Kibeth41 said:
You pretty much fucking defended my point in most of your rebuttals?
Not particularly, but it was dark when I typed it so I don't guarantee maximum mental faculties at that hour.
Okay then, $300 will get you a semi decent PC with second hand parts. You're comparing the price of a second hand PC to a new Xbox One? *gasp* turns out that second hand Xbox Ones are cheaper too!!! Xbox's are cheaper.
It's a cheapo arms race but in the end, the console is(most likely) to be the cheapest. But you get what you pay for, in all cases.
There are quite a few people who don't want to spend 3 days trying to figure out how to build their PC. This was exactly my point.
Or like, what, half an hour max on YouTube and a few hours to assemble, all things depending? Of course, you can always get it assembled and I think NCIX has or had this service for fifty bucks? Thereabouts?
You use Steam, Battle.net, Origins and the fucking distributor for the Windows titles then. It's none of the prior. Still a fucking lot of different places for games to be supplied from. Compared to the fact that ALL Xbox games are in a singular place
I'll give you a lot of it being in one location, but you get the downside of there being no competition and prices are all preset and rarely budge. Steam I can bring in $60 and get away like a bandit while on the XBLM, you'll rarely see sales and when you do, it's often barely worth it. Unless things have really changed and Microsoft got their stick out of their ass, and publishers started caring to give deals on consoles as well.
And no, consoles don't tend to come with options. Aside from one or two on the system settings. It's nothing compared to configuring a menu for EVERY. FUCKING. GAME.
Actually, it's been getting more common for at least one setting to be related to performance. I believe Watch Dogs had a setting dealing with Vsync or AA for performance over visual fidelity, and I know from years back that Frontlines even had one for Vsync if the frame tearing was killing you.
It's not common but it's becoming much more of a thing than it was, which is to say ever.
Not even mentioning that most PC games have presets for extremely simple changes in general detail, and that a lot of console ports tended to skimp on the options. You're thinking of Serious Sam 3 if you think it's a wall of options that never ends. Slap shit on low, medium or high based on what you sunk into your system and mayb fiddle for a minute further to fix crappy presets and you're set for the game.
Jesus Christ. Actually read my point again, please.
I literally never said that people CAN'T setup PCs. I stated that most people DON'T WANT TO.
No, you said:
Not everyone has nor wants to learn the knowledge required for PC setups and games. It's good that Microsoft are accommodating preference.
You effectively said they can't. I'm arguing that these days, it's typically supreme laziness that makes people buy consoles with the mindset of it being too much effort. Which there is no problem there but the argument that people don't know the basics of a PC and don't want to is almost nonexistent because people are coming into these fields with smartphones, and console decisions also go between "which one runs/does X better and what has X?".
Reread my first comment again. Literally everything I pointed out there is a fact that supports the idea that consoles are a purchase of convenience, while a PC is a purchase of quality.
The argument of convenience is quickly going out the window, along with Microsoft as they were pushing hard for complication to the process of just sticking a disc in, and for the next console generation, I imagine they might just try and go all the way in that direction.
And then we'll get a sequel to this.
I don't even know what I'm typing anymore. But I'll respond to your other post too!
Kibeth41 said:
I want you to attempt this for me. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who doesn't know anything about games. They are ONLY JUST deciding now that they want to get into gaming. Years ago you used to enjoy playing the Nintendo 64, PS1 etc, but you've been out of the technology loop for a while.
Don't make me miss the glory years man.
How are you more likely to buy a console?
-By doing research online until you see someone suggest that you find a PC distributor who will assemble a PC for you
-doing research into what components you need, why you need them, and what the best components are.
-Going into Bestbuy and seeing expensive name brand PCs
-By going into Gamestop and buying an Xbox One.
Not really posing real choices here, are you? I'd be thinking "maybe it's time to finally get into the Mustard Race considering the Xbone is underpowered and overpriced while a PS4 is a better option. But the PS4 also has most of the games I want also on PC.
...
God I hope KHIII is getting a PC release." Which is also one of my sole reasons for buying a PS4 in the future.
How much are they likely to spend?
-$300 for an Xbox One
-$600+ for a decent PC which the retailer suggests
If I want to get ripped off, sure, I'll buy a prebuilt PC retail. But in the spirit of the question, I'd be looking at what does what. A PC does a loooooot more than an Xbone. This is a similar situation to what the PS3 went through when it launched. A lot of people bought it JUST because it was one of the first(and remained the best) blu-ray players on the market, even while costing Five Hundred And Ninety Nine US Dollars.
Where is it easier to buy games?
-From various online distributrs such as Steam, Origins, Battle.net, GoG, Humblestore etc
-From the store tab of the Xbox One
Depending on who is your primary place to buy games, it's about as simple. Steam sits in the corner for me to get games and friends to tell me to "FUCKING BUY IT IT'S FUN", Origin... never touches my system, Battle.net is for Blizzard players, GoG is for dat DRM free and being able to keep your games however and whenever(major plus over consoles. If the marketplace stops being supported then you're screwed, and that time is approaching for the 360), and Humblestore typically gives me Steam keys and DRM free installers, leading back to Steam and a similar situation to GOG. It's easier based on what you do. The key here being you actually have OPTIONS.
Where is the more convenient storage place for games?
-The 'games' tab of the Xbox One
-The Steamapps folder within the programs folder within the hard drive storage location which is sitting among all of these other folders which you know you shouldn't quite touch.
Ignoring that you can install Steam and your games wherever you want, you're acting like you're ever going to go into the specific game install folder unless there is a very important reason to. Otherwise, the game sits in your Steam library page, while you can't even access the internals of the game on an Xbone, so this isn't even a comparison. You're grasping at straws trying to make it sound scary to even have a game installed.
PC fanboys who so densely and blindly deny that there is any convenience to a console are just annoying. No, there's no technical advantage to owning a console. But there is still a HUGE advantage of convenience.
An advantage that has been shrinking since the last console generation, and with the influx of upgrade consoles, might have the last nail in the coffin. You can't even buy a damn console now without running into the bogeyman that console fanboys try and flaunt around PC gamers. The Xbone was underpowered at launch and now anyone who bought it is looking in the face of not one, but TWO successors just around the corner. The era of consoles being as simple as they were quite a time ago are long, long gone and it's annoying as hell.
The issue with you people is that you're so vain that you expect yourself to be the primary demographic. Try getting off the internet, talking to real people, and you'll see that they don't want to go through all of the bullshit of buying a PC when there's an easier an alternative in the form of consoles.
I... talk to real, flesh and blood, breathing people all of the time. They're kind of annoyed as well and have taken the upgrade consoles as reason to jump ship to PC gaming because there are now so few benefits to a console for all of the bullshit you need to go through these days. I basically AM the primary demographic.
I am and have been a console guy through and through for years and all of my PCs have been extreme toasters, but because of a giant backlog of games I'd love to play at framerates that won't induce eye cancer and because of consoles basically being PCs, or even PHONES now, I've decided to just sink a good load of money into a PC that will last me for quite some time and will have the effort I put into it. Consoles stopped doing it for me when hardware just failed and I kept having to buy another because it was out of warranty and that if I replaced the broken components myself, I could be banned from online play by the manufacturer. If something on my PC stops working, I have a good warranty and I can just replace the part with ease. Well, a Mobo is slightly more of a hassle but at least I can do it.
Someone call Trump, I've made the wall and it's composed entirely of text!
