Things besides guns we should ban to give ourselves the delusion of safety

[Jonluw]

Indeed, alcohol is a pretty horrible drug.
The world would be far better off if we substituted it for cannabis.

However, I don't believe in banning drugs, as prohibition only drives the market value to a level where people will start killing eachother over it.

Guns not intended for hunting just strictly aren't necessary in a civilized society, and strict gun control correlates with lower gun crime.
The fact that you find firing guns entertaining is no argument for allowing people to own them.
I fine military grade artillery entertaining. For some reason, I'm not allowed to own that.
Yes, people will always find ways to kill other people if they really need to. Guns make it a whole lot easier though. Gun control mainly stops the kind of crimes where someone goes on a spree of some sort.
Also: Guns are extraordinarily effective for threatening more than one person at a time. Bank robberies and the like aren't very easy to do with a knife.

Not California, where its the most strict yet crime is still through the roof. Strict gun control doesn't walways work.

Banning them sure as hell won't. I saw through that bullshit first hand.

I highly doubt gun control in California would qualify as 'strict' by a definition from anyone outside of the US.
Strict gun control effectively takes guns away from criminals when done right.
Gun control that is not strict enough only makes it slightly more difficult for normal people to get a hold of, while criminals don't suffer much.

Plus, gun control on a state level in the US is pretty much useless.
Trying to keep guns out of the hands of criminals by restricting gun access in your own state isn't very helpful when guns are a dime a dozen just a couple of miles in pretty much any direction.

To see any significant effect from strict gun control in the US, you would have to enact it on a federal level, and carefully enforce border control in regards to guns to your south.

And of course just plain banning guns won't work in a country like the US. It's saturated with the things. You'd just get a market chock full of illegal guns.
Guns, particularly handguns, need to be restricted through a gradual process, leaving less guns on the market altogether.

 

[GAunderrated]

This might be a bit too obvious but we should ban lobbyists. Boom.

 

[Zantos]

We should ban Australia.

There are things there that man was certainly not meant to step on...

We should ban any country where there is a legitimate risk that any bug will steal your slipper out of your hand and beat YOU to death with it.

OT: Teenagers and woodlice. I would feel so much safer without those bastards. Especially Hbovhjiw'frgib, king of the woodlice.

 

[Kinguendo]

Your comparison is absurd, the nations do not have the same populations, and as you like to point out, the single vector you are measuring is controlled.

I can do this for you, as a citizen of the UK I know we have a population of roughly 66 million. 66 gun related homicides is 1/1,000,000... Now unless the population of the US is 12,000,000,000 (which it isnt) I think you might have just undone your own argument.

 

[Kinguendo]

Guns in the United States are perfectly legal, but Kinder Eggs are illegal and could result in a 300$ fine.
Thought you'd like to know.

Kinder Eggs are illegal because there are laws that says you're not allowed to put something inedible inside something edible, so you don't get little kids choking to death, turning a normal Kinder Surprise into a fatal one.

The more you know, hopefully the less you'll use inane arguments.

We have Kinder Eggs in Britain... surprisingly minimal Kinder-related deaths. Though I didnt know about that Kinder Egg thing, that will be incredibly useful the next time some right-wing 'Merican claims I am not "free"... as though they know what that is.

 

[Kinguendo]

Not going to happen when criminals would just tunnel under the border, like they do now.

Banning guns would only end up as another prohibition just like alcohol, pot, etc. So basically its a moot point. Unlike Europe, organized crime tend to be more complex than the ones in Europe.

The worst are the Cartels that prop up the American gangs. With Cartels, any gun ban or cgun control would fall flat on its face.

Tunnel under? Are you bordering the Nation of the Molepeople? That sounds like some serious bullshit, how paranoid do you have to be to think people need to burrow under a... what? 1400 mile border? Come on!

Also, what an excuse... ban weed so we can please the paper corporations AND we can let guns flow freely thus pleasing the weapons manufacturers, lest those Drug Cartels start selling them $5 baggies of 9mm's. No one said it had to be over night, but you do have to do something about your gun problem... its not just going to stop some day. You are going to have to weaken the Cartels first... AKA legalizing marijuana, the most popular recreational drug on the planet. Then you can start controlling your bloody guns, the longer you leave it the worse it is going to get and the longer it will take to solve.

 

[Kinguendo]

Guns in the United States are perfectly legal, but Kinder Eggs are illegal and could result in a 300$ fine.
Thought you'd like to know.

You can kill a man by forcing him to stick half a plastic capsule down their throat.

I think they are more afraid of the toy you have to build yourself... there could be anything in that tiny capsule! It may look like a dinosaur but when you look at that small instruction manual it is clearly telling you how to make copious amounts of Mustard Gas with household materials.

I had plenty of Kinder Eggs when I was a child, as a result I died many times.

 

[Random Argument Man]

Well, for one thing, we should find a way to make sure the U.S stops making our (Canada) crappy "artists" popular. Carly Rae Jepsen, Justin Bieber, Nickelback, Céline Dion comes from Canada...and they got popular. Thanks guys

 

[Kinguendo]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2012/jul/13/mexico-drug-smuggling-tunnels-video

They exist. They are mainly used to sell drugs but they can be used to smuggle anything.

When the smugglers you are up against are willing and able to use underground tunnels. You are pretty much fucked.

Also, legalizing pot won't do anything. Cartels are so entrenched the time of "weakening them" is long gone... by decades.

They are so entrenched that they have infinite resources and manpower? Unlikely, to say the least. Its just going to take longer, the rest of the drugs arent sold enough to sustain their "empire"... when a massive body cannot fuel itself it collapses into itself, just take away the majority of their fuel and if they do not immediately begin to downsize they will collapse.

 

[Kanatatsu]

Anyone who doesn't support gun control is willfully blind. The facts about gun violence in countries that do have gun control should be the end of the argument.

Unfortunately for American citizens, they have been brainwashed into believing they have a right to own guns free of interference or regulation. This brainwashing is due to a misunderstanding of their own constitution, promulgated by a very strong pro-gun lobby and a whole lot of gun-loving citizens.

Also unfortunately for Americans, guns are so widespread now that any attempt to get them under control would be futile.

It's sad, really, to see a civilized country actively support such an uncivilized position.

 

[TheNamlessGuy]

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