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Pretty much everything that gets a lot of hate aside from politics and legislation because while I don?t necessarily agree when it is stuff that effects the country you live in I can see why you would get worked up about it. Oh and human rights issues even when it doesn't effect you.

Though I?m hypocrite cause I fucking hate twilight and some of the things teenage girls like to an unreasonable degree. Even if its stuff I do like or just don't hate chances are I hate the teenage girl fans. I admit that being a girl it might be because I?m ever so slightly bitter. Though I don't spend my time making horrible meme jokes about it or following this shit just so I can hate on it.
 

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Gonna limit my answers to shit I've seen on this site, or we'd be here all day.

Call of Duty gets a TON of hate on this site. To some people here it's Hitler & Antichrist's baby mixed with a little Charles Manson and Gacy for good measure. What always cracks me up is that people love to blame this game for all the industry's woes, and none of them realize how stupid that is.

Slightly less hated than CoD, you have your general military shooters. They're only responsible for MOST of the industry's problems, and equivalent to only Hitler. A solid step up.

Feminism/feminists. I've seen a surprising amount of people reacting very negatively to this on The Escapist. I don't wanna get into a whole thing, but suffice it to say I've seen quite a few people who seem to genuinely hate feminism and feminists.

Consoles/console gamers. How do you know if someone's a PC gamer? Don't worry, they'll tell you. These PC elitists have even taken to seriously calling themselves "The PC master race." You know, that tongue-in-cheek remark from the Yahtzee video? OF COURSE YOU KNOW! Well, it's no longer a joke poking fun at PC elitists. Oh no, it's now a very serious PC elitist term.

I say this as someone who spends most of his gaming time on a PC: I fucking hate PC elitists because they make me look like a fucking raging asshole. Who gives a shit what platform someone does their gaming on? Why do you care about the decisions other people make that in no way affect you?
 

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Characters in games attached to bad or annoying gameplay. Let me explain what I mean.

I understand that a lot of people don't like how Navi would often say "Hey!" or "Listen!" ect. but that's a problem with the game mechanic, I don't think the character herself deserves all that hate for something that's not even due to her character. I've seen other characters attached to such things have fanfiction stories written about them that have the only focus of abusing them, even by characters that story wise have no reason to do this.
 

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Kristen Stewart: Funnily enough it's the die-hard fans of the Twilight series that throw the most venomous remarks in Stewart's direction. Just a little observation, it's been pointed out many times before that the book's popularity among young female readers comes from the textureless nature of Bella's character allowing the reader to implant their own personality on to her and take part in the fantasy; taking that further, any actress playing that character in a film adaptation is automatically an impostor from the die-hard fan's perspective. In other words, I fear the scorn thrown at Stewart is simply an amusing and pitiful case of jealousy.
 

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Silvanus said:
Fox12 said:
To be fair, I didn't see any difference between Obama and Romney. They were basically the exact same person, and agreed on virtually everything.
Except economics, tax, healthcare, legalisation for illegal immigrants, global warming, cap-and-trade, Roe v Wade, business regulation, marriage, Don't Ask/ Don't Tell, energy policy, and New Start.
Most of their differences were artificial. Romney towed the party line during the election, but his voting record was usually pretty inconsistent with what he said. For instance, Obamacare wasn't that different from health care plans Romney had supported in the past. Both plans had key similarities, such a individual mandates. Also, despite his claims to the contrary, Romneys voting record has been decidedly pro choice. In 2005, concerning Roe Vs. Wade, he flat out said he was committed to protecting the status quo, and was glad he had been able to do that.

Their foreign policy and homeland security debate was a total farce, as both candidates had to support the same policy while pretending to be different, or acting like one candidate was better than the other. Both support American interventionism overseas, preemptive warfare, the surveillance state, and both supported the NDAA, which allows for the indefinite detention of American citizens without a trial by jury.

On Topic: I do feel like FF7 gets WAY more hate than it deserves. How many rabid fanboys have I seen worshiping that game? None. A handful of people mention they really like it. Not a day goes by, however, without somebody saying its over hyped, or that six is better. It's become the cool thing to hate, I guess.
 

