This generation may just be just a footnote in gaming history.

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Sonic Doctor

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tahrey said:
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* googles "Super nintendo cartridge battery" *

Dude... it's just a CR2032. Like you get on computer motherboards, IR thermometers and all kinds of other kit. Quite possibly the most commonly used button cell in the entire world. I've got a twinpack of them in my desk drawer right now that I bought for work purposes and probably won't even bother trying to claim the expenses back on. It's not "specialised", I just walked into a supermarket and plucked the blister card off a shelf display, paid and walked back out.

Is there a suggestion here that the "inflated" price of these things (which, in their intended use, often last 10 years or more) might stop you repairing your carts? For serious? As in, the extra 97 cents or so difference between the bulk-order ones and the store-shelf ones?
I never said that inflated prices would stop me or anybody else from repairing game cartridges. I was just nicely pointing out a cheaper way to get them. Also, I didn't know they were specialized or not, just guessed at that.

I did happen to go out shopping for other things, but swung by a couple places that had battery racks, and I was pretty close to the price. In both places, a two pack of said batteries was $3.50, so if I bought 5 packs = 10 batteries, with the tax percentage from my area added on that would be $18.73. So, by buying the batteries off of E-Bay for $10.21, I would save $8.52. Of course I'd rather get them off E-Bay and wait a few days to get them, instead of hop in my car and quickly get them. I don't consider $8.52 extra worth it remove a couple day wait to get the batteries.

Yes the E-Bay thing is bulk, but really:

1.) Always good to have extras(which I always tend to buy extra so I don't have to make other trips/purchases in the future, in which they could cost more because of inflation).

2.) Very rarely do I encounter a person that had an old console that had only a couple games, so I figured they might want to get batteries for other games they might have.

These days, only ten batteries wouldn't cut it though, considering I have over 50 NES carts and a dozen SNES, and around the same N64. Granted not all of those games have save features that need them, but I know way more than 10 do.

So of course in the end I would end up buying the bulk amount, I've never bought items in bulk and ended up not needing the rest some time later, especially with batteries that will of course need changing some time. Saving money is saving money, even if it is a couple cents.
 

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Yopaz said:
I've talked to a lot of people who have never heard about the SNES or even SEGA, considering SEGA is still making things that shouldn't be the case, but that's how it goes. The reason you keep hearing discussion about the SNES isn't that the generation was so good, those days were my favourite, but that's no good measure to evaluate the generation, it's because of nostalgia. I grew up in those days, I wasn't tainted by the cynicism of life. It will be the best generation because of my innocence

Will this generation be part of history? Probably not. Neither is the SNES.
History =/= what average people know, and even then I'd like to believe most gamers(hobbyists and people with some level of interest in the genre.) are at least vaguely aware of what happened in the 80's and 90's. I wasn't around for the Commodore and know what it was. I've never actually seem a live NES other than through emulation, I still know what it was and so on. You can't compare the MegaDrive or SNES with a game&watch or the ironically virtually unknown Odyssey.
 

Yopaz

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Auron said:
Yopaz said:
I've talked to a lot of people who have never heard about the SNES or even SEGA, considering SEGA is still making things that shouldn't be the case, but that's how it goes. The reason you keep hearing discussion about the SNES isn't that the generation was so good, those days were my favourite, but that's no good measure to evaluate the generation, it's because of nostalgia. I grew up in those days, I wasn't tainted by the cynicism of life. It will be the best generation because of my innocence

Will this generation be part of history? Probably not. Neither is the SNES.
History =/= what average people know, and even then I'd like to believe most gamers(hobbyists and people with some level of interest in the genre.) are at least vaguely aware of what happened in the 80's and 90's. I wasn't around for the Commodore and know what it was. I've never actually seem a live NES other than through emulation, I still know what it was and so on. You can't compare the MegaDrive or SNES with a game&watch or the ironically virtually unknown Odyssey.
Well history isn't just the past either. A significant event in history would be when the first animal got out of the ocean. Does the average person know when, where or what? No-one knows this, it's still history, it's even important history.

My first steps however aren't. The history concerning NES or SNES is significant in its own field, but as part of anything other than game history it doesn't really hold any significance. It's so insignificant that it will be among the kind of trivial information that will be forgotten. Maybe I am just too concerned about events that matters though. I unlike you like to look at the big picture rather than my own tiny world.
 

