There's a huge pile of crap on pizza I bought...
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True, reheated pasta is better for you. Or rather, pasta that has cooled down is better for you, reheating it just makes it warm again.hanselthecaretaker said:
But I don't think reheated pasta tastes better. To me, it still tastes the best when you first made it.
The thing is, most people don't care. There were whistle blowers since Oblivions Horse armor ( this is the earliest i can remember), people just really don't care. Either they will buy the games and not spend a dime or buy the game and pick which shit is worth the money. The few that do care are not influencial enough to make a difference. And the even fewer that are influencial don't reach enough people for it to matter.
So it's utterly pointless. Everything you said, while correct, is already well known by anyone who purchases games for themselves (I.E: grandmas birthday Gifts). The reality is that they don't care. And then the people ( like myself) who has been against these practices for close to a decade are too old and tired to keep ringing the alarm that fall on deaf ears. Personally i can't be arsed to care anymore, the war has been lost. I just eat my shit covered pizza and hope it was good enough to sustain me until i order the next one.
So it's utterly pointless. Everything you said, while correct, is already well known by anyone who purchases games for themselves (I.E: grandmas birthday Gifts). The reality is that they don't care. And then the people ( like myself) who has been against these practices for close to a decade are too old and tired to keep ringing the alarm that fall on deaf ears. Personally i can't be arsed to care anymore, the war has been lost. I just eat my shit covered pizza and hope it was good enough to sustain me until i order the next one.
I understand where you are coming from but such attitude is really close to apathy and you shouldn't let that get you down like that. Ofcourse doesn't change the fact that what you brought up is true. People kept on ignoring the turd and eating around. Crap pile kept on growing.Lufia Erim said:
From my point of view, everything has its boiling point, a break point if you please and last year crapping on anything and everything went from selctive experiments to pushing boundries of inavoidable.
Yes, likely, others will just try to carefully eat around and grasp at excuses to not lose every last shred of self respect they might have had or just gobble down the shit pretending it's awsome and other should do that too.
Myself, at this point I am for legislative ban on selling people crap and will support any motion going that way. EU probably will lead the way since they itch to regulate pretty much anything.
Point is, why buy it at all? It's full of shit. You support companies that treat you like garbage and sell you crap.Chewster said:
You're giving them $5 instead of $50 or $500? At that point they will take that off your hands with a laugh and push you down to your fill of crap.
They already got all of the money they wanted out of it and are half way towards next ploy. Possibility to get bonus from you is just them laughing in your face. Literally taking the bill with badly concealed surprise how on earth you didn't figure out to just pirate the damn thing already.
Mind you I think you should neither pirate or buy it. Just be aloof. Plenty of crapless pizza available
I certainly dislike micro transactions as much as the next fella but was more referring to all the extras that are spread out over a game's release. Day one stuff and DLC and that noise. But yes, micro transactions can go to hell and stay there.Jamcie Kerbizz said:Point is, why buy it at all? It's full of shit. You support companies that treat you like garbage and sell you crap.Chewster said:
You're giving them $5 instead of $50 or $500? At that point they will take that off your hands with a laugh and push you down to your fill of crap.
They already got all of the money they wanted out of it and are half way towards next ploy. Possibility to get bonus from you is just them laughing in your face. Literally taking the bill with badly concealed surprise how on earth you didn't figure out to just pirate the damn thing already.
Mind you I think you should neither pirate or buy it. Just be aloof. Plenty of crapless pizza available
And yes, if they realized people wete doing that instead of lapping up games as soon as they were out, buying preorders etc. of course they would stop all this madness. They'd have to becauuse they wouldn't be making any money initially from a game's release. They only get away with what we let them.
You're right.Chewster said:
Also I had an afterthought about the whole premise of me starting this thread.
I don't mock or condemn people who still get that figurative pizza despite what's being catered with it. Neither see them as some sort of deplorables, that undermine the good fight etc. - insert any zelous rhetoric, which fanatics use to dehumanise non-believers.
It is ment to be more of self deprecating humour, commentary of rather sad recent events surrounding actual gaming, all made in form of less obvious discussion about the topic (at least on the cover) so it wouldn't actually be jumped by overzealous people immediately (there's someone already on another thread having a meltdown over people being upset about predatory practices in monetizing games)
...and I guess I was hungry and had a pizza in mind too
Re-heating pizza in the oven works like 100x better than the microwave.hanselthecaretaker said:
True to that but the OP point still holds true as well. Sometimes the oven makes the crust too crusty though too. Olive oil helps but fresh is only fresh once.Phoenixmgs said:
You're right. If most people waited at least a week or two before buying that new shiny game, publishers would start to panic very quickly. As that's how they rate the success of a game these days. How much it sells in the first week or two. Of course it would be even better if people didn't buy games with 'shit' in them at all, or maybe at a huge discount a few months later. But that won't ever happen...too many people making excuses for why the shit isn't bad and buying the new shiny anyway because they can't control their impulses.Chewster said:
On that note, I wonder how things would go without hype culture. As I bet hype is one of the major reasons many people can't resist buying games with shit in them.
