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Serge Drago

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...so what's another $1 trillion to $2 trillion. link to article [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123319689681827391.html]

They are not concerned with the amount, only on how to 'properly' inject the money. The one option I think would be disastrous would be the purchase of common stock, which would nationalize the banks. Back to the amount, they don't have this money and the rich can only be taxed so much before closing their businesses and moving out of the country, so they would have to print the money causing a case of hyperinflation. This, obvious to people that have a basic understanding of economics, would be very bad for everyone.
 

Anarchemitis

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Where the money comes from, I have no idea. Why it's not put into the American debt repayments, I have no idea.
 

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You have to spend money to make money. Unfortunately we technically have negative money right now, so I don't know how exactly we'll get out of it. I like the idea of spending it on modernizing our industries, especially our roads and power infrastructure. That means more jobs and hopefully less waste in the end.
 

MaxFan

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I'm only in favor of the government giving away money if they're giving it to me!
 

thiosk

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When I'm in debt, the obvious financial solution is to open up more credit cards, apply for an adjustable rate mortgage, buy a new cellphone, a new tv at no money down for 12 months, and a brand spankin new GM car.

Our economy was in trouble, and unbridled socialist policies will not function as more than a temporary bandaid.

The bush tax cuts would have been fine if they had been canceled with the onset of 9\11, but tax cuts + endless deficit spending = recession.

Recession+rampant inflation and socialization = depression

see: 1929
 

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TheNecroswanson said:
The problem with the $7billion buy out or whatever, is the fucking country now has a case of "me too", and everyone is asking for money. Vegas alone is asking for 50million for a mob museum, states are asking for money.
2009, the year America went bankrupt.
"2009, the year America went the same way as Iceland"?
 

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MaxTheReaper said:
TheNecroswanson said:
The problem with the $7billion buy out or whatever, is the fucking country now has a case of "me too", and everyone is asking for money. Vegas alone is asking for 50million for a mob museum, states are asking for money.
2009, the year America went bankrupt.
MaxFan said:
I'm only in favor of the government giving away money if they're giving it to me!
...Hm.
I do believe the US is going bankrupt, and am generally not in favor of the government giving away money, but if they're going to do it anyway (as apparently they are), it might as well be to me.
 

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MaxFan said:
I'm only in favor of the government giving away money if they're giving it to me!
I get a bad feeling when a politician says they can spend my money better than I can, and then they go and give it to some failure that can't make it in the free market, so they can keep failing.
 

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Give it to the people, they will pay off their loans at the bank, and buy from the various stores, making it a nice boomerang - this way the government would be giving money to itself.

Fucking idiots, put me in charge.
 

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MaxFan said:
I do believe the US is going bankrupt, and am generally not in favor of the government giving away money, but if they're going to do it anyway (as apparently they are), it might as well be to me.
We're not "going" bankrupt. We ARE bankrupt, we've just devised a number of cunning schemes to hide this fact from ourselves and the rest of the world so that other countries keep accepting our *promises* to pay them as if they were actual money.

What the government REALLY needs to do is to start making deep budget cuts, plans for even more future budget cuts, and shutting down as many departments as possible. Not only will this free up a tremendous amount of capital for reinvestment in production, it will free up a large *workforce* that has previously not been doing anything productive. (This would also need to accompany massive repeals of restrictive laws, but the two go hand-in-hand.)

The problem with this is that there would undoubtedly be some unpleasant short-term effects, for instance wages would drop to reflect a reduction in labor scarcity. This doesn't necessarily mean there would be a wage drop for *unskilled* labor, so the people who are already doing nasty jobs like picking fruit or mopping floors will probably not suffer much, and they will receive a huge benefit after a short time when other prices begin to drop as a reflection of increased productivity. But people in mid-range "skilled" jobs will probably take a hit because companies will be able to replace them easily for a short while.

This short-term hiccup is vastly preferable to what will inevitably happen if the budget is not cut, however: industries and individuals not fortunate enough to receive government sponsorship will begin to collapse as they find the costs of these programs impossible to bear. Panicking, the gov't will either cut back on funding to the businesses they've chosen to prop up (unlikely) or issue a massive amount of new regulation and controls over those industries (likely). The effect is the same in both cases--the favored industries will collapse.

The end of the road we are currently on is total socialism, whether of the fascist (massive state regulation) or communist (direct state ownership) varieties. The only hope is for people to demand a total return to free-market principles--not reforms, not a partial return, the 200 proof absolutely unadulterated real stuff.
 

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JMeganSnow said:
MaxFan said:
I do believe the US is going bankrupt, and am generally not in favor of the government giving away money, but if they're going to do it anyway (as apparently they are), it might as well be to me.
We're not "going" bankrupt. We ARE bankrupt, we've just devised a number of cunning schemes to hide this fact from ourselves and the rest of the world so that other countries keep accepting our *promises* to pay them as if they were actual money.
Yes, technically it's only a matter of the creditors calling in the debts.
And everything else you said makes lots of sense, I've been hoping to have the government stop taking my money out of my paycheck before I even see it for years.
 

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MaxFan said:
I'm only in favor of the government giving away money if they're giving it to me!
99.999999999999999999999% of how we got into this mess in the first place, friend.
 

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Serge Drago said:
MaxFan said:
I'm only in favor of the government giving away money if they're giving it to me!
I get a bad feeling when a politician says they can spend my money better than I can, and then they go and give it to some failure that can't make it in the free market, so they can keep failing.
Or the fact that the bean counter that will be assessing my taxes couldn't do enough math to pay HIS OWN taxes for a while.
 

Trace2010

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Could I ask an honest question of the panel? Does anyone on this forum (U.S. citizens only please) approve of this move as it is advertised to happen? where: we will not be spending a third of this money until Obama is out of office? where: "We don't know where exactly this money is going to go?"

Even scarier- where: "we can't account where the first half of the first bailout went"? BUT WE ACTUALLY NEED MORE!
 

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Tenmar said:
Joke comment

America has one asset left....DEBT!
Not a joke.

Luckily we built guns with the debt incurred to other countries, if they come calling in the immediate future, they will be repelled.

I weep for my children, however.
Especially since they spell like this http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf