The whole "PCs aren't that expensive compared to consoles" argument

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Delusibeta

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Pendragon9 said:
*looks up* Yep. I knew i'd get crap for my post. Just proves my point right.

I just don't like that PC fans often say how better their system is when they complain how console fans say that.

Hypocrisy at it's finest. I'm not saying every PC owner is like that, but there's a good majority.

And again I must stress that "just because every online community" acts like that, it doesn't give you a reason to act like it too.
To be fair, your wording could have been better. Kicking a format due to its fanboys is a bit petty, in my opinion. I realise that the PC fanboys are more vocal in cross-platform forums, but to say that the 360, PS3 or even the Wii doesn't have its fanboys is, well...
 

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Going right along with Wolf here. The main point people who argue the price is about the same seem to always skew the price of the PC down, or the consoles up. As stated at the begining this isn't a which-platform-is-superior thread. It is a which-is-cheaper. Price is a pretty hard and fast thing. You can build a functioning computer for under $500USD. We can all agree on that. But you cannot realistically build a good gaming rig for much under $1000. And expect it to run games expected levels (say the level the developer would demo the game at) for more then a year. Even Wolf's machine is recycling some parts saving him about $150 (say $100 for a hard drive and $50 for the case)

Consoles, new off the self range in price from $200 to $400. I think that pretty much ends the discussion.

Paripherals should not be included. Yeah, you can drop another $200 in controlers and a camera for the PS3. Well, you can spend $1,500 on a keyboard for your computer. But on an apples to apples comparison, we are talking about a single player experiance here. If you want to talk 2 players, last time I checked the cost for a second player on the PC was... a second PC! A subscription to Xbox live should not factor in, unless you are going to count the monthly fees to World of Warcraft for a year as well, as that is a price paid for a premium subscription to game content.. not for hardware. You also can't count repair cost. Though for the record, my 360 has RRoD'd twice. First time cost me nothing, second sost me $99. My PC's motherboard shorted once. Cost me $200. If you are including theoretical costs of repairs you can make the argument a Hundai Accent is comparable in price to a New Ferrari Modena if the Hundai happens to break every 3rd week, isn't covered under warranty, and the Ferrari runs perfectly for 10 years.

Games are only barely a consideration. Yes, new games on the PC run $5 - $10 less then their console counterparts. You can't count sales. But who really has the advantage here? You can't buy PC games used, you can't rent PC games. So we should call the software a wash as there are too many variables. Even for xDarc and his unrepentant piracy, he could mod a console and still pirate games on them for less then the price differential of a PC to a console.

I think it should also be assumed that every person here has a PC already (if not... how are you posting?!). But we aren't talking netbooks or 'work' PCs. We are talking dedicated game rigs. Your game rig can do things besides play games, just like your console can do more then play games (DVD, Blu-Ray, Media center extenders, jukebox, Nexflix box, etc..)

On a pure cost basis, the PC is the more expensive option.

For the record, I have a Wii, PS3 60 gig (wanted backwards compatability), 2 Xbox 360s (20 gig and 60 gig), And an i7 920, 6gigs, Duel Radion 4850 512 Boards, 1TB (2 1TB drives mirrored) internal, 1.5TB external, Windows 7 Pro. So my credit card tells the tale quite well as to the cost of our little hobbie. :)
 

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likalaruku said:
I bought a cheap computer with a mid-priced graphics card & only after 6 years do I find that I cannot play new games (at least ones that require better than a Pentium 2). The PC & card togeather probably cost $800 at most.

Consoles on the otherhand have wat, a 3 year lifespan before their parent companies make new consoles & stop producing discs for the old ones? & What about their backwards compatibility?

A PC can play PC games from the early 90s.

Other reasons I hate consoles:
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*No keybord.
*No mouse.
*Uncomfortable game pad with only so many buttons on it.
*Is connected to TV, I don't watch TV, there hasn't been anything good on in almost 10 years.
You can get a keyboard and mouse for the PS3 atleast. Just saying.

I can't play KOTOR 2 on my pc, I can play FFX on my PS3.
 