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I think this generation will if for anything else be remembered as the generation in which gaming and nerd culture really entered into the consciousness of the main stream media and public, and I personally believe that has a lot to do with our current console generation being the most accessible to new people out of ANY of the previous generations. If any console generation is going to simply fade into history I would think it would be last gen gamecube, xbox, PS2.
 

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What makes something stand the test of time is equivalent to how much people still care about it. If anything, the numerous threads about backwards compatibility illustrate that many of you don't care; some even outright stating "you are perfectly happy with never playing another ps3 game again". I admit, I haven't been the biggest fan of this gen, but to see it's biggest advocates say things like that makes me wonder: What exactly will still exist of the PS3 and Xbox360 20 years from now? If you don't care, and the game devs/publishers don't care... who will?


It's been 20 years since the SNES and Genesis came out, and they're still talked about all over the internet. Their games are still selling all over eBay, some for exorbitant amounts of money. They're all still playable, to. 20 years from now, people will still talk about the first console wars and people will still be buying overpriced cartridges on eBay. Is that existence even possible for 360 and PS3? Or will they and everything they compass disappear in the ether along with their services?
This is a valid opinion...if you were a part of that old school generation. I never had a SNES or a Genesis because well I wasn't born yet. My first console was a Sega, and soon after that I got a Playstation 1, and I think I was 5-6 when that happened. So for me, I don't give a rats ass about SNES or Genesis games because I never played them as a kid and have no nostalgic views, or any to be honest on that generation. Every generation is important to those whom grow up with it, I often find myself playing my PS1/PS2 and enjoying the older games that I use to play, but it's very rare for me to play a game on the PS1/PS2 that I never played during it's lifecycle. So yeah, I remember MY good old days of gaming, but I don't think this generation is worse and lacks any franchises worth talking about. Between Mass Effect, Call of Duty, Saints Row, Borderlands, PROTOTYPE, and Infamous there are plenty of duds, but games such as those will forever live on in people hearts and will probably be played and discussed for a long time.
 

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I think this generation is one of the more significant ones - between the popularization of gaming as a mainstream activity (if pop music has a history, why won't pop gaming?), the proliferation of mobile gaming, the social gaming boom, the controversies (a media historian is going to love probing through the quasi-insane history of DRM, I reckon), the eventual end of physical software media has roots in this generation with the popularity of digital distribution and DLC.

There's a lot for media history that connects or is directly related to this generation.
 

thiosk

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Most games from every era never even get footnotes. There are some horrible ones, every platform. Back in ~2000ish I bought some "matrix" trash for pc that couldn't even get to the setup phase. Some nes games were awful. The vaunted snes has titles I don't even remember hating.

However, I will agree that there seem to be few standouts these days, the money has migrated into a movie blockbuster format- short lifetimes, and out of your mind as soon as the power is off. Further, I will pose that bad has gotten worse.

But we see the progression at work. From consoles, to pc, back to consoles. And now back to pc. This isn't about the master race, this is about the fact that consoles are starting to become little more than the avenue for the next call of duty to be delivered. When Sony says they have some great lineup for the ps4, all I can imagine is that he's talking about mostly about a cod, gears, and a god of war. Probably a protofamous or something.

See ya at the next steam sale I guess. I can't even go into GameStop to look at cool stuff anymore, because there's nothing cool.
 

Therumancer

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Luca72 said:
I think most of the medium is going to disappear with time as it evolves. The SNES games we talk about now probably aren't going to be discussed by the next few generations who never encountered them naturally. A few standout games will represent each "generation" or "technological jump", but most are just part of the stream.

For example - Hollywood made probably hundreds of movies in the film noire genre. That genre is important because it influences the style of crime movies today. However, we only remember a handful - Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep, High Sierra if you want to get crazy. The individual films aren't important, it's the legacy that is.

So a game like Daggerfall or Morrowind might be remembered for their scope. GTA III or IV might be remembered for open world gameplay. Hell, Doom might be remembered as an early FPS. Who knows. But most of the things developers are implementing into AAA games right now are only impressive for this particular moment. If a game is sold on graphics and "realism" alone, it's not going to matter in a few years when graphics have dramatically improved. I remember an Extra Punctuation article where Yahtzee wondered if future generations would think todays games are weird for their pseudo-realistic clay-looking faces. I think that's absolutely correct - what looks impressive now only looks impressive because of what preceded it. What follows will more or less eliminate what we have now.

