the warhammer world, is it in the 40k universe?

[PurpleRain]

As for undead...um...Chaos did it...yeah

Used to play undead. It was actually people and sick experiments that they gained control over death and became vampires.

The thing it, you can't argue against this. Lizard Men, Skavin, etx could just be creatures of the planet, and like you said, humans, elves and orks all could have just crashed here one day and forgot their origins and technology after a time.

Just the whole Eldar/Elves thing kills it. I mean, they don't exaclty foget things and never age.

So it's just a maybe. Can argue each ways.

Man I'm a nerd and man I need sleep.

 

[UltimatheChosen]

I believe that they are part of the same universe, but they don't have to happen at the same time/same galaxy. The Gods of Chaos are what links both systems together. Maybe mankind expanded to other galaxies during the Dark Age of Technology?

Warhammer would have had to happen AFTER the Fall of the Eldar, however, since Slaanesh is around.

 

[Khadath]

Personally I think they are the same universe however separated by a large amount of time.
If you read the 6th edition Lizardmen army book you can make the links ie. That the Old one's created the orc's but they were like a plague so they tried to wipe them from the planet but even they couldn't do that, they would've later been made as a wall to hold back the C'Tan when that war broke out(if the old one's couldn't wipe them off of one planet how could the C'Tan wipe them from the galaxy)

Also that the Old one's left the world shortly after chaos rocked up added with the fact that they abandoned the galaxy when they started losing the war against the C'Tan, I think that their war and all the new race's created by the Old one's to fight the necrons would've fueled the chaos gods(galactic war= rage, anger(Khorne), constant research/ quest for knowledge to win the war(Tzeench). More race's/ higher galactic population= more disease(Nurgle).
So with these new powers growing they would've fled the galaxy or been wiped out.

It's also possible that Sigmar or even Belakor(first ever-chosen of chaos) could have been primarch's, 40k lore says that they were spreed through not just space but also time.

Anyway their my thought's.

 

[deathninja]

I remember donkeys years ago I was in a store in the southwest where the manager had just finished making a new terrain board for WFB, and next to a Skaven mine, buried under a load of rock was a rusted and trashed Rhino tank.

Definately not canon, but it's a clever idea.

Oh, and GW would always deny it any comparisons between 40K/WFB races, as far as they'll tell you Squats never existed.

 

[Trivun]

Games Workshop don't normally make the connection though they have hinted at it sometimes. Generally I think this is the case, but it does raise some continuity problems, not least that the Eldar (pretty much the Elves of 40k) have a backstory unrelated to any race save for the Necrons who aren't mentioned in the Fantasy series at all. In addition, Holy Terra is simply Earth millenia into the future, so it wouldn't be related in any way to the Empire or anything else from Fantasy. However, it's possible that the Fantasy series could have humans that evolved in a similar way to us and died out, on another planet...

To summarise then, there's every chance that the fantasy and 40k series are set in the same universe but at different times. However, this would cause problems with canon, which would explain why Games Workshop try to downplay the idea without actually ever denying it.

 

[UltimatheChosen]

One thought I just had... maybe Warhammer fantasy is set far in 40k's FUTURE, after all of society has collapsed.

 

[linkmaxwell]

I believe that they are part of the same universe, but they don't have to happen at the same time/same galaxy. The Gods of Chaos are what links both systems together. Maybe mankind expanded to other galaxies during the Dark Age of Technology?

Warhammer would have had to happen AFTER the Fall of the Eldar, however, since Slaanesh is around.

That assumes his existance didn't reverberate through time itself. We know that the Warp messes with the passage of time, maybe it can cause the gods of chaos to exist before they were born?

 

[I am Spy]

They origionally had that connection but dismmised it. Sigmar is definatly NOT a primarch by the way, since there is a book detailing his birth etc.

 

[WrongSprite]

Seems pretty obvious to me. Warhammer 40k is Warhammer 40,000 years later.

 

[Fraeir]

I too always thought of WH40K to be WFB set in the far, far future..

One thought I just had... maybe Warhammer fantasy is set far in 40k's FUTURE, after all of society has collapsed.

I was just thinking about that theory when I read your comment, however, it doesn't explain why all of the societies have collapsed, nor why the planet WFB is set on is seemingly forgotten by whoever haven't fallen yet. xP

Personally I don't find this credible, but it's an interesting thought, I'll give you that. Kinda like Einstein's own "I do not know what weapons World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and rocks".


Though, in the end, I've never been much interested in WH40K. Fantasy beats sci-fi anyday in my book, though I must like the fact they haven't obsoleted melee weapons and bullets in favour of pure laz0rz in WH40K. But still, swords, halberds, arrows and primitive gunpowder over chainsaw swords, miniguns and spaceships. : /

 

[GonzoGamer]

Additionally, the Orcs, out of any race, would have access to better tech, simply because it appears that orkish tech is driven more out of a willigness of the Orks to make it work rather than sound engineering principles.

There are still feral orks without guns, even in the 40K universe: you used to be able to field them, they sucked though.
40K also had undead briefly with lost and the damned (a chaos spinoff that unfortunately didn't stick around).

I always thought the warhammer world was either a world in the 40k universe or where the 40k universe came from 40,000 years ago.

 

[Arrers]

I don't think even the creators of warhammer/40K know wether that's true or not.

 

[MIDIsurf 558]

werent the eldar space elves to begin with???

 

[Spacewolf]

the warhammer world used to be a world in the eye of terror and sigmar was thought to be a primarch, but now its been split completly

 

[Torian_Kel]

In the early 40k Chaos books ('Slaves to Darkness' or something), there apparently were hints that the Warhammer World is a planet in the Eye of Terror. And in the much later 'Liber Chaotica' there were many references to Chaos Space Marines, though it was very ambiguous as to whether it was meaning an alternate universe, a future time or actually happening in the same unvierse at that exact time. Plus there is a suggestion in the Necrons codex to play battles between the 40k Necrons and WHFB Lizardmen, because there represent ancient enemies in the C'Tan and Old Ones.

So basically, its been vaugely and very infrequently hinted the two universes are directly connected, but not enough to spend brainsweat on.

What page of the codex? *opens up Necron codex and waits patiently*

 

[similar.squirrel]

I've wondered about this before. Not being overly familiar with either universe, I'd always thought that the fantasy setting might perhaps be some backwater planet where every race has converged and has been forgotten by the cosmos at large, free to continue their conflicts on a planetary scale..hm...

 

[Daye.04]

(...) The Skaven and the Tomb Kings don't have much of a connection with 40k (Necrons don't count) but they can be explained with magic. Both genres use the same Chaos Gods (I think), which I always thought as a way to save money, but maybe this is a clue they're linked.
(...)

I've allways believed that they were the same as well. And that 40K was in the distant future

But about the Tomb Kings and Skaven. Is it so hard to imagine that they were distincted? You know .. Wiped off the face of the earth. That their species didn't last very long? =P

I mean look at Skaven - they've got zillions of rats - so many, in fact, that they would have no problems taking over the entire New World and Lustria. But they fight so much among each other, that half of their numbers are wasted to decide who should make the next decision.

With that chaos among themselves, I have no problem in thinking that they were destroyed by other more organized races.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

As has probably been said 100 times already...in earlier editions there were various hints that the warhammer world was a world in the 40K universe, possibly cut off by a warpstorm.
I think the official story now is that although they share a lot of common themes, races etc they are completely seperate universes.