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Is the escapist systematically eliminating everything that makes this site awesome? I mean, I know its not ALL their fault, but there just doesn't seem to be any effort...

WHERE AM I SUPPOSED TO GO NOW? THIS SITE IS THE ONLY NON TOXIC AREA LEFT!!!!!
 

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shrekfan246 said:
"Matt" and Grey?

Now, I'll admit I haven't been following for a while now, but who is "Matt" supposed to be?
That's the nickname I give Cory.

Mostly because I keep wanting to call them Matt and Trey for some reason.

LenticularHomicide said:
Everyone. Calm. Down. That tweet was on October 17th. On Sunday, Grey posted linework of a not-yet-published EDA:

https://twitter.com/GreyTheTick/status/792896769449353216
Is there no way to seek clarification on this? I feel like this whole can of worms could have been avoided if they'd just clarify their point. "I guess we couldn't hide it forever," or something to that effect, sounds pretty ominous when you have your characters walking into the sunset. After you make a Patreon post about how your fighting with your partner about money, and may have to cancel the comic.

Edit: Ah, I just saw your update. Much appreciated. This whole debacle is getting out of hand. I really do hope things work out for them.
 

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I can't say I care that much about losing the comic. It often came across as mean-spirited or smug, which I got the feeling was what endeared it to a lot of people here. Still, the art was particularly impressive at times and it's never good news for someone to have to wrap up doing something they enjoy because it just isn't making ends meet any more. Good luck to you, Cory and Grey.
 

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Silentpony said:
So basically Yahtzee is the only one still making content here, and the Escapist isn't bothering to reach out to other content creators to try to revitalized the site.
DEFY owns them. Everything must be passed by DEFY. Imagine your ideas are bombers being passed through a thick screen of flak, and you'll begin to understand why almost nothing gets done around here. Except the Twitch streams, which autoplay on the front page and are reasonable money for remarkably little effort.
 

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Barbas said:
Silentpony said:
So basically Yahtzee is the only one still making content here, and the Escapist isn't bothering to reach out to other content creators to try to revitalized the site.
DEFY owns them. Everything must be passed by DEFY. Imagine your ideas are bombers being passed through a thick screen of flak, and you'll begin to understand why almost nothing gets done around here. Except the Twitch streams, which autoplay on the front page and are reasonable money for remarkably little effort.
So does that mean DEFY is okay with the Escapist dying? 'cause it IS dying and DEFY seems to be doing everything in its power to ensure its as long, painful and drawn-out as possible.

I mean either shut the site down, or get...I dunno, Jim Sterling back. He at least can generate controversy which creates traffic. Or reach out to any of the Youtubers. Give TL:DR a weekly video, or ShoeOnHead or MundaneMatt or whatever. Someone to do a thing once in awhile!
 

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Silentpony said:
Barbas said:
Silentpony said:
So basically Yahtzee is the only one still making content here, and the Escapist isn't bothering to reach out to other content creators to try to revitalized the site.
DEFY owns them. Everything must be passed by DEFY. Imagine your ideas are bombers being passed through a thick screen of flak, and you'll begin to understand why almost nothing gets done around here. Except the Twitch streams, which autoplay on the front page and are reasonable money for remarkably little effort.
So does that mean DEFY is okay with the Escapist dying? 'cause it IS dying and DEFY seems to be doing everything in its power to ensure its as long, painful and drawn-out as possible.

I mean either shut the site down, or get...I dunno, Jim Sterling back. He at least can generate controversy which creates traffic. Or reach out to any of the Youtubers. Give TL:DR a weekly video, or ShoeOnHead or MundaneMatt or whatever. Someone to do a thing once in awhile!
Something is better than nothing. Id rather idle on this sinking ship than jump up and down to force it to sink faster. (ie dont shut it down)

I do often wonder though, what people like Jim Sterling and the Extra Credits crew might think. Would they take vindictive joy in The Escapist getting it's just desserts? Or would they feel bad that the place that helped make them notable isnt doing so well?

And whats Loading Ready Run doing? They were so involved in the site that I used to think The Escapist was their personal forum site.
 

