There's a huge trojan in my comp and i have a plan. will it work?

[AstylahAthrys]

Last time I got a virus, I just backed up all my important shit and reformatted my hard drive and re-installed Windows. Google how to factory restore your particular computer, follow the steps, and do it. It's easier if you are able to keep the steps up with you on a family member's computer or a phone.

 

[brainslurper]

I don't think there has been a fully functional mac virus since Mac OS 9 (Apple equivalent of windows 95/98). Nice try, though.

I'll trust Symantec [http://searchg.symantec.com/search?q=mac&x=0&y=0&charset=utf-8&nh=10&hitsceil=100&st=1&proxystylesheet=symc_en_US&client=symc_en_US&site=symc_en_US_vir&output=xml_no_dtd&context=ent] over some unsubstantiated post on the internet.

I'm not sure what point a symantec search for "mac" is trying to convey, but it certainly isn't helping your argument.

Most of the pages in that search result are OSX viruses....

The argument then becomes a tautology.

Re-read. Most of the results have to do with your MAC address. Others are trojans. Call me when you have a credible virus for OS X 10.6+

Mac Protector trojan. That took me twelve seconds to find on google.

Anyone who thinks macs aren't safe when a google search for 'Mac Virus OSX 10.6' comes up with something as easy as that, when a Symantec search for Mac comes up with 'Security vulnerabilities' and mac.Simpsons...

You're not even trying. Your OS isn't safe. No OS is safe; the most common vehicle for intrusion in a system is social engineering, and no OS out there has solved THAT problem.

The fact that "Mac Protector trojan" has the word trojan in it. Do I really have to explain the differences between a virus and a trojan to you?

 

[brainslurper]

It's certainly not a common practice for mac users, because I have never had a mac fail. Ever.

And I've never had a PC running windows fail. Ever. You're confusing software with hardware. Apple computer hardware is no different from the hardware used in generic PC's. You know what makes macs different aside from the shiny case and apple logo? Operating system.

The computer you listed is $1099, and even if it was $999 you would have disproved your point entirely.

Looks like 999 to me. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1412975

And thats forgetting the cost of upgrading windows (Think $700+ a year for windows and $30 for OS X)

This is a joke right? 3 windows 7 professional licenses cost 139. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5213934 Even then, out of the box computers have an OS pre installed, you don't have to buy it after the fact unless you're building a system from scratch.

There are people who paid for Windows XP once in 2001, and are STILL using it. Windows OS is versatile enough that it doesn't require monthly upgrades (Obvious exaggeration). Steam survey says that 16.76% of steam users still have windows XP. Anyone using Windows XP can use the most recent version of iTunes, unfortunately any mac user with an older OS can't http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/may/21/apple-upgrades-itunes-version

On top of that, you get the DVD and can install it on any computer, but then again, I guess you can get the OS from Apple and install it on....oh wait.

and the cost of antivirus.

I'm with you about that, AVG free costs waaaay too much. http://free.avg.com/ca-en/homepage

A 11% market share would explain why 11% of viruses are for OS X, but it wouldn't explain why 0% of viruses are for OS X.

Don't think it works like that. 1) There isn't zero viruses for OSX as DracoSuave pointed out and 2) Percentage of total viruses isn't directly proportional to market share.

Guess what I can do? I can go to whatever site I want, download whatever the fuck I want, and run it. That is something windows users, no matter how much money they pay for their anti virus, will never be able to say.

...so can I.
Run this without installing windows or an emulator.
http://www.stealthbastard.com/

Or 90% of the steam store catalogue.

Microsoft store says differently ($199 one-license windows 7 upgrade VS. 30$ five-license lion upgrade)
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/en_US/pd/productID.216645600/categoryID.50726100/list.true
The only real benefit of windows is directx11, which isn't compatible with windows xp.
There are trojans for OS X, but there are zero viruses.
AVG? AHAHAHAAHAHAH GOOD ONE!
While it wouldn't be directly proportional, it doesn't take a genius to realize that there is other reasons for the lack of viruses on OS X.
I have an ugly windows tower sitting in the corner for gaming, but I am going to try that game out.

Edit: About the reliability thing. Sure, you can argue that the components are the same, but that certainly isn't stopping apple from being in second place in reliability, and getting 1st place in customer satisfaction 8 years in a row.
http://www.rescuecom.com/2011-computer-reliability-report.html
http://www.theacsi.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=262ress-release-september-2011&catid=14&Itemid=287%0A

 

[brainslurper]

It's certainly not a common practice for mac users, because I have never had a mac fail. Ever. The computer you listed is $1099, and even if it was $999 you would have disproved your point entirely. And thats forgetting the cost of upgrading windows (Think $700+ a year for windows and $30 for OS X) and the cost of antivirus. A 11% market share would explain why 11% of viruses are for OS X, but it wouldn't explain why 0% of viruses are for OS X. Guess what I can do? I can go to whatever site I want, download whatever the fuck I want, and run it. That is something windows users, no matter how much money they pay for their anti virus, will never be able to say.

