The War Z releases. Receives immediate hate and accusations of fraud.

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Sir Pootis

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Based on simple pattern recognition, the devs aren't going to say anything about this, they'll just block everyonr and hope the problem goes away.

But in all seriousness, I'm surprised The War Z got this far. Valve employees must be living under rocks, with videos like these hanging around.


As well as this post from an ex-forum moderator from the War Z Forums:

EX-Forum Mod Devin here. Let me tell ya some stuff you can spout on for a new youtube video


My forum account was hacked, my fault, they deleted a lot of posts. I was de-modded and banned, got my computer secure, re-modded and unbanned and took care of business as usual. Except their company is full of dumb ****s and didn't backup the forums at all. No backups whatsoever.

Sergay then took it upon himself to tell Kewk to demote me for my ****up that could have been reversed if they were not so ****ing stupid.

I then made a post on the forums about how I knew this was coming; and I was sorry and would not long be supporting a company that did not support their unpaid volunteer Moderators that spent over 100+ hours answering THEIR CUSTOMERS questions and concerns as well as relaying them the ideas the community had for their bulls*** game.

I was then banned for making a "Rage quit" thread permanent and here is the even funnier part my in-game account banned under the excuse I requested a refund

So, since I didn't sign any sort of NDA for those ****faces here are some interesting facts.

WarZ is a direct port over from War Inc. They literally took the game and added NPCs, made a large map, and changed around camera angles and gun settings while adding more functionality and switching over some things.


They randomly ban accounts that have a certain amount of time spent playing in-game, knowing they are hooked on the game so they re-buy the game.

Their anti-hack is actually functional but here's the kicker..wanna know WHY their bans are TEMPORARY the first time around? 0.8% hacking? Try about 80 to 90 PERCENT of the player base is hacking. If they banned everyone they'd have a mass refund issue on their hands, and no one to play their piss poor of an excuse game.

they plan to HALT DEVELOPMENT AND ABANDON THE GAME in SIX months if revenue is not enough for them (I.E. People are not buying GC and spending the **** out of it) -- take note, if they do not get ENOUGH revenue. They will have enough revenue to pay for the game development for over a year at this point in time already, but if they don't get enough to give themselves regular raises they will stop making the game and shut down the servers and website.
 

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major_chaos said:
Why? Why do great games like S.P.A.Z and Mutant Mudds get rejected and amazing games like Shante and La-mulana have to claw their way though that godawful greenlight thing but shit like this and revelation 2012 get a free pass? At first with Greenlight and certain things getting rejected I wondered if valve was just greedy and didn't want to waste store page space with anything that wouldn't sell a certain amount, but with what does get through no problem I'm starting to think whoever is in charge of approval is crazy.
Because Greenlight is driven by community votes. Well, as far as I'm aware that's supposed to be how it works anyway.
 

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LordOfInsanity said:
Compare it to the iOS store and Apple. For a game(buy or free to play) to be placed on the iOS store, Apple goes through each and every possible listing to make sure it works/completed, has all the features that the game makers says it has, and that there is nothing inappropriate/against Apple policy in said game. War Z is an unfinished, bug-ridden mess of a game without even half of what the description says it has(which is blatant false advertisement, and that's a crime), and the game makers are actively banning and blacklisting the buyers who are lodging formal complaints against the game. Valve(Since Steam belongs to them) did absolutely no quality control, just uploading the game straight away since the game makers has a game already on the Steam service.

When Apple is doing a better job at quality control than your service, you're doing something wrong. And I am currently using an Apple computer!
Well:

- http://impending.com/2012/02/2012-the-year-scam-apps-killed-the-app-store/

- http://www.ibtimes.com/apple-ios-app-store-gets-first-virus-learn-about-app-steals-your-contacts-and-spams-your-friends

- http://www.shacknews.com/article/74912/torchlight-clone-pulled-from-app-store-developer-making-changes

- http://www.macworld.com/article/1157652/lugaru.html

No, i really wouldn't say the appstore has a much better (or much worse) track record. That some broken game was eventually slipped into steam was inevitable, just like the appstore distributing one virus, and life goes on.

As for greenlight, I think its working well enough, but that's just me and my tastes in games.

PieBrotherTB said:
major_chaos said:
Why? Why do great games like S.P.A.Z and Mutant Mudds get rejected and amazing games like Shante and La-mulana have to claw their way though that godawful greenlight thing but shit like this and revelation 2012 get a free pass? At first with Greenlight and certain things getting rejected I wondered if valve was just greedy and didn't want to waste store page space with anything that wouldn't sell a certain amount, but with what does get through no problem I'm starting to think whoever is in charge of approval is crazy.
Because Greenlight is driven by community votes. Well, as far as I'm aware that's supposed to be how it works anyway.
Well, he is confused about a few things. What you said and also that SPAZ is indeed on steam, and was approved way before greenlight was even announced. Revelation 2012 was indeed given a free pass because it was made on SOURCE and games made on it were given a free pass (and that was of general knowledge to indie devs btw), i think that is no longer the case.

