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Imperioratorex Caprae

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Bud the Wise said:
Sir, the high horse you are riding makes it hard to understand you despite the fact that you are shouting, perhaps you should come down and talk about this with valid points and not your own personal non-experience in these matters.
While I respect your personal choices and commend you for staying clean, I don't think you have a right to judge others for what they do, no matter what cards life has handed to you.
Are most drugs harmful? Perhaps they are, perhaps like everything else in life, in moderation they can be at least neutral. There's also the component of how illegal drugs are prepared that makes some of them dangerous, because the people preparing them aren't caring about hygienic or sterile conditions thus leading to contamination that is much more harmful than the drugs themselves. I don't advocate the harder substances, most people don't need to bother with them.
Are most legal prescriptions good for you? Why don't we take a look at how many famous people have died to to accidental overdoses in just the past year... Oh dear that is quite a few.
To say that someone is a scared little coward if they need something to function in society is pretty baseless. Just because you deal with your problem without drugs doesn't mean that everyone else who has problems is fully equipped to deal with theirs. People have flaws, and some of those are chemically based, not character flaws that can be changed. Chemical imbalances cannot be fixed through sheer willpower.
I myself have been diagnosed as Bipolar/Schizoaffective Insomniac and have done my best to handle my life sober (as you put it) and failed miserably due to the chemical imbalance in my brain. I have tried the "healthy diet" thing that has been suggested only to find I already eat healthy. I have gone the route of legal prescriptions offered by my psych, and found that the side effects of everything I have been on has led to more problems in my life than I can handle. I have also tried smoking a little bit of pot every day. This has made my life manageable, my friends and family have all noted that I am a much happier and easier to deal with person because of it, and I have had many other positive things come about since I've taken up this drug. I am not irritable and cross, I do not stress about things and I have stopped hallucinating both aurally and visually.
I am one case in 1000 but I also know that not everything can be done on your own and sometimes you do need help. I do not go overboard, it does not control my life and I am able to make rent, keep a job and all of my bills are taken care of. I hold no pride in these facts, but rather am just happy I am able to lead a normal life and not freak out every few months and end up in a ward again.
What works for you, sir, does not necessarily work for everyone else.
 

Kristoffer Mattila

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Thaius said:
In absolutely no situation does the lack of a seatbelt threaten the life or well-being of anyone but yourself.
Are you fucking kidding me?

If you're in the back seat in a frontal crash, you'll kill the one in front of you.
If you're in the front you'll fly out the window and kill the other people.
 

Heart of Darkness

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
"X-Rays may not be used to fit shoes" (WTF)
Actually, there is good reason for that. (if this has been addressed already, disregard). In the mid-20th centuries, shoe-fitting fluoroscopes [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe-fitting_fluoroscope] were used to attract customers to shoe stores on the claims that it would allow for a better-fitting shoe and would make it fun for kids to go shoe shopping, as well. The gimmick with the machine, however, was that it would use X-rays to do this job, and both the customer and the employee helping the customer were able to see the X-ray image of the customer's foot. Unsurprisingly, it let out a lot of radiation, and it took about thirty years before people found out how bad this machine was for their health.

OT: Piracy, believe it or not (since I want to go into software, like games, later in my life, that's kinda weird). I feel that there are a few legitimate excuses for piracy (i.e., educational purposes) and that it all shouldn't be grouped together under the same terms. Or at least fix the laws regarding it. >.>
 

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I say most knife laws are stupid. Like a lot of things, a knife can be both a tool and a weapon, but that really depends upon the intentions of the carrying person, who could just as easily bludgeon a person to death with a chair than use a knife. So what's the point of outlawing balisongs, or putting a restriction on blade length or the mechanisms to open it? It makes absolutely no practical sense. O-o Heck, if a person is carrying a six foot claymore outside of a Renaissance fair, of course the police are going to be interested. But for anything in between that and a toothpick, I don't get what the big deal is.
 

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Drug laws, Health and safty, and things being banned because of it.

Drug laws as I see it if drugs are made legal and are made easyer to buy in stores there would be NO drug crime...not a perfect plan I know it would need work but that is the basic Idea of it.

Health and softy related to banning things.
There are leads of exaples cheese rooling being one, If health and safty comes along and bans an event to avoid being suied why ban it when it disclamers and be made.
Cheese rolling for exaple is having a hard time...if you dont know what cheese rolling is big troditional event big hill throw a wheel of cheese down the hill ideats wanted to take part follow the cheese.
A number of events have been cancels because of health and safty I am sure if those guys had there own way we would all be in bubble rap suits and not allowed to do anything
 

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Therumancer said:
Blindswordmaster said:
What are some laws that you personally disagree with. I personally don't get lawsuits. I believe that if you've really done something wrong, then you should be brought upon criminal charges. I also think pot should be legal; not because I smoke it, but because there are other worse drugs and drug dealers that we should focus our attention on thwarting.

I'm one of those guys who believes "an armed society is a polite society". Left up to me I'd greatly loosen self defense laws, remove things like firearms permits, and have everyone walking around with a big iron on their hip. To be honest, I think it would resolve a lot of problems before hey even occured. Even if your a really fast draw, and a good shot, your going to be careful about slotting too many people off because if you push too far and have an off day, your in the ground. As a result everyone is going to be more motivated to be fair and courteous.
Though you and I are extremely like minded on your second point, I must disagree with you on your second point. Logically, if it were possible to be brought up on criminal charges, wouldn't that make an effective deterrent? I disagree with just making an unethical CEO pay out damages. I propose making him pay both damages and charging him with criminally negligent homicide. If you purposefully produce a lethal product, then you deserve to be treated like what you are, a murderer. I also propose such a system as it would eliminate frivolous lawsuits. In my eyes if you have really done something wrong, then you deserve to be punished for it, and there are times when a fine, as monetary payments are, isn't good enough.
 

Tanis

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Weed,
Sex being sold,
Kids drinking for special occasion,
Weird sex.
 

00slash00

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Ironic Pirate said:
Piracy.

Yeah, I know it's evil and killing the games industry, but most of the time the person wouldn't have bought it anyway.

I don't think it should be legal, necessarily, but I don't mind it.
i dont think piracy is killing the game industry. music and film, sure, but i dont know many people who illegally download games. heck i dont even know many people who LEGALLY download games. most gamers i know want to have the box. and i wanna rephrase, pirating music isnt killing the music industry, its killing the cd industry. its probably actually helping the music industry, since most people will not be willing to bay $20 to listen to a cd that may only have 1 or 2 tracks that they actually like. plus it makes people more willing to explore new artists. besides, it doesnt even need to be said anymore, that musicians gain most of their money from concerts. i can understand objections to downloading movies but other than that i dont the piracy is a big deal.

and i do think pot should be legal (since its less harmful that alcohol) but to quote daniel tosh "i hope they do legalize marijuana, so that way pot heads will never have anything to talk about, ever again."

also, i think theft is ok, under certain circumstances
 

MadeinHell

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Marijuana.
Free Speech (oh yeah. Try saying something that important people won't like and you will go doooooooooooooooooooown).
And most importantly ABILITY TO SHOOT THE DAMN BASTARD THAT HAS ENTERED MY LAWN, RAPED MY DAUGHTER/DOG AND TRIED TO KILL ME God damn it! (no seriously it's illegal, unless you are using a firearm that is a less calibre than his, and even so it's REALLY hard to prove you were just defending your life)
 

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shootdown said:
weed, marijuana should not be illegal, its just plain ridiculous. and while i'm at it ketamines just about as harmless, and so's mdma, you don't die off that stuff, the only way anyones ever died from ecstasy is because they got extremely wired and danced all night with out letting themselves cooldown and then they got hypothermia. I don't take stuff all the time btw, just occasionally.
The biggest danger with ecstacy is lack of control/common sense. Remember that girl, Leah Betts, years ago. She followed what her body was telling her, instead of what her brain was. She drank so much water that her brain swelled and she lapsed into a coma, eventually dying.

It's very easy to do when all your body is crying out for is more and more water, even though you don't need it.

That being said though, it's probably about as dangerous as alchohol when taken to excess, and I just can't understand why a lot of drugs are illegal. I've had far worse experiences whilst pissed than on any number of illegal narcotics over the years.
 

Blindswordmaster

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Bud the Wise said:
Great, it didn't post. Good thing I think ahead and copy everything I write.
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Blindswordmaster said:
What are some laws that you personally disagree with. I personally don't get lawsuits. I believe that if you've really done something wrong, then you should be brought upon criminal charges. I also think pot should be legal; not because I smoke it, but because there are other worse drugs and drug dealers that we should focus our attention on thwarting.
Why am in not surprised that this entire post is about smoking pot. The post talking about legalities that shouldn't be illegal, big shock there.

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Let me blunt this outloud as strong as I can...