But the other thing is who really cares if these games disappear? It's all part of the process. That magical experience some of us had with Commodore 64 games or something on the Gameboy is identical to the experience a kid is now having on a PS3 or 3DS. And that kid will grow up to believe his experience was more valid than a kid in 2030 playing a game on his Quantum Processor Crystal. As long as the medium keeps growing and evolving, the individual elements don't matter as much.

We're all footnotes to everything - that's evolution, baby.

Yes and no.

The thing to understand is that with previous generations of games they were really crude and using primitive technology to convey things in a fairly abstract sense. We've gotten to the point in the last couple of generations that artwork pretty much stands on it's own merits and is pretty much perfect for what it is, your seeing pictures good enough where you could publish them or hang them on a wall. The music being created and used is as good as anything mixed in a studio, because really... that's what it is (and studios are using computers for that matter). Technology does move on, but we've reached a point where the improvements are less extreme than they were before. We've gotten to the point where the music is music, and the pictures stand on their own, it's not a matter of saying "well this is good for a sound card" or "we have twice as many colored blocks in our pixel pile as the other guy", if we want photo
realism it can be done, but arguably we still see a lot of 2D still art and such because photo realism isn't what
always works.

One of the things that came up with this generation of games in paticular is that it wasn't so impresssive compared to the last generation that people lost all interest in those games. Heck, huge amounts of effort have been made just to modify PSone games so they can be resold to run on current systems because that is what people want, many games from that era still hold up, and find new fan bases today. It's also why backwards compadibility has become such a big issue, fans wanting to keep their libraries, but companies realizing they can make money by re-selling people the same products.

As far as older games from the SNES, Genesis, etc... those games survived and became timeless largely because of their relatively small size, and the ease of emulating them. Tons of people, including new gamers, play those games nowadays because really you can get your hands on dozens of them with minimal effort. One of the first things that seems to happen with portables is people finding ways to emulate a lot of that stuff for them. Realizing this is in part why you periodically see companies re-releasing compilations of old games (Sonic's Genesis Connection, etc...).

The big question with the games of this generation is largely going to be accessibility, they are simply too large to easily store, transmit, and archive in bulk. Later this might change, but by the time it does, there are questions as to how much of this stuff will still be out there, though I imagine it will endure to some extent. I also suspect over the next few years of the next generation companies will begin doing whatever it takes to re-sell copies of old games in the new formats.

Overall though my point is that I think claiming any generation of games is really "dead" is pushing things. As much as it might make sense on paper, there have been huge communities dedicated to nothing but emulation and abandonware, and similar things, many of which don't advertise because of technically being involved in piracy, or existing in a shaky legal gray area. Overall the less official attention the better. Today's games are going to be tomorrows fodder on emulation and abandonware sites in 10-15 years with thousands of new gamers discovering old treasures constantly.
 

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You said people are "perfectly happy with never playing a ps3 game again."
I'm perfectly fine with rarely playing my PS2 (never is a strong word).
Next gen, I'll be fine with rarely playing my PS3 as support dries up and I move on.
Hell, I still have my GameBoy Color, which wasn't exactly insignificant, yet I don't have the urge to play pokemon blue now.

I don't think this generation will go down as a footnote, because plenty of noteworthy things happened/developed, for better or worse.

Mobile game became a powerhouse.
Social games (like Farmville) rose and fell in popularity.
The rise of Free-to-play games outside of a stereotypical WoW knockoff. (Warframe, Tribes, MechWarrior)
Rereleases (sp) became popular again.
Mass Effect had the first popular case (not sure if something on PC before hand) of progress from one game carrying into another, and then another past that.
DLC. Season Passes. Post-launch support in the form of new paid content. Granted, this was building off of the old expansion packs, but DLC often implies, a smaller bit of content.
The introduction of Always-on DRM and it's growing pains.
Microtransactions. And microtransactions on full-priced games.
The collapse of THQ.
LucasArts closed its doors.
Consoles became more than just video-game machines due to integration from third parties (Netflix, twitter, hulu, etc)
Motion controls became popular (and failed. However, they will almost certainly come back in the future, and the devs will look at this generation)
The whole Video games as art debate, and the Supreme Court decision in Schwarzenegger v EMA)

Now granted, all of that is news off the top of my head. If you're going by games, we still have an impressive list for this generation.
But I already made one list.
The thing to keep in mind is that it's a small percentage of people who continue playing previous generations on a regular basis. If you have your NES (and the batteries work), do you really spend more time on that now than a modern system? Yet the NES was very important to gaming history, and that generation is remembered. Just because the new generation draws people away from the old doesn't mean the old is useless. But this generation will soon become history, and I want to keep up with gaming as it evolves.
I'll still be using my PS3 until I get a PS4, and probably still use it after. I sure as hell don't feel bad for wanting to play Infamous: Second Son, a continuation of a series that started this generation.
 