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omega 616 said:
likalaruku said:
I bought a cheap computer with a mid-priced graphics card & only after 6 years do I find that I cannot play new games (at least ones that require better than a Pentium 2). The PC & card togeather probably cost $800 at most.

Consoles on the otherhand have wat, a 3 year lifespan before their parent companies make new consoles & stop producing discs for the old ones? & What about their backwards compatibility?

A PC can play PC games from the early 90s.

Other reasons I hate consoles:
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*No keybord.
*No mouse.
*Uncomfortable game pad with only so many buttons on it.
*Is connected to TV, I don't watch TV, there hasn't been anything good on in almost 10 years.
You can get a keyboard and mouse for the PS3 atleast. Just saying.

I can't play KOTOR 2 on my pc, I can play FFX on my PS3.
You can get a keyboard for the 360 as well. I use a wireless keyboard with mine. Just plug in to the USB port.
 

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Most arguments I've heard as to why PC gaming is cheaper are as follows:

1. If you order the parts / put it together yourself / shop around, it's cheaper
2. If you pirate games, it's cheaper
3. Well, you need a PC for work anyways so this is just making the most out of that money, allowing you to save by combining costs

All are valid points, but I just can't be assed to play a game with a keyboard and mouse on my small monitors, nor can I be assed to buy a wireless controller and adaptor to hook it up to my TV so I can play from my couch.

Besides, my girlfriend would probably stab me if I took up both the PC AND the TV at the same time. She can barely stand it when I use the PC for work while the game's on.
 

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Wolfram01 said:
Technology is moving so much faster than software these days. It used to be a game came out that coincided with a new GPU release, but now the hardware is just well ahead of what software needs.

600-1000 will build you a great machine these days and last you at least 2 years. I spent 1200 on mine 2 years and I am still running on high with room to spare.

I own a PS3, XBOX360 and the PC. XBOX is almost unused these days and my PS3 player is my BluRay for my entertainment center.

The whole fun behind building your own PC is BUILDING YOU OWN PC. Finding and researching your parts. Arguing with buddies why new tech isn't better than old or why certain things work well together when others don't.

Putting a machine together is as easy as using Lego... seriously. If however none of these things seem fun then I suggest you buy from Dell of stick with consoles 8)
 

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xDarc said:
I don't pay for windows and often times, I don't pay for games... which saves me thousands over what any console player without a hardware mod is paying.

3.1TB storage space in the case. There are literally thousands of movies on my computer, hardly any of which I payed for and the value of that is significant. I really don't play many games any more, but when I do- I can get a "demo" at no cost.

Another huge reason I dont even bother with consoles. They're toys. You buy them at Toys R' Us. The whole idea of a dedicated computer unit that only plays games is ridiculous. Better hardware is continually coming out at a cheaper price. Eventually a netbook sized/cost computer will be able to play crysis. Eventually you'll be able to play the equivalent of crysis on a cell phone. Will it still make sense then to have a dedicated system for games? No.
So your argument is that because you steal all that shit it's cheaper? Yeah, that's a GREAT argument to use.
 

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xDarc said:
Another huge reason I dont even bother with consoles. They're toys. You buy them at Toys R' Us. The whole idea of a dedicated computer unit that only plays games is ridiculous. Better hardware is continually coming out at a cheaper price. Eventually a netbook sized/cost computer will be able to play crysis. Eventually you'll be able to play the equivalent of crysis on a cell phone. Will it still make sense then to have a dedicated system for games? No.
What's the point of having a dedicated system for gaming? Consumers. Namely, gamers and those interested with gaming. People who want something to play with ONLY. To keep simplicity intact.

We can all agree that a full computer, whether Mac or PC is very flexible. With lots of functions and even open-source support. That you can get for cheap, or even for free via torrents.

But honestly, would a person whose only interest is to play video games, mind himself to purchase something very expensive when he can purchase something cheaper? Compare the price of a home console that will last an entire generation to a 500$ entry level rig that will get obsolete in five months? And even if technology is getting cheaper, do you think that these price drops are as significant? They're still as expensive as ever!

Sure the PC can be installed with many features, far more important than playing video games. But as a gamer, do you seriously need that? PC gaming is pc gaming, and is for people who wants to, or can play on those machines. Those who cannot afford such luxury are given the chance to experience the same via consoles.