I AM THIRTY YEARS OLD, SOMEWHAT EDUCATED AND LIVE A CLEAN LIFE. NOW I NEED TO ADMIT SOMETHING, I AM GOING THROUGH COLLEGE NOW AFTER THE JOBS PRETTY MUCH ENDED AND BACK THEN BEFORE I STARTED WORKING IN A FACTORY. I HAVE LIVED LIFE PRETTY WELL LIKE FLYING TO VIETNAM AND I NOW AM HAVING A BABY.

SOOO... LETS BE PERFECTLY BLUNT HERE...I HAVE NEVER BEEN DRUNK, SMOKED POT OR ANYTHING ELSE AND I NEVER SHOT UP HEROIN.

I needed to write that in all caps just for emphasis. Here I go again.
I TRULY BELIEVE THAT IF YOU NEED DRUGS TO HELP WITH YOUR PROBLEMS IN REAL LIFE, THEN YOU ARE A SCARED LITTLE COWARD. WORK ON YOUR LIFE THE HARD WAY AND IT TRULY WILL BE BETTER. PISS YOUR LIFE AWAY WITH DRUGS AND WASTE WHAT POTENTIAL YOU HAVE. It may be fun, but when the hell was the last junkie to anounce that he is happy being a junkie or a cigarette smoker just quit because he/she wants to and nothing else without going through masses of withdrawl/relapsing/constant thinking of smoking again?

There, I said it, someone needed to. I also have a disability and live in a state where smoking pot is legal for me. I live in Oregon and I suffer from Multiple Sclerosis...AND I DO IT SOBER.

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Fine, I know I am pissing up the wrong tree and now will be bashed for doing so. I know that the average person involved with this sort of shit is typically either from middle class families who have never seen what this crap TRULY will do to you or a poorer family that is too stupid to learn anything from watching others.

For fucks sakes, please clean yourselves up, even the LEGAL drugs are bad for you and you are hurting your future children far more by being an addict or even occassionally using it than being a useless college student as the typically minded, drug using college student tend to be in my experience.

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I will leave this with a final note.

Just because something is "NATURAL" does NOT make it healthy or better for you, for instance Arsonic, Hemlock, Mercury, Small Pox, and the "Black Death" from the middle ages are ALL NATURAL AS WELL AND WILL KILL YOU.
What part of I do not smoke pot, do you not understand? Let me be perfectly clear: I don't smoke, I don't drink, and I don't use drugs, illegal or otherwise. I want pot to be legal for two reasons: I want cops to stop wasting their time with pot smokers and I support natural selection. If you want to destroy your life, then by all means do so just do it away from me and other people. Every time the police, the court, and the penile system wastes their time on some college stoner, that's time, money, and space that could be put to finding, prosecuting, and punishing murderers, rapists, and drug dealers. Here's my reaction to marijuana:I DO NOT GIVE A FUCK! I don't use it and if it was legal, I still wouldn't use it.
 

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Therumancer said:
I'm one of those guys who believes "an armed society is a polite society". Left up to me I'd greatly loosen self defense laws, remove things like firearms permits, and have everyone walking around with a big iron on their hip. To be honest, I think it would resolve a lot of problems before hey even occured. Even if your a really fast draw, and a good shot, your going to be careful about slotting too many people off because if you push too far and have an off day, your in the ground. As a result everyone is going to be more motivated to be fair and courteous.
you frighten me
 

moretimethansense

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Pot, Prostitution and piracy
not to mention the uk's leagal stance on "rough sex" and "extreme pornograghy" if I want to watch a womon being suspended from the ceiling get spanked with paddels by midgets whilst neing deep throated as a pair of large black men masturbate onto her feet that's my fucking buisness NOT the govornments.

Blindswordmaster said:
penile system
Sorry I knoe this seems pedantic but I thibk you mean "Penal system" what you said means somthing very different.
 

Therumancer

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Blindswordmaster said:
Therumancer said:
Blindswordmaster said:
What are some laws that you personally disagree with. I personally don't get lawsuits. I believe that if you've really done something wrong, then you should be brought upon criminal charges. I also think pot should be legal; not because I smoke it, but because there are other worse drugs and drug dealers that we should focus our attention on thwarting.