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TheRightToArmBears said:
Oh god damnit people, enough with the nostalgia and the doom and gloom. People always say that things used to be better and the future will be shit, about everything. And it's all bollocks.

This gen gave us Bioshock, Call of Duty 4, Mass Effect, Red Dead Redemption, Assassin's Creed 2, Bioshock Infinite, Dishonoured, Skyrim and Minecraft. 99% of everything is shit, you just don't remember the shit SNES games as clearly as you can remember the turd that was Medal of Honour: Warfighter. I'm confident that people will be talking about some of these games in the future.

And also, how much do people sit about and talk about 20 year old games? Do you not think that the majority of the people that are talking about them might just have grown up with them? You know, like kids are growing up with this gen.
I agree wholeheartedly. I see the pessimism on these forums is rampant.

I have enjoyed every gen of games I have been a part of, and I still do for the most part. Some games don't hold up as well today, but its more because technology isn't exactly compatible than anything. In fact I find more old cartoons I thought were cool as a kid actually suck donkey balls now that I'm older, but the videogames I loved as a kid are still games I enjoy and still play from time to time.
I also agree with the amount of great games on previous generations is likely to be the same % as today's, people just forget the mediocre ones or prop up absurdly horrid ones as "so bad its good". But still the amount is relatively the same, and there were a lot more cheap knockoff games made for consoles "back in the day".
 

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This generation will be remembered for having good working online mp (some may for the cost of sp quality).
It`s the first gen where ingame graphics stepped up to be as good looking as the CGI movies and replacing them.
This gen brought online stores, featuring digital copies and smaller games, that wouldn`t have seen distribution otherwise.
With this gen i had the pleasure of getting a little adventure revival with the TellTale games (loved to see Guybrush and Sam&Max again).
 

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Yopaz said:
Well history isn't just the past either. A significant event in history would be when the first animal got out of the ocean. Does the average person know when, where or what? No-one knows this, it's still history, it's even important history.

My first steps however aren't. The history concerning NES or SNES is significant in its own field, but as part of anything other than game history it doesn't really hold any significance. It's so insignificant that it will be among the kind of trivial information that will be forgotten. Maybe I am just too concerned about events that matters though. I unlike you like to look at the big picture rather than my own tiny world.
We are discussing gaming history, this is the topic "This generation may just be just a footnote in gaming history." not the "let's insult other people for no reason" thread.
 

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I figure the prominence of online consoles, handheld's rise, the whole MMO thing, and the reemergence of small studio indie games would be enough to count as historical significance, don't you think? We've also had a slew of legitimately good titles that honestly will be remembered as good games, and will be on peoples' Steam lists for years to come anyways.

This could also arguably be the generation where games became a protected art form in America, women not only started buying into the medium in droves but also were able to change the industry for the better, publishers got knocked down a few pegs by Kickstarter and indie developers, and developer/player interaction came into its own. I would say all this is also historically significant from a historical point of view just as much as the content of the games themselves.
 

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A footnote?! Impossible. If it will be remembered fondly or not, that I cannot say. But just a footnote, never! There are many reasons to support my claim, many of them already stated above by people more articulate than I am.
However I can completely empathize with older gamers (such as myself). We've kinda had our golden age, let's be real, we're never going to feel about modern games the way we felt about those we grew up with. But stop and think for a second that for younger gamers this is their golden age. They are having their Super Nintendo moment as we speak.
Sure, there are many reasons to think we live in dark times for gaming. People preordering stuff blindly (I for one never understood preordering anyway) , people ranting about micro transactions in forums the going in game and using them, threads about the relevance of this generation in the history of gaming ending up in "how to change your cartridge battery" tips etc. I like to look upon them as being growing pains though.
P.S. Hey, Peter Pan! Yeaaah, I'm talking to you! You know who you are. If you have to play 15 year old games in order to have a fulfilling gaming experience maybe you're not actually a gamer anymore. Maybe. Anyway, if you can't relate to any present-day games perhaps I might suggest (respectfully) that you get off your soap box.