If you're saying that computers dedicted for gaming are stupid, then what more can be said to the expensive rigs that pro cyberathletes and hardware enthusisasts use? Aren't those gaming dedicated computers?!

my two cents...
 

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TPiddy said:
Most arguments I've heard as to why PC gaming is cheaper are as follows:

1. If you order the parts / put it together yourself / shop around, it's cheaper
2. If you pirate games, it's cheaper
3. Well, you need a PC for work anyways so this is just making the most out of that money, allowing you to save by combining costs

All are valid points, but I just can't be assed to play a game with a keyboard and mouse on my small monitors, nor can I be assed to buy a wireless controller and adaptor to hook it up to my TV so I can play from my couch.

Besides, my girlfriend would probably stab me if I took up both the PC AND the TV at the same time. She can barely stand it when I use the PC for work while the game's on.
How do you figure these are all valid points?

1. you can shop around and build a decent gaming rig for under $400 new?
2. you can pirate games for the consoles as well (though this should not really even be a talking point, if we are just stealing stuff.. why not steal the console and say you could game for free!)
3. We aren't doing taxes here. I could say I needed a netflix box anyway, so the cost of the 360 was basically $20 (yes, I use one of my 360s almost exclusively as a media box)alternate uses for the computer do not lower to price of the computer. Yes, a PC is more versitile, the discussion is price.
 

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Yeh, Microsoft's policies on user-friendliness for the 360 are a bit skewed. You can get Elites for about 150 punds basically new, but 12-month Live and Broadband stuff is another 80. And then you get on there, and lots of tiny, maladjusted little shits are camping and screaming at each other. Stick to PC gaming, for goodness' sake.
 

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Also, don't pirate stuff. It's an old argument, but it really does fuck up the game for everyone else (especially on PC). I got my key for COD4 effectively stolen about 3 times, really pissed me off. Plus, if you respect the games designers, buy their things. If you don't respect them, don't buy their shit games.
 

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I think online services should be refrained for. If xbox live charges that much, what more of the charges of blizzard on WOW, or even by those who host online FPS servers? At least the price of XBL is a standard, even with minimal hassle...
 

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xbeaker said:
How do you figure these are all valid points?

1. you can shop around and build a decent gaming rig for under $400 new?
2. you can pirate games for the consoles as well (though this should not really even be a talking point, if we are just stealing stuff.. why not steal the console and say you could game for free!)
3. We aren't doing taxes here. I could say I needed a netflix box anyway, so the cost of the 360 was basically $20 (yes, I use one of my 360s almost exclusively as a media box)alternate uses for the computer do not lower to price of the computer. Yes, a PC is more versitile, the discussion is price.
I personally don't agree with the whole stealing concept either, I was just saying that's a common argument for PC gaming by PC gamers. As for the 'I need a PC for work anyhow', in my case it really applies, because I need a PC capable of running graphics rendering programs and compiling and serving web applications, so I reckon my setup could be a sweet gaming PC, but it's damned expensive to have something top of the line. I love the fact that my 4 year old 360 can still play a game that came out YESTERDAY.

I'm definitely in the console camp, but I just might have to get back into PC when Diablo III comes out :)
 

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gmaverick019 said:
Wolfram01 said:
congratulations on making an almost unflamed thread about pc vs consoles (roughly),

you raise some good points and some of your replies later on to other people were also very intelligent, so just wanted to tip the hat to you on that

(I am also in this same situation from time to time and i dont think i could have summed it up any better)
Wow... um.. Just have to say thank you :)

Bretty said:
Wolfram01 said:
The whole fun behind building your own PC is BUILDING YOU OWN PC. Finding and researching your parts. Arguing with buddies why new tech isn't better than old or why certain things work well together when others don't.

Putting a machine together is as easy as using Lego... seriously. If however none of these things seem fun then I suggest you buy from Dell of stick with consoles 8)
This is actually something I've learned by building this computer. Previously I've bought pre-built stuff, maybe did a little research to see if it was ok. This is my first attempt at a serious hand picked, self built rig. I have put together a PC with my cousin so I know it's not tough... but anyway, the "fun" of researching and picking parts is very subjective. You and I and plenty of other people do indeed enjoy that but probably a majority of people just want to throw down some cash and be done with it and that is where consoles shine. Not only is it super, super easy and fast but it's cheaper.

xbeaker said:
Yeah what he said! ;)
 

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TPiddy said:
xbeaker said:
How do you figure these are all valid points?

1. you can shop around and build a decent gaming rig for under $400 new?
2. you can pirate games for the consoles as well (though this should not really even be a talking point, if we are just stealing stuff.. why not steal the console and say you could game for free!)
3. We aren't doing taxes here. I could say I needed a netflix box anyway, so the cost of the 360 was basically $20 (yes, I use one of my 360s almost exclusively as a media box)alternate uses for the computer do not lower to price of the computer. Yes, a PC is more versitile, the discussion is price.
I personally don't agree with the whole stealing concept either, I was just saying that's a common argument for PC gaming by PC gamers. As for the 'I need a PC for work anyhow', in my case it really applies, because I need a PC capable of running graphics rendering programs and compiling and serving web applications, so I reckon my setup could be a sweet gaming PC, but it's damned expensive to have something top of the line. I love the fact that my 4 year old 360 can still play a game that came out YESTERDAY.

I'm definitely in the console camp, but I just might have to get back into PC when Diablo III comes out :)
I hear what you are saying. When I got a job as a graphic designer it was the best excuse ever to go out and spend way too much on a new machine. (And it really was a tax write off!) But to be fair, we shouldn't put our personal situations in to skew the discussion. I look at it this way. If someone came to me and told me their kid enjoys video games, and they don't want them playing on the family computer anymore and asks me which would be a cheaper option, buying them their own computer, or getting them a console. How would I answer?

mmmm... Diablo III
 

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I see a couple of arguments that we should ignore the features of the PC PS3 and 360 and focus entirely on the price, in which case I submit the PS2 currently £21.55 on ebay.

Yes I'm trolling just a bit, you can't just go on price you have to take into account features otherwise the Wii is the best of the current gen.
 
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Wolfram01 said:
no problem, just think sometimes on these forums people aren't appreciative as we should be sometimes for good intelligent talks, rather then the usual flame bait or super elitism that soon follows

when it stays mostly intelligent, its a damn good topic to sit on for a while and chat about
 

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razormint21 said:
But honestly, would a person whose only interest is to play video games, mind himself to purchase something very expensive when he can purchase something cheaper?
No. But whose only interest is to play games? Children.
 

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gellert1984 said:
I see a couple of arguments that we should ignore the features of the PC PS3 and 360 and focus entirely on the price, in which case I submit the PS2 currently £21.55 on ebay.

Yes I'm trolling just a bit, you can't just go on price you have to take into account features otherwise the Wii is the best of the current gen.
You have a point that it's not only about price. However at the same time, it is about gaming so to mention that you can do taxes on your gaming PC isn't really a bonus. Also, because it's about gaming, you kind of have to consider that the cheaper PCs will not maximize your gameplay. You'll wind up with either lower quality graphics, or low frame rats as well as long load times and occasional freeze up.

The PS2 was a great console and while it can't compare with modern gaming whether console or PC in terms of it's technical merits, it still has some amazing games to enjoy that are at least equal to or exceed games on PC whether current or past in their excellency. The fact that it's so cheap is great.

As to the fact that console tech is already aging, this could be detrimental however the specs for games never increases - they have to work withing the confines of the console, and developers are learning more and more how to exploit what's there. Maybe in a couple years or whenever Crysis 2 comes out we can say ok, PC graphics completely blow console away. But for now a few extra pixels or a little bit better shading is barely perceivable to a gamer when you're focused on playing. I think that the better looking PS3 games are as good as anything I've played on my old PC. And that PC, 2 years ago, cost me over $1000 maybe $1500 with a monitor and everything.

Now, at this point in time games on PC are able to one up consoles graphically it's true, but to exploit that you need to spend a lot - like my soon to be PC is a little over $1000 but it'll be killing game specs for a couple years (in general).