Who upgrades Windows every year and pays for an antivirus?

People who don't want to get viruses and want directx11?

 

[MysticToast]

It's certainly not a common practice for mac users, because I have never had a mac fail. Ever. The computer you listed is $1099, and even if it was $999 you would have disproved your point entirely. And thats forgetting the cost of upgrading windows (Think $700+ a year for windows and $30 for OS X) and the cost of antivirus. A 11% market share would explain why 11% of viruses are for OS X, but it wouldn't explain why 0% of viruses are for OS X. Guess what I can do? I can go to whatever site I want, download whatever the fuck I want, and run it. That is something windows users, no matter how much money they pay for their anti virus, will never be able to say.

Who upgrades Windows every year and pays for an antivirus?

People who don't want to get viruses and want directx11?

lol you trolling? Unless you're a large business, you don't need to pay for an antivirus. As for DX11, you buy Windows 7, you've got it. If you're buying a laptop, you'll probably get W7 with it anyway....

 

[Waaghpowa]

Microsoft store says differently ($199 one-license windows 7 upgrade VS. 30$ five-license lion upgrade)

You seem to misunderstand. A windows upgrade isn't half the OS that you're purchasing, it the exact same OS as the full version but intended to be used by people who already have a computer running an older OS rather than reformatting and reinstalling. You can also do a clean install with an upgrade disc.

The Upgrade license is for PCs that already have Windows XP or Windows Vista installed. This version includes the same features as the Full Version license.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5213934&SRCCODE=BIZRATE&cm_mmc_o=2mHCjCmtB5ObkkzCjCVqHCjCdwwp&cpncode=27-64739845-2
That is a full license, not an upgrade, for 139. With a full license you can install it on ANY computer.

There are trojans for OS X, but there are zero viruses.

Then why did you suggest that the OP get a mac if he has a Trojan?

AVG? AHAHAHAAHAHAH GOOD ONE!

Lots of people use AVG as well as Avast free http://www.avast.com/free-antivirus-download which is also the most used anti virus according to steam survey. Most basic anti virus is good enough, being connected to the internet doesn't turn on a sign that says "come and fuck my day up".

I have an ugly windows tower sitting in the corner for gaming, but I am going to try that game out.

Considering you said:

Guess what I can do? I can go to whatever site I want, download whatever the fuck I want, and run it.

I'll take that as admission of your mac not being able to do everything and run anything. I'll also take anything else you ignored as admission of defeat.

 

[brainslurper]

It's certainly not a common practice for mac users, because I have never had a mac fail. Ever. The computer you listed is $1099, and even if it was $999 you would have disproved your point entirely. And thats forgetting the cost of upgrading windows (Think $700+ a year for windows and $30 for OS X) and the cost of antivirus. A 11% market share would explain why 11% of viruses are for OS X, but it wouldn't explain why 0% of viruses are for OS X. Guess what I can do? I can go to whatever site I want, download whatever the fuck I want, and run it. That is something windows users, no matter how much money they pay for their anti virus, will never be able to say.

Who upgrades Windows every year and pays for an antivirus?

People who don't want to get viruses and want directx11?

lol you trolling? Unless you're a large business, you don't need to pay for an antivirus. As for DX11, you buy Windows 7, you've got it. If you're buying a laptop, you'll probably get W7 with it anyway....

Exactly. If you are running XP then you would need to upgrade to windows 7 in order to get DX11. No large businesses run windows servers, but if you want to maintain the same level of efficiency you would have without an antivirus asking for your permission to do everything, none of the free anti viruses will work.

 

[MysticToast]

It's certainly not a common practice for mac users, because I have never had a mac fail. Ever. The computer you listed is $1099, and even if it was $999 you would have disproved your point entirely. And thats forgetting the cost of upgrading windows (Think $700+ a year for windows and $30 for OS X) and the cost of antivirus. A 11% market share would explain why 11% of viruses are for OS X, but it wouldn't explain why 0% of viruses are for OS X. Guess what I can do? I can go to whatever site I want, download whatever the fuck I want, and run it. That is something windows users, no matter how much money they pay for their anti virus, will never be able to say.

Who upgrades Windows every year and pays for an antivirus?

People who don't want to get viruses and want directx11?

lol you trolling? Unless you're a large business, you don't need to pay for an antivirus. As for DX11, you buy Windows 7, you've got it. If you're buying a laptop, you'll probably get W7 with it anyway....

Exactly. If you are running XP then you would need to upgrade to windows 7 in order to get DX11. No large businesses run windows servers, but if you want to maintain the same level of efficiency you would have without an antivirus asking for your permission to do everything, none of the free anti viruses will work.

