There is no gender, only personality

[Silk_Sk]

I haven't read your post, just the title. It's obvious you don't know the first thing about the difference between gender and sex. "Gender" encompasses the behaviors and preferences labeled as "feminine" or "masculine" attributes. These are separate but do not always appear in only males or only females. A male may have feminine attributes and vice versa. "Sex" as opposed to "gender" is the biological differences between men and women and is mostly polarized with very very few exceptions. Both of them are pretty much exist.

 

[Phyroxis]

Gender is an important factor OF personality. Yes, there are some social constructs (or gender roles) that might not exist if humans were taken outside of the context of our current society, that said, there is real scientific evidence that quite plainly demonstrates that there are real differences between genders.

Except that humans, like essentially all primates, are social creatures. To remove it from the species would be to remove a central aspect. Therefore you can't actually take it out of context, so by definition we have gender roles. Just as almost all primate species do.

 

[Frequen-Z]

Oh, and that thing dangling between your legs (I'm assuming) should sort of swing things in favour of the "there is" argument.

I don't know if that 'swing' pun was intentional, but it was magnificent.

On topic: No, I don't agree. There are far too many gender/behavioural pattern correlations to be a coincidence.

 

[Woodsey]

Oh, and that thing dangling between your legs (I'm assuming) should sort of swing things in favour of the "there is" argument.

I don't know if that 'swing' pun was intentional, but it was magnificent.

On topic: No, I don't agree. There are far too many gender/behavioural pattern correlations to be a coincidence.

Haha, it was.

I could hardly write that accidentally and not notice!

 

[BubbaJeff]

I haven't read your post, just the title. It's obvious you don't know the first thing about the difference between gender and sex. "Gender" encompasses the behaviors and preferences labeled as "feminine" or "masculine" attributes. These are separate but do not always appear in only males or only females. A male may have feminine attributes and vice versa. "Sex" as opposed to "gender" is the biological differences between men and women and is mostly polarized with very very few exceptions. Both of them are pretty much exist.

This.

Also,

am Adam nuts?

This.

Wiki yourself up some Queer Theory, it sums all this up pretty well, if you're into all that postmodernism malarky.

 

[similar.squirrel]

I think you're talking through your non-gender-specific orifice.

Our physiology plays a massive role in our psyche, not the opposite.

 

[Frequen-Z]

Oh, and that thing dangling between your legs (I'm assuming) should sort of swing things in favour of the "there is" argument.

I don't know if that 'swing' pun was intentional, but it was magnificent.

On topic: No, I don't agree. There are far too many gender/behavioural pattern correlations to be a coincidence.

Haha, it was.

I could hardly write that accidentally and not notice!

God damn that's been the highlight of my evening. Thanks.

 

[Animated Rope]

I think considering some of the responses I need to point out that Sex=/=Gender.

While they're often interchangeable, Sex is what dangly bits you do or don't have whereas gender is more the mindset, personality, reactions and thought processes. Basically your sex is almost certainly biological, whereas your gender can be the social role and gender identity.

In general conversation they're one and the same, but apparently some sociologists/psychologists get really antsy if you mix the two up. Or so my lecturer said anyway >_>

Gender is an important factor OF personality. Yes, there are some social constructs (or gender roles) that might not exist if humans were taken outside of the context of our current society, that said, there is real scientific evidence that quite plainly demonstrates that there are real differences between genders.

To put it as simply as I can, your brain (the organ from which your personality is derrived) is a series of bio-chemical impulses. If you change the chemicals, you change the way in which your brain works, meaning that you change your personality. It is a scientific fact that the chemicals in men's bodies and in women's bodies ARE different. The chemicals in men's and women's brains are different. Therefore (while there are some exceptions) as a general rule there is a genuine gender difference between men and women caused by their gender.

Quoting the two posts that togeter make a /thread.

In short, OP is wrong. Can we move on now?

EDIT: Bolded one part for clarity.

 

[Heart of Darkness]

There is gender. It's just a spectrum that goes from "woman" to "man."

There is also sex, which varies from anywhere between two to five sexes, depending on who you talk to and what society you're talking about.

 

[Poomanchu745]

I think considering some of the responses I need to point out that Sex=/=Gender.

While they're often interchangeable, Sex is what dangly bits you do or don't have whereas gender is more the mindset, personality, reactions and thought processes. Basically your sex is almost certainly biological, whereas your gender can be the social role and gender identity.

In general conversation they're one and the same, but apparently some sociologists/psychologists get really antsy if you mix the two up. Or so my lecturer said anyway >_>

Yes people are uninformed and generally closed minded when it comes to the issue of gender. Sex is what chromosomes / penis or vagina. Gender is really a socially constructed idea that is meant to put people into one of two categories because it keeps things from being messy and complicated, even though it is pretty wrong. However there are cases of Kodiak Islanders who would often call a baby with a penis a girl. The baby would grow up as a girl and would get actually get a greater dowry for getting married then would girls without a penis.

So no this is not a troll and everyone who thinks the OP is dumb or crazy should actually do a little more research before bashing people, because it turns out you are wrong.