It's my impression that PieBrotherTB is using greenlight as synonym of approval of a indie game on steam, it isn't and almost none of what he said has zip to do with greenlight.
 

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Bertylicious said:
What DID Petey Molyneux/Moloneux/Molonoxologist lie about? Everyone seems well narced off with him.
Nothing, he's just never known when to keep his mouth shut, so "concepts" get spouted as core mechanics, and when the developers can't deliver on his pipe dreams, people ***** and moan (myself included) about how shit these decent games are.

For the record: Fable was awesome, Fable TLC made up for its shortcomings. Fable 2 was actually a really GOOD game, but had some flaws and disappointments. Fable 3 is a pretty terrible game, with an actually okay story, but the game itself can only be called "playable" at best. Fable puppet jizzfest is not fun in any regard. Fable Rail Shooter Failure Ride Kinect is even less fun, and rarely reaches "playable" at most moments.
 

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Rawne1980 said:
I nearly bought it yesterday but hopped on the forums first.

Then did some digging a round.

Saved my money and moved along.
Did the same thing just now. Thought it looked cool, but after seeing this I have decided that I am not going anywhere near it.

The complete lack of dignity and professionalism from this guy is appalling.
 

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Solo-Wing said:
The mods seem quite retarded as well.


That message is being used for everyone that is banned apparently. And the people being banned is anybody willing to share their opinion in anyway about the game.
I Kewk an actual moderator? With spelling that bad for a message that goes out to everyone it seems pretty suspicious.

It's messes like this that give f2p MMOs a bad name, hell even I stay clear of most of them. I really hope Valve/Steam shut this game down fast and offer refunds to players.
 

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dyre said:
Both of you are completely off track from the original argument anyway. The poster who sparked this pointlessly heated argument claimed that
That's because I wasn't debating the original point.

My first post was aimed towards someone else entirely and went from there.
 

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At tremendous risk of being branded a Peter Molonox apologist and penalised for thread derailment, watch as I attempt a feat of linguistic gymnastics for your viewing pleasure:

So, Petey bigged up some features of games that only existed in his own head and has, for some people, gone from auter to villian. I suppose the reality of the matter is that Peter is a sort of celebrity, a face if you will, that can be wheeled out by his patron employer to whip up speculation amongst the public and secure more sales.

Bullshit peddling and ethically risable, whoring and lies.

Or is it? Could it also be claimed that Peter wants to share his vision with his audience? Could it be claimed that all artistic persuit is a doomed enterprise as the clumsy renderings of clay, code, canvas or manuscript will never be able to convey that which the artist is desperately trying to impart to the viewer? Perhaps all any artist will ever be able to achieve is a shadow play of half realised ideas that will require some leap from the viewer to connect with the central eidos of the artist's vision.

WarZ is blatently nothing more than an exploitation of the DayZ phenomenon. Bona fide bullshit, whoring and lies.

Is it really fair to put WarZ and Peter Mollywox in the same basket?
 

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Rawne1980 said:
Jove said:
Stop it. The fact that your even defending this travesty is absurd.
Where the fuck did I defend War Z?

Point out the exact part in my post where I defended War Z ... go on, i'll wait.


No, nothing?

Didn't think so....

What I did was nit pick your argument about something being free which, while the mod is, you can't play it without owning ArmA 2 which not everyone who plays DayZ did before the mod came out (in fact DayZ increased ArmA 2 sales by a pretty large margin).

WarZ is an absolute fucking shambles and I can't see it lasting longer than 6 months.

But thanks for linking that vid, I heard TB was doing it and i've been waiting all day to watch the bugger.
If it's any help you get my support dude.
Yes DayZ is technically a free mod, but I sure has hell didn't buy ARMA2 to play ARMA2. I got it for Day Z.
The shouty man whose name I can't be bothered to look up, clearly just hates Steam and has issues with anyone who dares question him on anything.
 

Rawne1980

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Blunderboy said:
If it's any help you get my support dude.
Yes DayZ is technically a free mod, but I sure has hell didn't buy ARMA2 to play ARMA2. I got it for Day Z.
The shouty man whose name I can't be bothered to look up, clearly just hates Steam and has issues with anyone who dares question him on anything.
Same bud.

I only got ARMA 2 for the DayZ mod.

That sad part is that shouty man had a point before he went off on one. WarZ is a half arsed game. It could have been great, going off the success DayZ had/has, it's obvious people want a survival game like that.

For it's fault, WarZ is selling incredibly well.

Yeah the Steam store page was very misleading (none of the features it advertised are in the game) and it should have mentioned it isn't a finished game but i'll give the benefit of the doubt to Steam.

They have a lot of games up and a lot of traffic so maybe they don't check everything as thoroughly as some people would like and things slip through. Maybe they take developers on their word for some things.

