This "cod hate" is getting out of hand.

[Nannernade]

and fallout new vegas were exactly like their predecessors but did the fans complain? Nope.

Didn't complain? Where were you a few months ago, people were bashing New Vegas left and right with it's huge flaws, lack of exploration etc etc. Now I can't speak for Killzone or that other title you mentioned but good god please think about what you are going to say before you say it. When I started reading your thread and before I go any further I am in no way nor do I ever plan to be a troll. But I imagined a guy foaming at the mouth going CALL OF DUTY IS THE BEST GAME IN THE WORLD!

In short, no matter what is released there will always be flaws and people to blow them out of proportion. It is best to ignore it and let it pass on to the next thing that will eventually be torn to shreds by the complaining populus.

 

[garjian]

In retrospective, ... fallout new vegas were exactly like their predecessors but did the fans complain?

yes.

...and ive complained about assassin's creed myself.

i hate COD because of its community, full of modders (in itself not bad, but in public matchmaking?) and hate-mailing kids... along with terrible spawning issues on some maps and, on a level based more on personal preference, focus on sniping.
but the main reason is that noone as of yet has been able to tell me exactly what's so good about it... it seems to me that people like it because its popular, but it seems so fundamentally flawed... and all of this is why, when i ever do play FPSs, its generally Halo.

 

[Chibz]

FPS fans getting mad at halo makes about as much sense to me as fighter fans getting mad at Smash Bros.

I'd like to take this moment to point out that SSB as a series (Gasp) aren't fighting games. They are, at best, party games with fighting game elements. Learn the difference, it can save your life some day.

 

[Jegsimmons]

Meh, it's the next Halo.

Except Halo actually is fun and has good gameplay. And jetpacks.

and innovation, and a good community with a great company to back it up, and a actually damn good story that branches out into other mediums like books (excellent read by the way), and some funny in jokes.

Haha, seriously. I will never get all the Halo hate, TBH - it's actually a really good game, and is popular for a reason. FPS fans getting mad at halo makes about as much sense to me as fighter fans getting mad at Smash Bros.

Halo has tied half life and portal (same universe so i group) as my favorite game series because it goes out of it's way to please ME. and they dont try and whore it like others (even though microsoft knew better than halo ledgends...dear god why?!)
thats what i look for in games, good story, gameplay, characters, and ethics/morals in the creators.

god bless you halo and your innovation and jetpacks....

(also, kahuna-burgers are delicious with a good sprite ;D)

 

[Kahunaburger]

FPS fans getting mad at halo makes about as much sense to me as fighter fans getting mad at Smash Bros.

I'd like to take this moment to point out that SSB as a series (Gasp) aren't fighting games. They are, at best, party games with fighting game elements. Learn the difference, it can save your life some day.

Depends on who you ask - I've seen a bunch of different opinions haha. IMO, it plays more like Soul Calibur than, say, Mario Party, so I consider it a fighter. Smash:Tekken::Halo:ARMA 2.

 

[Kahunaburger]

double post

 

[Zechnophobe]

Seriously i can browse the internet without seeing so many people spam about it everyhwere even in non cod related videos/articles and if you say something negative about the game they are like "go play cod" like its some knida insult when in reallity its one of the most sucessfull franchises thus a very good geame. I guess its the same as halo back then when it was bashed.

But what pisses me off is how BIASED those haters are

They say that MW3 looks rehashed and same as last year.

Well, in E3 i saw uncharted 3,assasin's creed revelations and spiderman edge of time. If no one told me i would say i was looking at their predessecors, yet only cod is bashed.

In retrospective, killzone 3 and dead space 2 and fallout new vegas were exactly like their predecessors but did the fans complain? Nope.

Infact if you go take a look in game that tried to change, you will see they piss of the fans and failed like prince of persia in 2008, fans were pissed so they made a warrior within clone after that.

Hell if you take a look a the past you will see many similat situations, eg doom 1 and 2 were practicly the same with one new weapon and a bunch of monsters, when they made doom 3, everyone was pissed it changed. Same thing with blood 2 or the tomb raider series, all tomb raider games till angel of darkness were the same, after that they change the game and took their chances and the fans hated id and went back to the last 5 "Recycled" tomb raider games.

Hell even stalker series are recycled, suprisingly people only bash cod about it like all those examples i pointed out do not exist.