 

[Sleepingzombie]

question: A psychiatrist that i talked to agreed with me, how could a professional do so?
and why?
oh also plase take into account that as a Svede my native language is Swedish and therefore some of the finer points and meanings of the words here may be not be applied wholy correctly.

 

[Phyroxis]

*prepares chainsaw*

Yosha!

Gesundheit.

My name´s Adam and I think that there actually is no "women" or "men", only different persons, or personalitys.

Hello Adam, you think wrong. To be considered a woman or man is based strictly off physical characteristics. Penis = man, vagina = woman. That is a question of sex, not gender.

you could express it like this: "Masculinity" is not male and "femeninity" is not female, they are two different collections of atributes,personalitys and atidudes and other factors of the same category.

Male is another label for "one with penis." Female is another label for "one with vagina."

Masculininity, or the singular masculine, is the label for all characteristics, behaviors, and beliefs that are considered, by a society, to make up and reasonably be expected of someone who is identified as male. This is the concept of gender. Gender is an entirely social/relational construct. The same applies for the word feminine. There are, always, exceptions to the rule but generally people associate with one of these terms more strongly. The vast majority of males associate with masculinity, though some to a larger degree than others and the vast majority of females associate with femininity, also with some to a larger degree than others.

Apart from the different reproduction organs i mean, as i right now anyways dont beleive they matter that much.

You don't believe gender matters? Your sentence is unclear, but if that is the case, then you are incredibly unobservant. Its remarkable how differently society, at least most that I know of, treats genders. There is blurring of the lines, but there is still a great rift between the treatment of men and women based on their sex, or gender.

How many times are you, assuming you're a gamer at all, called a fag when playing online matches? This in and of itself is a good illustrator of gender. Men who exhibit feminine traits are often called words like this to be made to feel like less of a man. It is, largely, undesirable for someone who identifies as male to be called female.

I have been thinking this, as many of friends are like me. Regardless of gender we are like twins, think the same things, the same way,at the same time and have similiar views.

So you're clones of eachother? I'm not sure what your point is here. Just because you have similar opinions to someone does not mean you are both of the same gender or genetic makeup. I have plenty of female friends who have similar, or identical, opinions to me. We still act differently.

I´m a 18 year-old open dude. On the subject many people that i meet in my school and class behave in gender-typical ways, and it seems to me that they are insecure.

Are you sure you're not just projecting your insecurities about your own associations? You present very little evidence and only a little more anecdote. Perhaps if you fleshed out your ideas, or did a little in-depth observation of the world around you, you could answer your own question without spewing ignorance all over the forum.

are there genders?
Is there such a thing as womanly behavior and manly?
Is it not how you personaly are?
Or, am Adam nuts?

1. Of course
2. See #1
3. Your grammar is painful to decode.
4. See #1

 

[Random Argument Man]

Mmmmm Well I was going to put out

-That thing between my legs seems to differ
-My testosterone seems be a factor.
-My deep voice and my physical built is somehow "manlish" (Is that even a word?)

But to sum it up:
Adam is crazy.

 

[ioxles]

It's an interesting point. Sometimes I have thought there were a limited amount of "people" in the world and a large amount of shells. The classic tropes and cloned personalities repeating themselves ad infinitum with all but minor changes

But that is very depressing >?.?<

 

[Phyroxis]

question: A psychiatrist that i talked to agreed with me, how could a professional do so?
and why?
oh also plase take into account that as a Svede my native language is Swedish and therefore some of the finer points and meanings of the words here may be not be applied wholy correctly.

No one here is able to speculate why one particular psychiatrist may or may not have agreed with what you talked to them about. If it was in a clinical setting, perhaps they were not agreeing with you but only validating your opinion- as is common in counseling- that you just misinterpreted as consent and agreement?

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

Unfortunately, you're nuts.

The most pressing argument for me would be transgenered children (I think that's the term), born with either a penis that is shrunk to the size of a clitoris or clitoris enlarged to near penis levels. It's to do with testosterone and oestrogen imbalances during the pregnancy.

During the 70s/80s they would try to ascribe a personality to the child, and raise them as such. Male children with abnormally small penises would be rendered as female, and female children with nearly all the requisite parts for a penis would be corrected to become fully male.

When they went back during the 90s/00s they found that wherever the gender had been altered, the child had been unhappy, uncomfortable in their gender identity, and nearly all of the group changed their gender when it was revealed what had happened. (By the way, this still happens today)

Gender is a thing, and while some people seem to have been 'assigned' the wrong gender, it works out most of the time. Your personality is something different.

 

[Sleepingzombie]

To clarify more:
I am nor manly or girly, I am mostly quite original and creative: open,charismatic,deep,stubborn,verbal,stubborn, many people that I meet are like me. We work alike, meaning what I said above. Another point: most people that meet me tend to wei me as a strong (mental) dude.
That is not to say im cool or anything positive like that, I have many faults but these factors(stubborness)I beliave is becuase I had a premature birth, those that survive something like that usualy, are wery stubborn.

The psyche expert dude i talked to did agree with me, as to validate my opinion in counseling.
I aked this question for an essay, she told me not to write about differances in body language but on introvert and extrovert language.