I'm one of those guys who believes "an armed society is a polite society". Left up to me I'd greatly loosen self defense laws, remove things like firearms permits, and have everyone walking around with a big iron on their hip. To be honest, I think it would resolve a lot of problems before hey even occured. Even if your a really fast draw, and a good shot, your going to be careful about slotting too many people off because if you push too far and have an off day, your in the ground. As a result everyone is going to be more motivated to be fair and courteous.
Though you and I are extremely like minded on your second point, I must disagree with you on your second point. Logically, if it were possible to be brought up on criminal charges, wouldn't that make an effective deterrent? I disagree with just making an unethical CEO pay out damages. I propose making him pay both damages and charging him with criminally negligent homicide. If you purposefully produce a lethal product, then you deserve to be treated like what you are, a murderer. I also propose such a system as it would eliminate frivolous lawsuits. In my eyes if you have really done something wrong, then you deserve to be punished for it, and there are times when a fine, as monetary payments are, isn't good enough.

In a perfect world you could do both easily. However as I (thought) I mentioned there are differant standards of proof in civil and criminal law. Proving something to a "preponderance of evidence" (ie making a better case) is a lot easier than proving something "beyond a reasonable doubt". Getting criminal charges to stick on something as well prepared as a corperation, never mind finding specific people to hold accountable, is nearly impossible. On the other hand the lesser standard of proof in civil matters makes pursueing such action a lot more viable.

It all depends on the situation, sometimes you can get both criminal and civil successes on one guy, however in many more cases the civil system is the only recourse due to the standards required for a criminal case.
 

Ironic Pirate

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00slash00 said:
Ironic Pirate said:
Piracy.

Yeah, I know it's evil and killing the games industry, but most of the time the person wouldn't have bought it anyway.

I don't think it should be legal, necessarily, but I don't mind it.
i dont think piracy is killing the game industry. music and film, sure, but i dont know many people who illegally download games. heck i dont even know many people who LEGALLY download games. most gamers i know want to have the box. and i wanna rephrase, pirating music isnt killing the music industry, its killing the cd industry. its probably actually helping the music industry, since most people will not be willing to bay $20 to listen to a cd that may only have 1 or 2 tracks that they actually like. plus it makes people more willing to explore new artists. besides, it doesnt even need to be said anymore, that musicians gain most of their money from concerts. i can understand objections to downloading movies but other than that i dont the piracy is a big deal.

and i do think pot should be legal (since its less harmful that alcohol) but to quote daniel tosh "i hope they do legalize marijuana, so that way pot heads will never have anything to talk about, ever again."

also, i think theft is ok, under certain circumstances
Yeah, that bit was mostly too prevent people from yelling at me, saying how bad it is. Because that, abortion, and gun rights seem to get people all riled up.

And Piracy probably only actually hurts movies, because Music makes so much money off T-shirts and concerts, like you said.
 

Blindswordmaster

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Therumancer said:
Blindswordmaster said:
Therumancer said:
Blindswordmaster said:
What are some laws that you personally disagree with. I personally don't get lawsuits. I believe that if you've really done something wrong, then you should be brought upon criminal charges. I also think pot should be legal; not because I smoke it, but because there are other worse drugs and drug dealers that we should focus our attention on thwarting.

I'm one of those guys who believes "an armed society is a polite society". Left up to me I'd greatly loosen self defense laws, remove things like firearms permits, and have everyone walking around with a big iron on their hip. To be honest, I think it would resolve a lot of problems before hey even occured. Even if your a really fast draw, and a good shot, your going to be careful about slotting too many people off because if you push too far and have an off day, your in the ground. As a result everyone is going to be more motivated to be fair and courteous.
Though you and I are extremely like minded on your second point, I must disagree with you on your second point. Logically, if it were possible to be brought up on criminal charges, wouldn't that make an effective deterrent? I disagree with just making an unethical CEO pay out damages. I propose making him pay both damages and charging him with criminally negligent homicide. If you purposefully produce a lethal product, then you deserve to be treated like what you are, a murderer. I also propose such a system as it would eliminate frivolous lawsuits. In my eyes if you have really done something wrong, then you deserve to be punished for it, and there are times when a fine, as monetary payments are, isn't good enough.

In a perfect world you could do both easily. However as I (thought) I mentioned there are differant standards of proof in civil and criminal law. Proving something to a "preponderance of evidence" (ie making a better case) is a lot easier than proving something "beyond a reasonable doubt". Getting criminal charges to stick on something as well prepared as a corperation, never mind finding specific people to hold accountable, is nearly impossible. On the other hand the lesser standard of proof in civil matters makes pursueing such action a lot more viable.

It all depends on the situation, sometimes you can get both criminal and civil successes on one guy, however in many more cases the civil system is the only recourse due to the standards required for a criminal case.
Do you think it would be possible to charge and convict the specific members in a large corporation using all the manpower, resources, and funds that would usually be used in civil courts around the world?