Another thing will be is that they say there are too many cod games and it has gone stale over the year wih no changes whhile praising bf3 which comes from a franchise who is doing the same formula for farrr longer with very few additions. Eg: BF3 is basicly bf2 with better grpaphics and destruction(since they bringing back the airplanes)

Imo this cod hate is getting out of hand and its way too biased.

See, you are playing Call of Duty 10 or whatever. My lineup of games includes: Minecraft, terraria, Alice, Civ 4, King's Bounty, Assassin's Creed (brotherhood at the moment), Spiral Knights, Ruse, and some others.

How many of those are all that similar to each other? And yet, it seems the number of people who play pretty much nothing but either the most recent Halo or the most recent CoD is annoyingly large. Sure when I get around to AC: Revelations it'll be a fair bit like AC Brotherhood... but I've done many many other things in between!

 

[Chibz]

Depends on who you ask - IMO, Smash:Tekken::Halo:ARMA 2.

The best argument for SSB is to argue that it's a "fighting game for dummies" and helps bring more people into the actual genre. This is an overall good thing, the fighting genre doesn't get NEARLY enough love.

Also calling if a party game is neither a bad nor good thing. It's just... a thing.

Spoiler: This, apparently

Most SSB fans get really anal over it being called a party game with SOME elements in common with the fighting genre.

 

[Black Watch]

I hate COD b/c nothing ever changes and I despise the 7 million+ sheep that continue to graze on this crap while never asking for anything new.

 

[Nokterne]

I'm just tired of them getting pumped out so quickly. They haven't really improved the game at all since CoD4, just changed stuff around, and added gimmicks.

Treyarch lost all my respect with what they did to the snipers in Black Ops. Sniping was the only thing that was fun in the series to being with, and they ruined it.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Except Halo actually is fun and has good gameplay. And jetpacks.

I disagree.
I find the Halo franchise to be no less overhyped, mediocre and formulaic than the current Call of Duty franchise.

Then again, given how many gameplay elements Call of Duty copied from Halo, that isn't really all that surprising.

 

[Kahunaburger]

The best argument for SSB is to argue that it's a "fighting game for dummies" and helps bring more people into the actual genre.

In my mind, accessible=/=bad. Chess is accessible, as are poker and soccer. So I wouldn't discount any game based on how easy it is for new players to get into.

 

[Corporal Yakob]

killzone 3 made crouching a toggle option and let me put aiming on the L2, that some significant improvements. it also added a really fun MP mode that is limited to 3 maps for some inexplicable reason.
also successful =/= good.
and what we really hate is the yearly release, the lack of real change, the 15$ map packs and the fans who eat that shit up and ask for seconds.

But it also had an appalling ending, an atrocious plot and removed iron sights from my favorite guns in favour of holographic sight blocks-what the frick!?! Also whats up with Operations being limited to just 3 maps? I love seeing my dude do something awesome in a cut-scene, its one of the reasons I loved Saints Row 2 so much.

As for COD-its becoming steadily more and more about the online modes with weaker and weaker single player campaigns, the SP is fun to go through but its just too short and reliant on massive explosions that knock you down constantly (I think you get knocked down in a scripted bit at least once a level in Black Ops) and I hardly need to say anything about the online community.

 

[Chibz]

In my mind, accessible=/=bad. Chess is accessible, as are poker and soccer. So I wouldn't discount any game based on how easy it is for new players to get into.

I'm not discounting it at all. I'm just saying that the series isn't the genre that people like to imagine it is. By having fighting game elements, they help ease people into the much more complicated fighting genre.

It's... sort of like how checkers is frequently used to ease people into chess. Except a different genre entirely.

 

[Imper1um]

The reason why "CoD" is a "Bad Word" nowadays is because of Kotick.

Kotick is forcing the same game to come out every year. CoD is the "Madden" of 2009-Present. Even Madden/NCAA tries to come out with new features and stuff every year, although Madden/NCAA has the issue that they CAN'T make a different game every year. They are restricted by the NFL and NCAA Ruleset.