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BarbaricGoose said:
Gonna limit my answers to shit I've seen on this site, or we'd be here all day.

Call of Duty gets a TON of hate on this site. To some people here it's Hitler & Antichrist's baby mixed with a little Charles Manson and Gacy for good measure. What always cracks me up is that people love to blame this game for all the industry's woes, and none of them realize how stupid that is.

Slightly less hated than CoD, you have your general military shooters. They're only responsible for MOST of the industry's problems, and equivalent to only Hitler. A solid step up.

Feminism/feminists. I've seen a surprising amount of people reacting very negatively to this on The Escapist. I don't wanna get into a whole thing, but suffice it to say I've seen quite a few people who seem to genuinely hate feminism and feminists.

Consoles/console gamers. How do you know if someone's a PC gamer? Don't worry, they'll tell you. These PC elitists have even taken to seriously calling themselves "The PC master race." You know, that tongue-in-cheek remark from the Yahtzee video? OF COURSE YOU KNOW! Well, it's no longer a joke poking fun at PC elitists. Oh no, it's now a very serious PC elitist term.

I say this as someone who spends most of his gaming time on a PC: I fucking hate PC elitists because they make me look like a fucking raging asshole. Who gives a shit what platform someone does their gaming on? Why do you care about the decisions other people make that in no way affect you?
To be fair, I have seen just as many people that react to anyone that puts forth the idea that men's rights might possibly maybe need to be looked at and updated with such anger, or hate.

And as for the PC Elitism thing, well, technically Computers, CAN be superior to consoles, and anyone who has built a PC in the last 3 years has a PC that is easily superior to the 360, Wii, or PS3, because the tech those three systems use are what, 8? 7? Years old. In terms of Specs PCs will generally be superior, though Specs don't always equate to better games. As for the joke, I honestly haven't seen that many people that are using the joke and taking it super seriously.
 

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Everything.
Everything.
Spending the amount of time procrastinating on the internet that I have, you come to certain corners where absolutely everything is looked down upon with blind, venomous hatred to the point where you have to wonder what exactly these people do enjoy in life.
Yeah pretty much this.

OT: For my little list, I'll go over some stuff I think gets too much hate on the escapist.

Call of Duty: No need for explanation at this point.

Feminists: See any gender/Anita thread, while I don't think everyone who isn't 100 percent in line with feminists are misogynists, everyone seems too eager to get into fights about the topic.

Christians and I suppose political conservatism: I'm sure Religion and Politics forums have plenty of examples, but it bled through in that "assertive girls" thread.

Star Wars Prequels: I would never say they are better than the first three by any means, they aren't unwatchable.

Fifth Generation Pokemon: Now, it may not get as much hate as the previous examples here on the Escapist, it gets a lot more flack than in deserves.
 

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I know people keep hearing me go on my spiel about Microsoft but I really can't state it enough. I mean, seriously now? Can't we just back off for one second and stop sucking Sony's cock?

Also, like everyone else said, the Star Wars Prequels for one reason. The battle scenes are just awesome. I don't care what anyone says. Hate the acting, hate the story. But please do not hate on the epic lightsaber clashes on a magma planet, or massive, intense wars with stormtroopers and droids, or Yoda chucking his saber into a stormtrooper, or fights with cool, tattooed staff-saber-using sith. I just won't have it, I tell you.
 

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* Warning! During the writing of what I thought was going to be a few sentences, it turned into a lecture.*

Dnd 4E. The structure is its strength. The inflexible turn based strategy combat ensured that no matter what class/race/backstory you assign your character, every build is effective and no one play-style breaks the game. Linear warriors AND linear wizards keep every player mechanically useful, unless the player rolls an unnaturally high amount of natural 1's.

