The year punk 'died'
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thats funny, I havent laughed that hard in a very long time.Jack_Uzi said:
anyway I would say in the mid-late nineties when the world moved on from the heavy rebellion of George Bush sr. and got into the good times of Clinton. ABout that time we got a bunch of those softer rock bands like Gin Blossoms and such.
this is an amusing concept and one i don't subscribe to. A music genre cannot die.
Punk is now a name for a genre of music and so long as bands keep producing records that fit that genre it will never officially die and Punk is now a counter-culture which so long as people remeber it existed, will never really die.
and resurgance would surely be a 'New Punk Movement', in fact, didn't that exist?
but if we're being picky:
Theoretically the 'punk' movement died out when the bands associated with the movement (as only the '77 movement was officially titled 'punk' I'll sumise it's that movement we mean) moved on, putting it's 'death' at about late 1979 - with the formation of Public Image Ltd and the releases of All Mod Cons and London Calling and Sid Vicious being dead while the Punk itself intesified into Hardcore and Oi! and changed into Post-Punk, New Wave, No Wave and Two-Tone.
And that paragraph is why sub-genres suck.
MeX
Addition: Punk cannot 'loose it's message' because it's main message was a Do-it-yourself approach to music and need to confrotn social ills, as well as to reject the move overblown, technical rock sound, so while bands continue this, the 'message' of punk stays alive.
And technically 'punk' became commerical before most people even heard a punk song - The Sex Pistols signed to EMI, The Clash signed to CBS, and several punk singles, includnig God Save the Queen, charted very highly.
Punk is now a name for a genre of music and so long as bands keep producing records that fit that genre it will never officially die and Punk is now a counter-culture which so long as people remeber it existed, will never really die.
and resurgance would surely be a 'New Punk Movement', in fact, didn't that exist?
but if we're being picky:
Theoretically the 'punk' movement died out when the bands associated with the movement (as only the '77 movement was officially titled 'punk' I'll sumise it's that movement we mean) moved on, putting it's 'death' at about late 1979 - with the formation of Public Image Ltd and the releases of All Mod Cons and London Calling and Sid Vicious being dead while the Punk itself intesified into Hardcore and Oi! and changed into Post-Punk, New Wave, No Wave and Two-Tone.
And that paragraph is why sub-genres suck.
MeX
Addition: Punk cannot 'loose it's message' because it's main message was a Do-it-yourself approach to music and need to confrotn social ills, as well as to reject the move overblown, technical rock sound, so while bands continue this, the 'message' of punk stays alive.
And technically 'punk' became commerical before most people even heard a punk song - The Sex Pistols signed to EMI, The Clash signed to CBS, and several punk singles, includnig God Save the Queen, charted very highly.
Can't really say it's dead, as some people do carry on the tradition to some degree, but I will say that punk has almost lost all meaning when you see horrible things like Steampunk Palin (a comic about Sarah Palin...dressed in steampunk cosplay...*shudder*). No, I'm not making it up, nor will I link to it, nor provide an image, as I am not that cruel.
I think Fat Mike is still alive, if that counts for anything.
Also, if all that new stuff is so terribly horrible, might as well put on some old records.
As far as I'm concerned, London is still calling.
Also, if all that new stuff is so terribly horrible, might as well put on some old records.
As far as I'm concerned, London is still calling.
Depends. American hardcore punk is still going today, pop-punk a la Greenday also still going, traditional British punk was declared dead in December 1976, having been recognised in 1974, Post-punk, like Siouxie Sioue and the Banshees, which a lot of people still recognise as just straight punk, kept going well into the 80s.
Like every other music genre, punk doesn't have a confirmed 'death.' It would be like asking when rock and roll died, it didn't, it just got incorporated into Heavy Rock like Led Zeppelin, punk became pop punk like the Undertones, then became grune in the 90s, then became post-pop-punk like Green Day, and who knows where it'll go next.
Besides, there's always some people who cling doggedly to 'old fashioned punk' whatever that is, so it's not even like trad punk isn't still played.
And the mentality of punk is definitely alive and well in almost every indie or alternative scene.
Like every other music genre, punk doesn't have a confirmed 'death.' It would be like asking when rock and roll died, it didn't, it just got incorporated into Heavy Rock like Led Zeppelin, punk became pop punk like the Undertones, then became grune in the 90s, then became post-pop-punk like Green Day, and who knows where it'll go next.
Besides, there's always some people who cling doggedly to 'old fashioned punk' whatever that is, so it's not even like trad punk isn't still played.
And the mentality of punk is definitely alive and well in almost every indie or alternative scene.
As did I.emeraldrafael said:
Anyway, the punk scene got pretty over-saturated by the late 90s(with everyone copying Blink 182 and Green Day), so that is when it wouldn't been "dead"(if "death" means lack of commercial interest), simply because after than no "new" punk band was being signed except for really underground groups.
We could have a revival within the next 20 years, but by then Punk could have been replaced by another "the statement is more important than the execution"-type genre.
That would be the year the Ramones died. Well, one died and then two others have followed. We still have the one Ramone left, we can still reform the band!
for me thats when something dies. Either that, or when it just kinda disappears or everyone changes (like iwth grunge). Death by over engorgement and unoriginality.Ham_authority95 said:
Anyway, what made you laugh about htat? cause I meant that punk was always commercial.
Depends what people define as being 'punk'. As quite a broad category of music, instead of falling into sub-genres like pop-punk, hardcore, etc. punk is certainly not 'dead'.
Also, if you're defining it's death in terms of losing its message and succumbing to commercialisation, look no further than Propagandhi. Their might not be many comparable bands to what they do, but they're doing enough to fly the flag by themselves if that's the case.
Also, if you're defining it's death in terms of losing its message and succumbing to commercialisation, look no further than Propagandhi. Their might not be many comparable bands to what they do, but they're doing enough to fly the flag by themselves if that's the case.
it's still alive today the same way it was 30 years ago, there just happens to be bands that are a lot bigger that have attained mainstream success. There is still good stuff when you pay attention to local bands in the underground punk scenes across the world. The same punk shows people went to in the 80s can still be found today easily in most big cities
I laughed at what the OP said because the whole "Punk ain't commercial!" thing wasn't the actual point of original punk. Original punk was just a simple and to the point Rock music. The cultural aspects weren't even in full swing until the Sex Pistol were commercial.emeraldrafael said: