Third-Hand Smoking: Serious Health-Risk or Activists Taking It Too Far?

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Sewblon

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That is the second dumbest thing I have read of in my life. I grew up around smokers and my lungs are fine. I once heard that whole milk is more dangerous than second-hand smoke, it was on one of those Truth commercials so that is most likely bullshit. I also read about a study in which a group of smokers lived just as long as a group of non-smokers.
 

Archaon6044

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i can imagine 3rd-hand somoking being dangerous, if for example you hapened to put your mouth over a smoke-laden object and inhale deaply, but i think 3rd-hand smoke would be the least of your worries.

otherwise i call these people imbeceles for beleiving this tripe, and now i will move on with my life
 

deathninja

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FFS, just buy a bottle of FeBreez and be done with it.

That lingering smell is mainly aromatic compounds. Unpleasant, causes irritation in some unlucky people, but it's hardly the next coming of the antichrist.
 

LockHeart

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I think they used something similar over here in Britain, might have been that same bit of evidence...

Never mind the fact that you get more pollutants in your lungs from walking down a busy street full of traffic...
 

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OK I know people are going to get pissed at me for saying this but I remain unconvinced that secondhand smoke is that dangerous to non-asthmatics. This third-hand smoke is an incredibly stupid move designed to piss people off at smokers. The reactions to being in a smokers house is from smoke that hasn't completely gone away yet, not residue left in the walls and furniture.
 

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Smoking was never a right. There is no line in the US or Canadian Constitution that grants you the right to smoke. It is not a right, it is a privilege.


The pollution argument is that of a three-year-old. Not only is it totally unrelated to the topic at hand, it's unrealistic, and irrelevant. But you say that people can smoke in places to no ill effect. Did you know that the local wildlife is getting cancer? The toxic shit from your smoke butts, which most of you fucking smokers just toss on the ground instead of dispose of properly, leaks out of the butts when it rains and is polluting the plants and poisoning the animals. Smoking is a vile habit, and the people who smoke are completely oblivious to the damage they do to those around them. I'm not sure if smoking makes people assholes, or if it's just assholes who like to smoke, but smokers are fucking pricks who care only for their nicotine fix, fuck the rest of the world. I just can't wait until cigs are banned completely.[/quote]
---First off smoking can be protected along with a mountian of stupid things under the american constitution's freedom of expression. For your other post, you have serious anger problems, don't you. Just because the cool kids in high school made fun of you for not smoking doesn't mean you need to be an asss to everyone else.
 

teh_gunslinger

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Not really on topic but I'll say this:

After they banned smoking in bars and clubs I find that they smell like farts and sweaty people. I honestly preferred smoke to that. :)

As for the notion of third hand smoking; show me some real evidence and not a half assed poll, then we can talk.

*lights up a cigarette*
 

ZippyDSMlee

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Khell_Sennet said:
ZippyDSMlee said:
Ya know what comes out of factories and cars in such great volume is worse than 2nd hand smoke.

This anti smoking non sense has gotten so bad you can't smoke in a separate room in a restaurant anymore... every right they take away leads to 2 more things they find problematic for the public that has to be limited...its a nasty slippery slope that is going to take all freedoms away because everything has a dozen rules to it.
Highlighted the biggest flaw in your argument.
Smoking was never a right. There is no line in the US or Canadian Constitution that grants you the right to smoke. It is not a right, it is a privilege. In fact, as I have said once already, if the government decided tomorrow that cigarettes are in the same class of narcotic as cocaine or lsd, then it's Goodbye Charlie, no more smokes for you.

Terminalchaos said:
Health matters aside people have the right to pleasure and pursuit of pleasure is not sick.
So a pedophile or necrophile isn't a sick person, nor are their actions sick, because it's in the pursuit of pleasure? A rapist/murderer who gets his kicks chopping the feet off women is not sick? Or on the non-criminal side of things, a fecalphiliac is not sick? Or how about a coke head, shooting up for a high, then crashing hard. Waking up in a puddle of his own excrement, only to shoot up again. Is that not sick?


People do get cancer from being in areas with a lot of cars - look at the statistics for particulate matter and cancer rates in major cities. Some factories sure as hell have negative health effects as well.
This thread was never about cars. We know cars are bad, but cars are a necessary thing. Cigarettes are not, no matter how much a smoker may insist they are.

Cigarettes are a pleasure and people have every bit as much right to them as driving.

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Individual rights to self expression/pleasure shouldn't be violated- people can smoke without violating your rights and to declare it should be illegal is a very kneejerk and selfish move.
I say again. Smoking is not a right. SHOW ME where it is listed as one, and I will capitulate. Show me where the law specifically states that people have a right to use and/or abuse tobacco. On the same note, driving is not a right. You have to apply with the government for the privilege to drive. At any time, for any reason, they can take that away from you. JUST LIKE CIGARETTES.

As far as your right to not breathe smoke vs my right to smoke: A. first don't pollute- EVER then you have a leg to stand on. B. There are many areas where people can smoke without negatively affecting people. Also your logic could also apply to many things that offend my lungs such as driving, foundries, and large factories. Loosely it could also be applied to people that have too many kids but thats a side issue.
The pollution argument is that of a three-year-old. Not only is it totally unrelated to the topic at hand, it's unrealistic, and irrelevant. But you say that people can smoke in places to no ill effect. Did you know that the local wildlife is getting cancer? The toxic shit from your smoke butts, which most of you fucking smokers just toss on the ground instead of dispose of properly, leaks out of the butts when it rains and is polluting the plants and poisoning the animals. Smoking is a vile habit, and the people who smoke are completely oblivious to the damage they do to those around them. I'm not sure if smoking makes people assholes, or if it's just assholes who like to smoke, but smokers are fucking pricks who care only for their nicotine fix, fuck the rest of the world. I just can't wait until cigs are banned completely.
Nice...but over thought the rights given to us can be broken down into hundreds or thousands of things we take for granted, while they are not a expressly given right the nature of them makes them a freedom as valuable as any freedom that's specifically defined as law is driven to become a revenue maker and platform for career politicians everything surrounding the defined freedoms/rights we are given will be mired in so many rules and regulations we might as well live in a fascist totalitarian nation.
 

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well in theory it shouldnt really stop at third-hand smoking cause it if your rub against someone and pass it on that. It really is taking it to far, also its no different from sneezing into your hands then not "correctly washing" them and i dont see any groups for that. Also if the chemicals are clinging to clothes why do they suddenly detach themselves to "infect" us. Also it is someones right to smoke and second hand smoke (which makes perfect sense) can be stopped by moving away from the smoker or if you know them asking them not to light up.
 

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Being asthmatic, I do think that it is a threat. I can tell if I'm in a place where someone smokes, and it's more difficult to breathe in those places.

However, my opinion shouldn't be taken as scientific fact. Who would quote statistics like that in the news?
 

BubbleGumSnareDrum

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There is no such thing as "third-hand smoke" and the evidence demonstrating that second-hand smoke is significantly damaging is pretty lackluster by itself.

There isn't any evidence at all that third-hand smoke is a danger. I call bullshit.
 

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Terminalchaos said:
Get rid of our cars and pollution spewing factories then ***** about 3rd hand smoke. Seriously people need to get their heads out of their asses.
seconded
 

lizards

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Terminalchaos said:
lizards said:
Terminalchaos said:
Khell_Sennet said:
lacktheknack said:
An athsmatic speaking:

If I smell any cigarette smoke AT ALL, even on clothes, my lungs fill with mucous to wash it out, and I can't breathe.

So it's an issue to me, yes.
As a fellow asthma sufferer, I agree.

Basically, if I'm around someone who WAS smoking, I suffer an asthma attack. It can be light, to the point I just suffer a few minutes and I'm good, or it can be to the point where I need my inhaler.

If I'm around someone who is CURRENTLY smoking, it's a severe attack which guarantees I need my inhaler, and could send me to the ER if exposed long enough.

And if I were to actually smoke, we skip the ER and I go straight to the morgue.

So third degree smoke isn't the worst thing, but it still has an effect. And I am inclined to punch anyone who causes me an asthma attack because of a sick fucking addiction they should have outright banned long ago.
You are a bit judgmental. People have the right to smoke and it isn't a sick addiction - at least anymore than any other addiction people have. I get sick from cars, factories, barbeques and burning leaves -should I punch all those transgressors? I see much of our pollution as a sick fucking addiction if that's how you phrase smoking. Seeing your rant makes me want to light up and I don't even smoke.

Bans are a violation of our civil rights- we have the right to smoke, drink, eat poorly, and party. If you drive and ***** about smoking you're a hypocrite (unless you drive a full electric car from a region that gets power from hydroelectric, wind, or another airsafe method of electricity generation.)
your an idoit

ok now that we got that out of the way heres why:

1 how is it not a sick addiction? it gives you cancer,heart disease, fucks up your lungs, and makes a number of phyiscal changes (like yellow teeth wrinkles) and for what? not a reason in the world thats what
2 it gives not only yourself these things but it gives others them
3 no where in the constitution does it say anything about smoking and were is founded today it would be banned
4 your arguements are invalid because (for example) in resturants smoking makes their work environment unsafe
to put this into a metaphor: a resturant starts filtering carbon monoxide into the resturant for no reason at all, while it may not hurt the employees directly they will experence health defects
that is one of the best metaphors ive used in this debate hm.....wait a second this seems to be what smoking does.......
5 the difference is people dont get cancer from driving cars and cars sure as hell dont increase peoples chances of being cancer that are around them again your arguement is invalid because cigerattes are unliked not because of air pollution but because of the health risk
6 if someone could invent a cheap affordable solar powered car then people would use it BUT offer a cigeratte patch, gum, injection, or whatever they will not use it dont try to deny that because their is all those things (minus the injection part to the best of my knowledge

grow up
Sir I am not an idiot and I decry your intelligence for making such an egregious error. I believe your cogitative capabilities are seriously lacking.