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Silentpony said:
So does that mean DEFY is okay with the Escapist dying? 'cause it IS dying and DEFY seems to be doing everything in its power to ensure its as long, painful and drawn-out as possible.

I mean either shut the site down, or get...I dunno, Jim Sterling back. He at least can generate controversy which creates traffic. Or reach out to any of the Youtubers. Give TL:DR a weekly video, or ShoeOnHead or MundaneMatt or whatever. Someone to do a thing once in awhile!
A lot of forum-goers say that, but they don't have access to the site's finances. Comics, regular videos, competitions, conventions, all these things cost money. If it isn't in the budget, it isn't going to happen. The site is cheaper to run with just the Twitch streams and some written articles and galleries. I imagine the thinking behind the firings was that this slows down the bleed.
 

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Barbas said:
Silentpony said:
So does that mean DEFY is okay with the Escapist dying? 'cause it IS dying and DEFY seems to be doing everything in its power to ensure its as long, painful and drawn-out as possible.

I mean either shut the site down, or get...I dunno, Jim Sterling back. He at least can generate controversy which creates traffic. Or reach out to any of the Youtubers. Give TL:DR a weekly video, or ShoeOnHead or MundaneMatt or whatever. Someone to do a thing once in awhile!
A lot of forum-goers say that, but they don't have access to the site's finances. Comics, regular videos, competitions, conventions, all these things cost money. If it isn't in the budget, it isn't going to happen. The site is cheaper to run with just the Twitch streams and some written articles and galleries. I imagine the thinking behind the firings was that this slows down the bleed.
I guess. Well, not that I guess 'cause you spelled it out, so I get it. It just feels(Truthiness if you will) that not enough is being done. The weekly schedule gets emptier and emptier every month, and that Twitch stream is so annoying with its Autoplay. I just shut if off because I didn't come here to watch someone play Civ 6 for 19 hours.
 

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Silentpony said:
I guess. Well, not that I guess 'cause you spelled it out, so I get it. It just feels(Truthiness if you will) that not enough is being done. The weekly schedule gets emptier and emptier every month, and that Twitch stream is so annoying with its Autoplay. I just shut if off because I didn't come here to watch someone play Civ 6 for 19 hours.
I found that too, but then I learned that Yahtzee's on it. If you join the Discord channel you can ask him questions too. If you enjoyed the Let's Drown Out series he did with Gabe, I'd say it's worth a look.
 

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Barbas said:
Silentpony said:
So does that mean DEFY is okay with the Escapist dying? 'cause it IS dying and DEFY seems to be doing everything in its power to ensure its as long, painful and drawn-out as possible.

I mean either shut the site down, or get...I dunno, Jim Sterling back. He at least can generate controversy which creates traffic. Or reach out to any of the Youtubers. Give TL:DR a weekly video, or ShoeOnHead or MundaneMatt or whatever. Someone to do a thing once in awhile!
A lot of forum-goers say that, but they don't have access to the site's finances. Comics, regular videos, competitions, conventions, all these things cost money. If it isn't in the budget, it isn't going to happen. The site is cheaper to run with just the Twitch streams and some written articles and galleries. I imagine the thinking behind the firings was that this slows down the bleed.
Alot of the problem is the lack of transparency. We're all in the dark on this, on alot of things, and its scary. Plus Im sure alot of blame gets thrown around (such as at mods) when maybe they dont deserve it, but we dont know who truly does. And more than just assigning blame, we cant get a clear idea on perhaps what it will take to fix things either.

Personally, while a lack of content is unfortunate, I really enjoy the forums here, even at its most heated. If it comes down to just the forums and a Twitch Auto-Play, I can live with that. I do like the post-ZP streams where you get more insight into Yahtzee's view on the game in question.
 

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That's unfortunate but I had a feeling ever since Critical Miss kinda just.... died. And few people talked about it.
 

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Alot of the problem is the lack of transparency. We're all in the dark on this, on alot of things, and its scary. Plus Im sure alot of blame gets thrown around (such as at mods) when maybe they dont deserve it, but we dont know who truly does. And more than just assigning blame, we cant get a clear idea on perhaps what it will take to fix things either.

