There Will Be Brawl: Episode 10

[theaceplaya]

I'm blown away. Blown!

Glad Samus survived. Need on DVD!

 

[awatkins]

Episode 10

Welcome to a world of dark humor starring the classic game characters you thought you knew and loved. In the series finale, the brawl to end it all.

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[Jiveturkey124]

I thought an awesome scene they could have added at the end would have been:

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As the brothers carry their personal belongings to the orphanage.

Mario: This place sure is scary looking for an orphanage.

Luigi: Yea, thats a'right bro.

Samus walks up to the Brothers with an eager look on her face.

Samus: So did you hear the news Luigi?

Luigi: No Samus, whats'a that?

Samus: The chief of police and the council are re-naming this place in your honor, from now on it will be called... "Luigi's Mansion"!

Luigi: .....hey, Mario, did you remember to grab my vacuum from the apartment?...

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I thought that would have been a hilarious ending scene, you know, just for like one more laugh before we got the final scare.

 

[laidtorest195]

That WOULD be quite amazing...

 

[boholikeu]

While I really liked the series for the first few episodes, the storytelling got kind of hit/miss towards the end. In fact, I don't know how this is possible but the filmmakers somehow managed to make the big "reveal" totally predictable and yet at the same time totally out of the blue. I guess it was because I knew Kirby was going to be behind it all, yet the series didn't do a good enough job of establishing the possibility of Ness/Lucas being the killers.

Anyway, here's my basic critique of it all:

Loved:
-Noir setting, overall creepy tone
-Characterizations, though there were a few too many "criminal mastermind" archetypes (by the time we got to Ganondorf I couldn't help rolling my eyes)
-Most of the acting, esp Luigi and Wario.
-The pacing of the first few eps.
-Kirby in the first few eps.

Didn't like:
-The number of false reveals. I just felt like the plot wasn't really going anywhere in the second half
-The fact that Kirby was behind it all. Even though I liked his character I would've preferred it be a side plot.
-Borrowing a bit too much from Silence of the Lambs. Once again, it was funny in the beginning, but after a while I started wanting references to different movies (a Usual Suspects ending would've been amazing IMO) or I would've liked to see the story branch out on its own.

This is to those who complain about the lack of storytelling. The plot made every bit of sense. I know it hurts your pride to hear this, but you either weren't paying attention to detail, or you aren't capable of understanding subtlety. Sorry, I know you're mad, but it was all there regardless of how you feel. Inference is a very powerful tool.

Kirby made sense, he was a mastermind. Ness and Lucas are deranged psychic children trained by Mewtwo from the orphanage. Originally they were unleashed to appease Olimar's 'demons', or the proletariat of the Mushroom Kingdom (G&W is an allegory for the original residents being forced into labor positions). When Ness and Lucas continued the killing spree, Ganondorf lost control, but everything was working toward Kirby's plan (he knew they would get out of control). Kirby wants chaos, that is what his legacy will hold, and if he could cause chaos from behind bars, that just makes him happier. And that cliffhanger ending does not mean a sequel is necessary and it is excellent storytelling! It is a device used to tell you that the Mario Bros' job is never over, and that "to secure peace is to prepare for war."

I think when people complain about the lack of storytelling they aren't complaining about TWBB "not making sense" so much as the resolution not having any impact. Yes, the whole Kirby/Ness/etc. is understandable on a basic plot level, but the filmmakers didn't do a very good job explaining why we should care about any of it. Subtlety is a double-edged sword after all. When used correctly it can be really powerful, but screw it up and all it does is distance the audience from the struggle. I think that's pretty much what happened here.

Eh. I didn't think there was a lack of storytelling, but that the storytelling itself was mediocre and overdone, with the plot being pure drivel. It was ridiculous, trying to extract drama from a source that had none. I'm just glad this is over so that I don't have to hear anything more about this.

I wholeheartedly applaud the creators' effort and dedication that they have so clearly put into this, but I can't help but criticize the end product.

Really, the creators should've killed their darling here. As has been stated in the interview:

Who came up with setting the Mushroom Kingdom in a film noir story?

This really began when Zach brought up in a conversation just how screwed up Kirby is as a character, when you get down to it. He eats people, then wears their skin. This lead us into a comparison with Silence of the Lambs, and we just kept building on to this twisted, dark, adult world of Nintendo. A few hours later, we stopped and decided "Why the hell not? Let's actually make this!"

The story up until now had grown way beyond that simple comparison. To keep it as the core of the story just doesn't feel right at all.

What I mean is that the story, to me at least, was all about the heroes (Luigi & Mario & friends) versus the dons, with the butcher as a means for the dons' goals. That as the central conflict. But in the end, it were the dons that were the butcher's means. The grand-scale the plot was working towards totally disconnected with the small-scale butcher it was revealed to be all about.

The kirby gimmick should've been a side plot.

This. This. 1000x this.

 

[Wolveria]

Most amazing webseries I've ever seen... absolutely unbelievable.

I hope I wasn't the only one tearing up during the last couple episodes. You know its got it when something can tug at your heartstrings.