Out of combat, it functions exactly like any other RPG, but with the fat trimmed. Instead of separate skills for running, climbing,and swimming, there is a single "Athletics" skill for example. The beautiful thing is, house rules for character idiosyncrasies do not make this a flaw. "Your hydrophobic fighter in full plate armor needs to swim cross a river. Roll an athletics check with a -X penalty." You can similarly subdivide "Arcana" into different schools of magic if the group wishes etc. The "dumbing down" of the role play mechanics takes approximately 10 seconds to reverse without losing the remarkably deep combat. If the group is new to DnD, stick to the rules as stated and have an easier creating and playing your character.

4E being a modern rpg that takes a lot of inspiration from video games in general, status ailments and buffs make up a huge part its system. It is really hard to die in 4E. Really. Unless no one wanted to play an "optimize the party" style leader class. Therefore, the challenge lies in defeating the enemy as efficiently as possible. Even traditionally less combat oriented classes can be instrumental in a decisive victory through damage, such as the Bard.

Yes, 4E turned Bards into spell casters, but the flavour is preserved and it gave them some teeth as well as their usual abilities of hindering enemies/aiding the party. For example, this is the text on an epic tier(level 29)bard attack spell.

["Satire of Leadership" Usable once an in-game day.

"Your verse mocks your foe?s leadership and bends reality to conform with your words; any enemy near your foe is more vulnerable to attack." Range 10. Charisma vs. Will

5d10 plus Charisma mod psychic damage. The target and each enemy within 3 squares of it take a -2 penalty to all defenses and gain vulnerable 5 to all damage (save ends both).]

On a critical, with a matching level enchanted implement, that could do approximately 100 damage. FROM. A. BARD!
At that level however, most enemies are gods/elder monstrosities with thousands of hit points, so its strength lies in the effect to soften the target up for players that can do more damage reliably with the damage as a perk, so as to maintain combat effectiveness without losing focus on the debilitation/optimization abilities the class is designed to do.

4e changed a lot. No argument here about that. Personally, I think its superior to 3/3.5 and Pathfinder combined. What was lost in character creation options I gained more than enough back in sheer fun experimenting with the combat.
 

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Nickleback. Did they murder someone? o_O
They might not be brilliant, but they've had a few good songs out yet it seems to be the cool thing to hate them.

Anita and feminism, although I think many people's definition of feminism is absolutely wrong and they're hating a false idea of something.

To an extent, anything. The more popular something is, the more vocal people are when they dislike it. It's like "LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME! I DON'T LIKE THIS POPULAR THING UNLIKE YOU SHEEP!"
 

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Fox12 said:
Silvanus said:
Most of their differences were artificial. Romney towed the party line during the election, but his voting record was usually pretty inconsistent with what he said. For instance, Obamacare wasn't that different from health care plans Romney had supported in the past. Both plans had key similarities, such a individual mandates. Also, despite his claims to the contrary, Romneys voting record has been decidedly pro choice. In 2005, concerning Roe Vs. Wade, he flat out said he was committed to protecting the status quo, and was glad he had been able to do that.

Their foreign policy and homeland security debate was a total farce, as both candidates had to support the same policy while pretending to be different, or acting like one candidate was better than the other. Both support American interventionism overseas, preemptive warfare, the surveillance state, and both supported the NDAA, which allows for the indefinite detention of American citizens without a trial by jury.

There's a massive difference between introducing a system in one small state, and introducing one across the entire nation. Romney opposes the latter.

I didn't mention surveillance, intervention, the NDAA, etc, because I'm well aware they have more similarities than I'm comfortable with. But 'agree on virtually everything'? Not even close.
 

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The Twilight saga.
Yeah, I'm goin' there....
One of my best friends is a Twi-hard, and was bemoaning that she didn't have anyone to discuss the books with. This combined with my philosophy of "You can't really criticize it if you haven't read/seen it" led me to read the first book. And it wasn't *nearly* as bad as I had thought it would be, given what I'd heard about it on-line. So I read the rest of the series. Once again, not great by any means, in fact it could even be fair to call them bad, but not anywhere *near* being the unspeakable abominations that the internet would lead you to believe them to be.
My problem with Twilight is the glaringly obvious mormon propaganda slathered all over the books. That and generally bad writing and uninteresting characters. It's not the end of the world bad, but it sure as hell is not good either.
 