But they are looking into the complaints so that's something.
 

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Gamespy's done an interview with the developers.
It is the single-most horrifyingly hilarious transcript I have ever read.

[link "http://au.pc.gamespy.com/pc/the-war-z/1226980p1.html"] Good god [/link]
 

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Rawne1980 said:
What I did was nit pick your argument about something being free which, while the mod is, you can't play it without owning ArmA 2 which not everyone who plays DayZ did before the mod came out
That's like saying NO free games are free because you have to buy a computer to play them and not every owns a computer before the free game comes out.

How many other games with mods do people complain that the mods aren't free because you have to buy the game first? I can't think of any... only in Day Z/War Z arguments does this oh well the mod isn't really free thing come up.

Day Z is free. Without ever owning Arma you are allowed to download the Day Z files and have them on your computer. Given that Day Z isn't yet a standalone game it has to use some other games engine as a delivery method and Arma 2 is apparently what Rocket decided was best to use.

OT: This release is a fucking shambles. I was actually kind of excited when I first heard of this game a few months ago, I saw that it might have a decent inventory system which is one of the things I hate about Day Z but slowly my excitement eroded as more and more bad stories came out about it.

It's actually pretty embarrassing for Steam, they should never have released this onto their platform.
 

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Hal the machine said:
I enjoy it. It's about 934584758743639763878376589734569873498673986798376938736987364987349867 times more fun than DayZ, which is equally buggy and has the most disgusting UI I have ever laid eyes on.
And I still can't believe people still belive that it's a scam, the mod who said it was made a video admiting he lied because he was pissed that they fired him for being a shitty mod.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svd-p3-CURk&feature=youtu.be

Anybody Believe this guy? No? I thought so.

Also the game has been Removed from Valve and everybody is getting Refunds. Huzzah!
 

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I can't help but feel there's another hatred bandwagon going on here (been more than a few of those this year). It looks like a pretty shoddy game and a shameless cash grab, it's a direct ripoff of one of the years surprise wonders, and it seems to have been advertised falsely (now rectified I guess, since it's been removed from Steam). Ok. But lets not jump on every single bit of hearsay as gospel just because it puts the game in even more of a bad light.

Anybody could say they were banned for a silly reason; it happened in SW:TOR, it happened in Diablo 3, and it even happened in Guild Wars 2. In all cases it was shown to be a troll attempt. Show a little skepticism. Besides, you don't need such things to see what an awful game this is; you can do that just based on the gameplay. Nobody thought "I was really looking forward to this game until I saw its official forums had a dick moderator".

And this stuff about people being credit blacklisted for wanting a refund; give me proof, or I won't even consider that a possibility. TB did a great job of exposing the shoddy gameplay. He could have stopped there. This whole "there's also been accusations of X, Y and Z, oh but by the way there's no evidence for this whatsoever" thing wasn't needed. Stick to the facts; it's a shit game by facts alone.
 

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Bertylicious said:
I er, missed out on DayZ a little bit to be honest. I rather suspect that it'll be a lot like EVE Online; an amazing, unique and player driven multiplayer experience that is both singular and authentic that I will never, ever, be able to truly appreciate. Like them people what climb mount everest and such.

I'm going to lay down a stake and say that most multiplayer games that don't do anything exceptional (like EVE, DayZ etc...) are bullshit facsimilies that aren't worth anyone's time.
EVE and DayZ are story generators, that's what they're best for first and foremost. The difference is that DayZ has no barrier to when you start pulling stories out of it. EVE takes years for pretty much all involved before you get those heist stories coming out of it.
 

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Tohuvabohu said:
Sepko said:
I've been doing some digging into this myself. This does not look good.

Just a cursory glance through the steam forums shows a massive amount of complaints - plus a chosen few defending the game. (This alone is not unusual in the steam forums.)

But unlike the usual steam forum shitstorm in which a few very loud people rage about absolutely nothing, these complaints are serious. Something is incredibly wrong here. Like, disastrously wrong.

And now TB just recently put up a video about it if you want to see how bad it truly is for yourself:


40 whole minutes. The video is full of embarrassing visual and gameplay bugs. Here's a few quotes that sums the vid up.

"Everything I see is nothing short of shockingly bad."
"The game is clearly not 'finished', if it is, it's one of the worst games I've ever played."
"Astonishingly boring."

There's microtransactions in this game. You can buy items that can only be used once, you lose them when you die, the game spawns you into servers in one spot, with dozens of other people at the same time who all kill each other upon spawning, and the game is full of spawn-camping and apparently already awash with aimbotters.

^And this is a top seller on steam, folks!
The video literally is painful to watch in the full screen, I really see what TB is talking about on the narrow FOV.

How do you make a game INFERIOR, with worse gameplay, design, glitches controls, AI, and GRAPHICS to the alpha version of a mod made using the Arma 2 engine, and then charge MONEY for it.

I am SO glad it has been ripped from Steam.