 

[escapist_wolfand]

Okay I have three questions

1- Does anyone have the causality list?
2- Whens the DvD coming?
3- Can we get a picture of the Characters that survived in one amazing group shot?

causalities...that'd be nice, like a "dedicated to:" then give a list of all the characters who died....in fact i might just do that xP

DVD: according to the TWBB forums, either January or February of 2010

and i would kill anyone, throw away a klondike bar, be personally responsible for or relive Red's death, and shoot chuck norris in the face with a BFG9000 for that picture.

 

[escapist_wolfand]

Mother. Fucking. Epic. Thank you all, every man, woman and child who was even associated with anyone who worked even for two seconds on any aspect of this series. I have only one minor gripe with the entire thing- the lack of closure. The ending is almost like a sequel hook, but as far as I know, there isn't any sort of continuation planned. It leaves me craving more. All in all, though, great series, awesome job, and long live Matthew Mercer and Zach Grafton.

LONG LIVE MATTHEW!!!

LONG LIVE ZACH!!!

 

[TheZaius]

Usual Suspects ending?

Waluigi is Keyser Söze!

*watches Waluigi drop his helmet and get into a car, where he drives off*

 

[chieften]

My only complaint is that there was no Master Hand. Otherwise it was supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.

 

[Lucifron]

This is to those who complain about the lack of storytelling. The plot made every bit of sense. I know it hurts your pride to hear this, but you either weren't paying attention to detail, or you aren't capable of understanding subtlety. Sorry, I know you're mad, but it was all there regardless of how you feel. Inference is a very powerful tool.

Kirby made sense, he was a mastermind. Ness and Lucas are deranged psychic children trained by Mewtwo from the orphanage. Originally they were unleashed to appease Olimar's 'demons', or the proletariat of the Mushroom Kingdom (G&W is an allegory for the original residents being forced into labor positions). When Ness and Lucas continued the killing spree, Ganondorf lost control, but everything was working toward Kirby's plan (he knew they would get out of control). Kirby wants chaos, that is what his legacy will hold, and if he could cause chaos from behind bars, that just makes him happier. And that cliffhanger ending does not mean a sequel is necessary and it is excellent storytelling! It is a device used to tell you that the Mario Bros' job is never over, and that "to secure peace is to prepare for war."

Your second paragraph is not what's the problem here. Sure, subtlety is an effective and striking method of storytelling when used correctly, but the line between a subtle plot and a muddled one is very fine indeed. Without a substantial knowledge of Nintendo esoterica, much of the plot becomes lost. The creators of the series take way too much for granted when it comes to this. I for one had no idea of who e.g. Metaknight, Dedede, Daisy or "the demons" were before watching TWBB, and the characters I didn't bother researching are even more numerous. Because of this, much of what was likely very effective storytelling in your case became muddled randomness for me. Another thing that does not help at all is the pseudo-italian accents of the main cast, for yet more subtleties are lost through this unless one reviews scenes again; this being something which is not a hallmark of good storytelling. Simply adding captions would have done wonders for TWBB.
Note that I otherwise have very few gripes with this excellent webseries.

 

[Jonci]

There's a rumor going around, that I'm starting here, that the DVD will have an alternative ending. The source of this info was very drunk at the time, so he could have been making a joke.

 

[Ardna Xela]

Finally got around to watch the finale and all I can say is: That was epic! Did not expect the ending at all, very well done. *Sigh* I'm quite sad that it's over, I could've watched this show until the end of time.

I did enjoy the credits as well. "Sakurai's Dead Legs" had me in stitches!

And on a final note: DVD please ^_^

 

[Punisher A.J.]

....Excellent., Just...excellent.
By far one of the greatest series of anything ever.
I honestly hope there is a DVD

There is [http://therewillbebrawl.forumotion.net/there-will-be-brawl-the-web-series-f1/upcoming-dvd-release-in-2010-t390.htm]

Yay. ..Just...YAY

sorry if I may ask but why pay for what is free? I mean I loved the series and who ever wrote it is a genius but i'm still not going to pay for it.

 

[Incredible Bullshitting Man]

....Excellent., Just...excellent.
By far one of the greatest series of anything ever.
I honestly hope there is a DVD

There is [http://therewillbebrawl.forumotion.net/there-will-be-brawl-the-web-series-f1/upcoming-dvd-release-in-2010-t390.htm]

Yay. ..Just...YAY

sorry if I may ask but why pay for what is free? I mean I loved the series and who ever wrote it is a genius but i'm still not going to pay for it.

Perhaps some just are more willing than others to support their favourite web series crew financially. It´s as good a method to show appreciation as any, I think. Plus, the possible DVD is bound to have extra goodies, which ought to interest fans.

 

[Neo0MJ]

Good, but could have been better. Aside from the usual complaints, I was disappointed when the earthbound boys ended up being the killers (Not unexpected,shows like these can have anyone as the killer). I always thought of them as some of the most uncorruptable N characters, especially Ness. Of course, that might be what Paula was thinking at the end.

 

[Monshroud]

To everyone who created and worked on There Will Be Brawl, thank you for making this, you did an incredible job and made something very original. I hope you are all proud, and rake in some good money when you drop this on DVD/Blu-Ray.

Thanks also to The Escapist for hosting it. Since it doesn't really fit the 5 min a week mold. I'm really happy you chose to host this.

 

[The Cheezy One]

just amazing
poor link, and zelda, stringing him along