It is always online, so far that hasn't been a drawback. It has an item store that sells cosmetics and inventory space but in my time playing it the marketing load is as unobtrusive as you could possibly want. A small icon (no words) indicating you could get more space on your inventory screens and a static banner on the title screen with links to the cosmetic store.Bombiz said:
No loot boxes as far as I can tell or if they have it the marketing is so minimal that I'm not aware of it.
The game is free as in beer and acknowledging that the developers need to pay for rent and food it is a pretty agreeable compromise.
The reason I'm against always online in D3 and not in this game is because D3 charges you for the box AND then sticks you with the always online bullshit. PoE is always online but the whole game is free, not just a marketing-laden demo. I agree with you PoE would be better if there was a "fully single player/lan" mode but I'm willing to compromise in this case.
where you their before they fixed the horrendous lag? cause it used to rubber band a lotrembrandtqeinstein said:
eh. they have them but it's very minimal. example: you can buy the fire box and get 5 micro transactions that relate to fire
this is where you and I differ. if it's bad for a full priced title then it's bad all around. even if it's free.
I guess i'm just getting old. I don't have it in me to fight anymore. I can barely be bothered to comment on forums, discussions, debates. 10 years ago though, i would have been the first to run through the door to rally the troops. Now a days? You're lucky to see me wag my finger at things within the gaming community i disagree with. The whole Dlc, disc locked content, micro transaction, corruption etc... has taken it's toll. To tired to continue swiming against the current. I'm ready to just let it take me under. The fight is now in the hands in the future generation of gamers.Jamcie Kerbizz said:
Which isn't a comforting thought. Because what we have now is what they will grow up with. It's all they are going to know. So to them it's going to be normal. And it will just get worst.
*Shrug* As I've said .....many....many times, the problem is that gamers have all the self-control of heroin addicts. People like to say it isn't true but it is. Sure, sometimes the dealer has to lighten up slightly to reel their market back in but, in the end, almost of all of the addicts will keep coming back.
This discussion has been going on since horse armor (Funny story: Back then, Gamespot did a poll asking what is the worst trend in gaming. Instead of picking the logical choice of "DLC", short-sighted gamers voted in "bad console launches" as the worst.) and it isn't going away. It is also not going to get better because gamers are going to continue to need their "fix" and they will endure any amount of abuse to get it.
This discussion has been going on since horse armor (Funny story: Back then, Gamespot did a poll asking what is the worst trend in gaming. Instead of picking the logical choice of "DLC", short-sighted gamers voted in "bad console launches" as the worst.) and it isn't going away. It is also not going to get better because gamers are going to continue to need their "fix" and they will endure any amount of abuse to get it.
This, I think, is the question to be asking. Viral marketing and social media are such that it seems like things get blown out of proportion. Just as a recent example, yesterday I was watching the new Red Dead Redemption 2 trailer and I was curious who the voice actor for the main guy is, because he sounds oddly familiar. So I go searching, end up on the RDR Reddit and people are practically orgasming over the dude's voice-over in the trailer. Actual quotes about a game we barely have any info on: "Artur Morgan Voice Acting is unbelievable. GODLY ROCKSTAR" and "Thank you rockstar. i think i will also buy PS4 Pro, just for this game. There better be a bundle available day-one," and possibly my favorite, "I'm literally a film fanatic and I completely agree. I feel there's a Henry Fonda like charm from his character Frank in 'Once Upon a Time in the West' with Arthur Morgan." Really? From what, six lines of fucking dialogue? Are you kidding me?sanquin said:
And I get it. Red Dead Redemption was an excellent game and the sequel will probably be excellent too but trailers are cut in such a way as to get you to want to consume the media. It's an advertisement, it's meant to suck you in. Godly Rockstar? Come the fuck on.
Honestly, we do this to ourselves.
You could wait and get the pizza for 92%+ off it's original price. Nearly getting the pizza at the price it should have been if it was going to include all of this shit. Free.
How's a free game supposed to make money if everything is free?Bombiz said:
I agree. An f2p game needs to make money somehow. It's understandable that they would have micro transactions or other such things. Sure it's still bad when the f2p game becomes pay to win or at least gives paying customers so many advantages that it's pointless to play the game without paying. But you can't expect professionally made games to be fully free.Captain Marvelous said:
Maybe its because I don't buy games at MSRP, are season passes that bad? Im from the states, some of things I say might not effect you but don't buy games at full price at launch. Black Friday is in a month and the week after Christmas has better discounts. Most games get a 10-20 dollar discount and digital currencies usually go on sale for a 10-20% discount.
If you are a console gamer in the states buy gamer's club unlocked. For 30 bucks you get 20% off of all new games, 10% off of used games. Also you 20% off of Amiibo if you want to deal with that shit show. There is also shittier version of gamers club unlocked, Amazon prime, which has 20% off of New releases.
Also wait a year and get the game of the year edition. Granted if its a online shooter, you want to buy that at the release that way you don't get Destroyed by better players and sometimes online communities die off a year later.
If you are a console gamer in the states buy gamer's club unlocked. For 30 bucks you get 20% off of all new games, 10% off of used games. Also you 20% off of Amiibo if you want to deal with that shit show. There is also shittier version of gamers club unlocked, Amazon prime, which has 20% off of New releases.
Also wait a year and get the game of the year edition. Granted if its a online shooter, you want to buy that at the release that way you don't get Destroyed by better players and sometimes online communities die off a year later.