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Dragon Age 2, I liked it immensly and I actually enjoyed it much more than Origins, The reasons I've heard people have for hating it is that It didn't have as much free-roaming or characterisation as Origins or that it flatout wasn't the same kind of game as Origins, which is a pretty stupid reason for hating it to be honest.
 

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I'm going to go with FFX-2. Keep the setting, keep a couple of characters, get rid of the ridiculous Sphere Board, add new characters, new plot (kind of), add some fan service (like the fans hadn't already skewed Rikku and Yuna's characterization way out of line from their actual portrayal...) And, hey, look, it's not the same story for every character. Hurray! I actually look forward to replaying X-2, which is hard to say for ten...
 

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Final Fantasy 10.

If Tidus wasn't the main character - or, at least if I could have Yuna as the party avatar and in all of the battles as the "leader", and if the story was cleaned up a bit, it would be a great game.

13 is beyond saving, though.

And to an extent, yaoi fangirls. Yeah, I went there. My sister is a huge one; to ridiculous extremes. She has an 11kg box of gay porn and yaoi, it's ridiculous.
I think Spoony already Explained that Tidus is NOT the main character in the first place. Just this Whiny ***** the Camera decided to follow cause he had some Camera Treats in his back pocket or something.
 

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Lost - Terrific show with mediocre finale, everybody seems to think it was bad

Prometheus - Interesting movie that tackles big themes while trying to be scary. People pick it apart over issues with minor plot details. Most of which is actually explained if you watch carefully. But no, apparently it was TERRIBLE!

Spiderman 3 - Edit out the 4 minutes of Peter Parker dancing from this nearly 3 hour movie and you'd render 85% of its criticism obsolete.

Obama - He's basically gotten hate simply for existing since the moment he entered office. As president he's made surprisingly few serious mistakes, but every one of them has been blown up by the media into something way bigger than it deserves to be.

Nintendo - Mario is the only series that Nintendo is milking to death, so top criticizing it for Zelda, and Metroid, and DonkeyKong which get about 2 - 3 installments per decade if they're lucky.
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Anita and feminism, although I think many people's definition of feminism is absolutely wrong and they're hating a false idea of something.
I watched a few of her Youtube videos yesterday for the first time, and I didn't find myself particularly disagreeing with anything she said. And I don't consider myself anywhere close to being a feminist. Granted it seemed like she was exaggerating how serious some issues in videogames are, but it was all pretty harmless
 

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Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, for signing the Munich Agreement.

It's easy to see how little it accomplished with the benefit of hindsight, and posterity seem to have placed most of the blame on poor character on Chamberlain's part. That he either was too naïve to entertain the thought that Hitler wouldn't hold his part of the bargain, or that he was being cowardly.
It would be reasonable to assume that he did underestimate Hitler & Company. But you don't become prime minister through innocence, or by conceding when you do not have to.

It was an attempt to play for time, and get a chance to get the army and administration in shape for defence. A war at that stage would've gone far worse than it eventually, and likely inevitably, did. There was not much else to do, something that wouldn't be an equally pointless but much more harmful gesture, anyway.

In the end, it was cowardly, dishonourable and ultimately futile. But sometimes, that is the only thing to do. The only thing you can do.

This lovely Polandball comic explains my feelings on the matter rather well.

(Careful, it's rather large)

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/623/658/ec7.png
 

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ccdohl said:
SonOfMethuselah said:
Everything.
Everything.
Even Nazis?

Probably Anita Sarkeesian. She sucks, her arguments are stupid, her beliefs are regressive, she leaves out important information and assumes developer intentions from what happens in games, but she's nowhere near as bad or potentially damaging as someone like Leeland Yee.
Actually yes.

Now before everyone jumps the gun, let me explain. What I mean is, we often times don't stop to think about how not all Nazi's were actually swept up in the rhetoric of the regime, some of them were just unfortunate people trapped in a system and events that they couldn't do anything about.