Personally, while a lack of content is unfortunate, I really enjoy the forums here, even at its most heated. If it comes down to just the forums and a Twitch Auto-Play, I can live with that. I do like the post-ZP streams where you get more insight into Yahtzee's view on the game in question.
I know. This is the thing I used to worry and complain about before I was a mod, then I became a mod and a lot of this sort of thing we can't really talk about, which is a different kind of frustrating. Mods have done in the past, which they shouldn't have, but I can still see where their frustration comes from. It's usually a case of having uncommunicative or ineffectual management. For the shadow mods who haven't been around for ages, it's probably worse, because when they were first brought on the site arguably had some of the best community staff. And when the Wild West was implemented, the mods weren't even told until after it was done. I consider that contemptuous. And the line in the sticky thread - "Staff will not monitor or use this forum" - is blatantly wrong, so I have no idea why it was written; if you're bored and/or jaded, that forum is basically free entertainment.

So many things are broken or otherwise wrong, and I can't stand working in a place that is just stuck like that, so by tomorrow it looks like I'll either no longer be a mod (which is going to be very interesting for the spam levels) or I'll hopefully be talking to the CM about how to start fixing things.
 

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I care less about the comic than I do for The Escapist, which has been inauspiciously dismissing content for a while.
 

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Barbas said:
Saelune said:
Alot of the problem is the lack of transparency. We're all in the dark on this, on alot of things, and its scary. Plus Im sure alot of blame gets thrown around (such as at mods) when maybe they dont deserve it, but we dont know who truly does. And more than just assigning blame, we cant get a clear idea on perhaps what it will take to fix things either.

Personally, while a lack of content is unfortunate, I really enjoy the forums here, even at its most heated. If it comes down to just the forums and a Twitch Auto-Play, I can live with that. I do like the post-ZP streams where you get more insight into Yahtzee's view on the game in question.
I know. This is the thing I used to worry and complain about before I was a mod, then I became a mod and a lot of this sort of thing we can't really talk about, which is a different kind of frustrating. Mods have done in the past, which they shouldn't have, but I can still see where their frustration comes from. It's usually a case of having uncommunicative or ineffectual management. For the shadow mods who haven't been around for ages, it's probably worse, because when they were first brought on the site arguably had some of the best community staff. And when the Wild West was implemented, the mods weren't even told until after it was done. I consider that contemptuous. And the line in the sticky thread - "Staff will not monitor or use this forum" - is blatantly wrong, so I have no idea why it was written; if you're bored and/or jaded, that forum is basically free entertainment.

So many things are broken or otherwise wrong, and I can't stand working in a place that is just stuck like that, so by tomorrow it looks like I'll either no longer be a mod (which is going to be very interesting for the spam levels) or I'll hopefully be talking to the CM about how to start fixing things.
Well, I hope its the latter, rather than the former. I think The Escapist would do well to look to its community for help. Sure, some of us have been snide in the decline of the site, but I think most of us would love to help fix the problems this site has if we can. Id love a more open connection between the users and those in charge, and Im sure some of us would give out some great ideas if we had a better understanding of how things work. I know I have a few, but since I dont know the inner workings, they might not be helpful at all.

If nothing else, I want to atleast not end up blaming people who might not deserve it. Its why I try not to jump on the "blame the mods" bandwagon. I know you are a regular user too, so is Fappy, and Sky when they were a mod, etc. For good or ill, you guys are people too.
 

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I feel like I had a Pepe for this but I'm too sad now to post it
 

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Uh, they posted a new comic page today.

Anyway, I'll admit to having mixed feelings on EDA. I actually stopped caring about CM, though when is the last time that posted anything?

Still, if there is one that WOULD be missed, it would be EDA. Though, that might partly be due to there being so little content on the site these days. It wasn't that long ago that we had a different video each day of the week.
 

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The Wooster said:
What the fuck is going on in this thread?
You are leaving the Escapist and you're stopping to produce comics. Apparently. You probably weren't notified.