives him a distinct and large advantage in maintaining and keeping power/control. I've never heard of an egotistical power maniac refusing an easy chance to expand their power. Apparently hes the only high ego person who has almost no ambition whatsoever, go figure.

BloatedGuppy said:
A group of trained soldiers (whose first loyalty is going to be to their own internal chain of command, not to him) would be a huge threat to such a man.
Their internal chain of command was wiped out and replaced by one apparent corporal. Controlling them would be easy.

BloatedGuppy said:
"HOW did the Governor kill those soldiers". Element of surprise or not, a bunch of rag tag mooks with salvaged weapons shouldn't have been able to so easily overwhelm trained military personnel.
It's a fictional series. The 'how' is usually not relevant unless it's clearly outside the bounds of possibility. Shooting accurately does not overstep those bounds, it merely pushes them, but does not break the story nor its internal logic.

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The only possible sense that what he did could make is if he was trying scare people into staying. IE: look what happened to those soldiers they were well armed but they died, you guys should never leave my safe walls. Except several things make that a poor explanation given the script/writing.

Michonne and Andrea had already been outside for a very long time and knew exactly what the score was. Swaying their opinions was not possible by doing such a thing. Also trading a dozen fighters for one or two is retarded. And no one else in the town showed any inclination of wanting to leave whatsoever. Everyone Michdrea saw seemed happy/content and everyone they talked to seemed pleased with the Governor. If there was a group of like 20 people who wanted to leave and take their chances in Atlanta trying to find their families or something; and he was like damn I need to sway their opinions to get them to stay. Then yeah killing a dozen soldiers or so would make sense from a psychopaths point of view. But that didn't happen, at all.

So it's either poor writing or poor writing from where I'm standing.
 

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Atrocious Joystick said:
A far more compelling question isn't "why did the Governor kill those soldiers" but rather "HOW did the Governor kill those soldiers". Element of surprise or not, a bunch of rag tag mooks with salvaged weapons shouldn't have been able to so easily overwhelm trained military personnel. They seem to have the same zombie apocalypse "unerring accuracy" trait that Rick's group acquired after Shane had them shoot at a log for 20 minutes.
They were National Guardsman not Marines or Infantry. Most were probably reservists and additionally could have been trained for support roles rather than combat. Then the fact they've been holed up in a military base for the last 8 months, it may have been pretty secure so they could have had less actual combat experience then the Governors boys. Add to this that they may have stressed and tired from their retreat.

The way the Governor walked up to them was unrealistic, the rest not necessarily.

The group has gained "unnerring accuracy" in a seven month gap between the last episode in season 2 and the first in season 3. The only people with it before were Rick, Darryl, Hershel and Shane. All with pre-exisiting gun experience. Yes it's still not perfectly realistic but meh, most shows aren't that realistic.
 

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Spot1990 said:
IndomitableSam said:
Really? I didn't think they'd be that obvious... I can't remember if the person laying out the deer was wearing a prison uniform or not. Ah well, I was overthinking it.

Still don't know what's happened to Carol, though.
We're talking about the writers of Walking Dead here, subtlety is not their strong point. Remember Shane? The guy might as well have had a swastika tattooed on his forehead.

Well it was a black guy in dark trousers on top of the things I already mentioned.

She'll turn up or she's been ate. Would've ruined the emotional climax if during Rick's break down she just strolled in.
With all due respect and not that I disagree with you, but I don't think they were even trying for subtlety here so I wouldn't hold it against them I mean
I think the guy flat out admitted it with his whole "Lets take back the prison" thing. Only reason they didn't show his face at the beginning is that we were supposed to think it was the other prisoners. Once we saw him in the generator room, we were supposed to figure it out instantly
 

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I don't get why there's so much hate on Season 2... I loved Season 2. That moment where they find Sophia was just amazing, and without the build up it would have just been dull. I loved the entire second Season. With that being said...

NOT LORI! NO, NO, NO! Seriously, the way she died in the show, made me shed more than just one tear. I also loved the evolution and flashbacks that Carl went through in that moment. It also makes me worry for his future, well, sanity.

Also... A baby... In a zombie apocalypse... Yeah I see that going well.
NOT.
 

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TKretts3 said:
I don't get why there's so much hate on Season 2... I loved Season 2. That moment where they find Sophia was just amazing, and without the build up it would have just been dull. I loved the entire second Season. With that being said...
It was the sheer amount of padding in the season for me.

You could watch the first two episodes and the last three and know everything.
 

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Blunderboy said:
Wait they've only gotten that far?

*returns to his comics*

Everything I hear about the series makes me glad I stuck with the comics.
I LOVE the comics...i enjoy the show, and i'm glad they didn't follow the story exactly due to it keeps me guessing and makes it way more enjoyable. It does have it's slow moments that the comic lacks (and when i say lacks i mean that as a compliment) There's never a dull moment in the comics, and has always pleased me.
 

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WolfThomas said:
Brian "Phillip" Blake takes over Woodbury from three Reservists who are basically just going around raping and taking what they want.
I liked the novel a lot right up until the point where Nick Kills Philip and than Brian kills Nick that was just adding a twist for the sake of adding a twist.

OT: I'm really enjoying this season, I'm glad I didn't give up on the series during Season 2.
I'm curious what will happen to the baby, well besides crying when the group has to stay quiet of course.
 

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Never watched the show...

Although the game, on the other hand, is great fun...

confusing title is confusing...
 

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TKretts3 said:
NOT LORI! NO, NO, NO! Seriously, the way she died in the show, made me shed more than just one tear. I also loved the evolution and flashbacks that Carl went through in that moment. It also makes me worry for his future, well, sanity.

Also... A baby... In a zombie apocalypse... Yeah I see that going well.
NOT.
Reading the comments on this thread, I was starting to think I was the only person in the world who was sad when Lori died.
 

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OlasDAlmighty said:
The characters are currently too busy accidentally shooting or injuring themselves or one other to worry about zombies.
Admittedly my largest gripe with the series as it is progressing is "The greater threat in their world seems to be human stupidity more than the actual zombies."

So many situations they could have avoided had they just not been complete morons, it's almost becoming farcical.
 

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Yeah, it makes sense to him, because he's an idiot. Soldiers have been psychologically conditioned to obey authority. The only reason not to take them is if he really sucks at his job of being a leader, and ordering people around.
What makes you think he killed them for fear of loosing his control over the town? Not really sure how anyone could come up with a decent reasoning for his actions so soon in to the series and given that by ep3 we really didn't know what was going on, after ep5 though we have a bit of a clearer picture of what is going in that town.

It was clear very soon on that something is going on under the Governor's rule, what it was I wasn't quite sure but after ep5 it is clear that they are doing something with the walkers and the objective is probably going to involve curing his infected daughter. Army guys are fine if you can control them but they are new to the camp will have spent a good deal of time in the field and chances are they would have wanted to ensure that their new 'haven' was well and truly secure, especially so given what happened to them at their last camp. That means trained folk with weapons snooping around his town and potentially finding his infected wife and daughter.