I wasn't aware we were talking about businesses. Considering the OP was about a personal computer and all.

 

[brainslurper]

Microsoft store says differently ($199 one-license windows 7 upgrade VS. 30$ five-license lion upgrade)

You seem to misunderstand. A windows upgrade isn't half the OS that you're purchasing, it the exact same OS as the full version but intended to be used by people who already have a computer running an older OS rather than reformatting and reinstalling. You can also do a clean install with an upgrade disc.

The Upgrade license is for PCs that already have Windows XP or Windows Vista installed. This version includes the same features as the Full Version license.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5213934&SRCCODE=BIZRATE&cm_mmc_o=2mHCjCmtB5ObkkzCjCVqHCjCdwwp&cpncode=27-64739845-2
That is a full license, not an upgrade, for 139. With a full license you can install it on ANY computer.

There are trojans for OS X, but there are zero viruses.

Then why did you suggest that the OP get a mac if he has a Trojan?

AVG? AHAHAHAAHAHAH GOOD ONE!

Lots of people use AVG as well as Avast free http://www.avast.com/free-antivirus-download which is also the most used anti virus according to steam survey. Most basic anti virus is good enough, being connected to the internet doesn't turn on a sign that says "come and fuck my day up".

I have an ugly windows tower sitting in the corner for gaming, but I am going to try that game out.

Considering you said:

Guess what I can do? I can go to whatever site I want, download whatever the fuck I want, and run it.

I'll take that as admission of your mac not being able to do everything and run anything. I'll also take anything else you ignored as admission of defeat.

Okay, and I'll take every word that you have said so far as "I admit to being wrong about everything". Was that so hard?
If you had as many incoming connections as I do, then you would know how many people exist for the sole purpose of fucking up your day.
The simple truth is that a mac can run in a nearly threat free environment, do everything better then windows, and then can boot into windows for steam. That way you can have all the benefits of OS X and Windows, without the shortcomings of either. I bought the windows tower because I wanted to lower the workload on my iMac. Hackintosh is a funny joke, before you try to bring that up.
I said that if OP had a mac, we wouldn't be having this discussion. This, and the other thousands of windows trojans out there won't do shit to a mac.

 

[brainslurper]

It's certainly not a common practice for mac users, because I have never had a mac fail. Ever. The computer you listed is $1099, and even if it was $999 you would have disproved your point entirely. And thats forgetting the cost of upgrading windows (Think $700+ a year for windows and $30 for OS X) and the cost of antivirus. A 11% market share would explain why 11% of viruses are for OS X, but it wouldn't explain why 0% of viruses are for OS X. Guess what I can do? I can go to whatever site I want, download whatever the fuck I want, and run it. That is something windows users, no matter how much money they pay for their anti virus, will never be able to say.

Who upgrades Windows every year and pays for an antivirus?

People who don't want to get viruses and want directx11?

lol you trolling? Unless you're a large business, you don't need to pay for an antivirus. As for DX11, you buy Windows 7, you've got it. If you're buying a laptop, you'll probably get W7 with it anyway....

Exactly. If you are running XP then you would need to upgrade to windows 7 in order to get DX11. No large businesses run windows servers, but if you want to maintain the same level of efficiency you would have without an antivirus asking for your permission to do everything, none of the free anti viruses will work.

I wasn't aware we were talking about businesses. Considering the OP was about a personal computer and all.

"Unless you're a large business, you don't need to pay for an antivirus"-You.
Do you have short term memory loss?

 

[MysticToast]

It's certainly not a common practice for mac users, because I have never had a mac fail. Ever. The computer you listed is $1099, and even if it was $999 you would have disproved your point entirely. And thats forgetting the cost of upgrading windows (Think $700+ a year for windows and $30 for OS X) and the cost of antivirus. A 11% market share would explain why 11% of viruses are for OS X, but it wouldn't explain why 0% of viruses are for OS X. Guess what I can do? I can go to whatever site I want, download whatever the fuck I want, and run it. That is something windows users, no matter how much money they pay for their anti virus, will never be able to say.

Who upgrades Windows every year and pays for an antivirus?

People who don't want to get viruses and want directx11?

lol you trolling? Unless you're a large business, you don't need to pay for an antivirus. As for DX11, you buy Windows 7, you've got it. If you're buying a laptop, you'll probably get W7 with it anyway....

Exactly. If you are running XP then you would need to upgrade to windows 7 in order to get DX11. No large businesses run windows servers, but if you want to maintain the same level of efficiency you would have without an antivirus asking for your permission to do everything, none of the free anti viruses will work.

I wasn't aware we were talking about businesses. Considering the OP was about a personal computer and all.

"Unless you're a large business, you don't need to pay for an antivirus"-You.
Do you have short term memory loss?