You call my argument invalid at every turn (incorrectly I may add) yet use logical fallacies instead of true arguments to counter.

Health matters aside people have the right to pleasure and pursuit of pleasure is not sick.

Many other common activities are harmful to the collective health yet we still eprsist.


People do get cancer from being in areas with a lot of cars - look at the statistics for particulate matter and cancer rates in major cities. Some factories sure as hell have negative health effects as well.

People have the right to do as they will and I think the antismoking sentiment is s bit naziesque.

I have said nothing of restaurants and will treat that argument as a straw man.

Your arguments are completely invalid or false sir.

Cigarettes are a pleasure and people have every bit as much right to them as driving.

Benefits are subjective- whatever smokers get from smoking may very well be worth whatever negative affects it has- its the person who has the experience that has the right to judge that experience, not an outsider.

Individual rights to self expression/pleasure shouldn't be violated- people can smoke without violating your rights and to declare it should be illegal is a very kneejerk and selfish move.

As far as your right to not breathe smoke vs my right to smoke: A. first don't pollute- EVER then you have a leg to stand on. B. There are many areas where people can smoke without negatively affecting people. Also your logic could also apply to many things that offend my lungs such as driving, foundries, and large factories. Loosely it could also be applied to people that have too many kids but thats a side issue.
ok fine if you dont want to be called an idiot for the first statement but this one pretty much proves it

pursuit of happiness? what the hell? so if a child rapist is running around and raping kids in his pursuit of happiness then its alright? thats a bad arguement because just because it makes you happy doesnt mean you can do whatever you want particularly if you are harming people/animals

like what is harmful? working in mines? skateboarding? well the fact is that niether hurt and that i believe half of what you are talking about is nessecary or what people do for a living which means they are willingly exposeing themselves, find me someone who doesnt smoke that will say "o you want me to go sniff the smoke that a smoker breathes out? ok" then i will say im wrong

ya cars do give you cancer but find a ciggerate that does ANYTHING other than harm you and that arguement is valid cars take people places, carry heavy things, and such things as that and factorys make things which yet again is a shitty arguement because what do you think makes those ciggerates?

so you think that people who dont smoke are nazis for not wanting cancer for no reason other than that somebody wants to have the few minutes of pleasure ciggerates gives them? well since you made yourself look like an tard there i wont help you out

now you are being a hypocrite you cant say that the resturant arguement has nothing to do with this employees have the right to a safe work environment and if i were to go back and count how many damn times you talked about rights well i would be here for a couple hours

going on, ciggerates are a pleasure? well smoking weed is a pleasure and making fake money to buy a bunch of things are a pleasure and both of those are illegal just because its a plesure doesnt mean anything and cars as said earlier are tools not pleasures unless you want to walk for 4 hours to get to work

fine fine fine good for you benefits are subjective but the fact is that it may be worth it to you but not for the person sitting next to you, and also im blown away at how you could think that its for the person who is having the experience to decide because what you are saying there is that murder is ok because unless you have murdered to you cant know if it is worth it

o im sorry, im selfish? silly me your right i dont want cancer just so you can light up, god im so fucking selfish your an idiot and by the way print out the section where is says "the right to smoke ciggerates" and then you can have that arguement

that is invalid from the start because you dont have a right to smoke, i dont pollute most people are smart enough not to and dont tell me you havent at one point, are you joking? so it doesnt pollute the air when you are lighting up there but it does when you are lighting up here? not even going to continue with that part, im also sure you throw your butts on the ground when you are done (knows he is going to lie and say he doesnt) well guess what that gets into the environment when it rains and pollutes the soil and gies the animals cancer, the difference is (plese make another point you milked this one for long enough) they are important unless you want to walk 4 hours to work, dont have those wonderful cigerattes of yours, and not have steel then ya sure go ahead and apply is, you see that works because while all those things give you something ciggerates give you so many health benefits that it is unbelieveable (sarcasm) finally, you are saying that the resturant arguement doesnt count and then you start about not having a lot of children? jesus christ you are a hypocrite

in short you points are invalid you say that i am not right for saying something then you start saying the same thing later you are an idiot that i guess wants cancer, good for you, please respond its fun bashing you over and over again with your aweful rationalazations