However, with Call of Duty, there is no real restrictions. Call of Duty 4 brought to realization that they no longer had to rely on the historical. They could come up with whatever they felt like. It worked very well because the multiplayer was balanced pretty well (it had exploits that were figured out later, but, yeah), and the Singleplayer was awesome. However, with the recent 3 games of CoD, its offering nothing really new from CoD4:
- CoD:WoW was CoD4 MP, switching out the weaponry from the 21st century to the 19th century. The Singleplayer was laughable.
- CoD:MW2 was CoD4 MP as well, adding in customizable killstreaks for MP, but remaining unchanged for much of the system. It was obvious that the entire IW team just wanted to end the MW series. However, Kotick took the "dead cow bat" and extracted the vile that is now:
- CoD:BLoPs is, again CoD4 MP, with 19th Century weapons, and the same gameplay, and the singleplayer that was laughable. Four hour campaign that had no bearing on anything but, the mission you were on. No explaination, no ending, no beginning, no nothing. All it was is a bunch of missions. We all laughed that it even existed.

So, that's why we say that you should "go back to CoD".

 

[Zarkov]

Imo this cod hate is getting out of hand

So is your grammar. Seriously, you're not helping your case here.

Also, I see a major flaw in your argument here: Even if everything you say about the games you listed are true, how does that make CoD any better? Even if Assassin's Creed, Uncharted 3, Spiderman were also franchises that rehashes the same game (which they're fucking not), what does that have to do with CoD? The fact still stands that they're not very good.

Haha, well played. You know, one tip to the original poster: Good grammar always gets you argument points. It'll help your cause if you deliver your argument AND sound intelligent while you're at it.

But either way, Call of Duty has been getting away with this shit for way too long. We need to stop buying this shit.

In a logical perspective, however, it's a great business model. Only significant development costs go into the campaign which is constitutes for only a third of the games features; the rest is copy and pasted with a new slap of paint over the cover. And at the end of the day, they get to call it a finished and original product and put it out on the market for 60$+, and know that just because the predecessors sold well that it would too.

Ingenious. I'm not sure why their fanboys haven't figured this out already. But I guess that's why they're called fanboys, huh?

 

[idarkphoenixi]

First of all I'd like the make it clear that just because something is popular it DOES NOT instantly mean it's good. Justin Bieber is insanely popular after all. So was Avatar, the Twilight series. Hell, even the Star Wars prequels made bank.

None of the CoD hate is unfounded, there Is a reason (and quite a good reason too). It's not so much that it's a bad game but rather its a good game we've been asked to buy several near-identical versions of. No other game that I can remember treats its customers this much like an udder, something thats only there to be milked for every last penny they have.

To put it simply: Yearly releases + ridiculously priced DLC = a lot of hate.

 

[Zarkov]

The reason why "CoD" is a "Bad Word" nowadays is because of Kotick.

Kotick is forcing the same game to come out every year. CoD is the "Madden" of 2009-Present. Even Madden/NCAA tries to come out with new features and stuff every year, although Madden/NCAA has the issue that they CAN'T make a different game every year. They are restricted by the NFL and NCAA Ruleset.

However, with Call of Duty, there is no real restrictions. Call of Duty 4 brought to realization that they no longer had to rely on the historical. They could come up with whatever they felt like. It worked very well because the multiplayer was balanced pretty well (it had exploits that were figured out later, but, yeah), and the Singleplayer was awesome. However, with the recent 3 games of CoD, its offering nothing really new from CoD4:
- CoD:WoW was CoD4 MP, switching out the weaponry from the 21st century to the 19th century. The Singleplayer was laughable.
- CoD:MW2 was CoD4 MP as well, adding in customizable killstreaks for MP, but remaining unchanged for much of the system. It was obvious that the entire IW team just wanted to end the MW series. However, Kotick took the "dead cow bat" and extracted the vile that is now:
- CoD:BLoPs is, again CoD4 MP, with 19th Century weapons, and the same gameplay, and the singleplayer that was laughable. Four hour campaign that had no bearing on anything but, the mission you were on. No explaination, no ending, no beginning, no nothing. All it was is a bunch of missions. We all laughed that it even existed.

So, that's why we say that you should "go back to CoD".

It's almost becoming an MMO subscription for patches to their precious multiplayer shooter. In fact, that may not be a bad idea. Just make ONE game, built to the best graphics the Xbox can handle, and the have a subscribers fee attached to it too. I mean, it's almost the same thing as they've been doing now, so why not just standardize it.

 

[Waaghpowa]

Meh, it's the next Halo.

Except Halo actually is fun and has good gameplay. And jetpacks.

Eh, for me it depends on when I played it. I wont deny it was fun when it was first released, but going back now to play them, I find them dreadfully boring.