.....really? I brought up large businesses to make my point about antivirus programs

 

[Waaghpowa]

Okay, and I'll take every word that you have said so far as "I admit to being wrong about everything". Was that so hard?
If you had as many incoming connections as I do, then you would know how many people exist for the sole purpose of fucking up your day.
The simple truth is that a mac can run in a nearly threat free environment, do everything better then windows, and then can boot into windows for steam. That way you can have all the benefits of OS X and Windows, without the shortcomings of either. I bought the windows tower because I wanted to lower the workload on my iMac. Hackintosh is a funny joke, before you try to bring that up.
I said that if OP had a mac, we wouldn't be having this discussion. This, and the other thousands of windows trojans out there won't do shit to a mac.

Funny story, I'm not wrong. Nearly risk free, is still not risk free. There is always risk. And as I've said before, the only difference between macs and PC is the OS. Whatever you can do, I can do just as well if not better and I don't have to make multiple boots with different OS's to do it or have multiple computers to do it. I always find the irony in mac tards going on about how shit windows is and how much better OS X is, then turn around and dual boot windows because apparently Apple OS can't do what they want it to do. It's so great, I need a second OS!

The fact you constantly side step my points leads me to believe that you're so brainwashed that there's no reasoning with you, so let this be the end of this argument and you can continue to live the delusion that you are somehow superior for being "safer". Trojans and viruses are a threat regardless of your choice of OS, whether you get them or not boils down to your own level of competence.

And I guarantee that despite the fact that I wont respond further, you'll attempt to get the last word in anyway.

I'll also leave this: http://www.gamersuniversity.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/shouldntbuymac.jpg

 

[MysticToast]

Funny story, I'm not wrong. Nearly risk free, is still not risk free. There is always risk. And as I've said before, the only difference between macs and PC is the OS. Whatever you can do, I can do just as well if not better and I don't have to make multiple boots with different OS's to do it or have multiple computers to do it. I always find the irony in mac tards going on about how shit windows is and how much better OS X is, then turn around and dual boot windows because apparently Apple OS can't do what they want it to do. It's so great, I need a second OS!

The fact you constantly side step my points leads me to believe that you're so brainwashed that there's no reasoning with you, so let this be the end of this argument and you can continue to live the delusion that you are somehow superior for being "safer". Trojans and viruses are a threat regardless of your choice of OS, whether you get them or not boils down to your own level of competence.

And I guarantee that despite the fact that I wont respond further, you'll attempt to get the last word in anyway.

I'll also leave this: http://cafedegeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/whynottobuyamac2.png

Oh man, I like this guy. Logic and reasoning? Heck yes!

 

[DracoSuave]

The fact that "Mac Protector trojan" has the word trojan in it. Do I really have to explain the differences between a virus and a trojan to you?

One: Lion has identified security vulnerabilities. [http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2389207,00.asp]

Two: If Snow Leopard is so virus free, then how come anti-virus programs for it don't have empty virus definitions?

Three: As previously pointed out... if the OP has problems with Trojans, we've already proven 'Buy a mac' is not going to protect him by the existance of trojans.

Still, you haven't presented anything to support YOUR side of the argument. You haven't presented evidence to support YOUR case that Snow Leopard is virus-free. You've claimed 0%, so it's up to YOU to prove YOUR statement, rather than shifting the goal posts until perception matches your delusions. Argue fair, or concede the point.

 

[brainslurper]

It's certainly not a common practice for mac users, because I have never had a mac fail. Ever. The computer you listed is $1099, and even if it was $999 you would have disproved your point entirely. And thats forgetting the cost of upgrading windows (Think $700+ a year for windows and $30 for OS X) and the cost of antivirus. A 11% market share would explain why 11% of viruses are for OS X, but it wouldn't explain why 0% of viruses are for OS X. Guess what I can do? I can go to whatever site I want, download whatever the fuck I want, and run it. That is something windows users, no matter how much money they pay for their anti virus, will never be able to say.

Who upgrades Windows every year and pays for an antivirus?

People who don't want to get viruses and want directx11?

lol you trolling? Unless you're a large business, you don't need to pay for an antivirus. As for DX11, you buy Windows 7, you've got it. If you're buying a laptop, you'll probably get W7 with it anyway....

Exactly. If you are running XP then you would need to upgrade to windows 7 in order to get DX11. No large businesses run windows servers, but if you want to maintain the same level of efficiency you would have without an antivirus asking for your permission to do everything, none of the free anti viruses will work.

I wasn't aware we were talking about businesses. Considering the OP was about a personal computer and all.

"Unless you're a large business, you don't need to pay for an antivirus"-You.
Do you have short term memory loss?

.....really? I brought up large businesses to make my point about antivirus programs

Well I wasn't aware we were talking about businesses either until you started talking about them. Regardless, none of the free anti viruses (Or most of the paid ones) will give you the speed you would have without any of them.