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werepossum

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Khell_Sennet said:
Well if you're willing to buy your next one used, there's about 6 different makes/models that are the exact same vehicle... Easier to find one if you're not dead set on the Chevy one.

Asuna Sunrunner
Pontiac Sunrunner
Chevy Tracker
Geo Tracker
GMC Tracker
Suzuki Sidekick

Yaris and Echo hatchbacks are just as good on gas too, and much nicer to drive. Them f*ckers discontinued the Echo the year I went to buy a car, and I tried the Yaris but the redesigned interior shrunk the headroom for the driver, I literally couldn't fit into the thing.
We only got the Chevy or Geo Tracker and the Suzuki Sidekick in the States. From what I understand Suzuki stopped making the Sidekick convertible in 2002 and the Tracker convertible in 2003. Problem with buying them used is that the little engines don't last too long. I'm hoping the 2003's larger engine will last longer. Either way I'll probably buy something hardtop and four-door next time (after half a century it's probably time to grow up!) but I'll still want something 4WD with two-speed transfer case, four cylinder with good gas mileage, and capable of towing our little bass boat.

On bikes, I had a buddy that carried a Coke bottle in his belt for windshields. (This was when they were thick green glass and a nice shape and weight for hurling.) I tried not to annoy people who could run me down even with a cracked windshield. I've only been run off the road twice, both times by women in large luxury cars, but I was pretty fanatical about not riding in blind spots and doing things like swerving and standing up on the pegs to draw attention to myself.
 

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I don't have to worry about it right now, my car doesn't even work. I do however feel the desire to give my friends money when they take me from place to place, which is starting to cut into my food budget.
 
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If I didn't have to transport my 3 year old daughter about I would have traded my car and got a motorcycle by now.

I drive a zippy little Mazda 323 Astina that gets an impressive 100km per 7ltrs but with todays prices I am getting absolutely owned at the bowser. I'm glad I don't drive my 4.2ltr V8 Holden anymore. I wouldn't be able to afford to drive it down the shops.
 

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I have 2 Nissan trucks...one is a 97 and the other is a 99...modded the exhausts from the catalytic converter back and use the Quad plugs and K&N air filters...upped me to around 28 mpg on both in town with over 100k miles on both. Just a thought, but yes the higher gas prices do suck. Exhaust, plugs, and filters can help a ton. Costs me around $50 to fill one of them up now and before it was around $20 American.
 

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You know, I'm actually kind of ashamed of my fellow Americans because of this post. It kind of comes off like, "What luxury items do you have to give up because it costs more to drive your precious car now?"

That's a really bad way to approach the problem and sounds very selfish.

For FAR too long, we've enjoyed driving irresponsible vehicles FAR too much, bought luxury goods until our credit is higher than we can possibly afford, and let oil companies control our economy while we smile and turn the other way as we fill up our tanks.

It's time for a change. You don't have to give up gaming if it's what you enjoy. Figure out ways to reduce your consumption in other ways if you don't want to stop playing:

Move close enough to work so you don't have to drive, stop eating out or buying enough prepackaged food to feed Myanmar for a week

In April I moved about a mile from work so I could walk (as opposed to the 25 mile round-trip drive I used to do daily). I'm paying 25% more in rent and actually SAVING money. I also only start my car about once a week now. Reclaim the cities and centralize!

Seriously, the party's over, we need to stop being mindless consumers and try to make an impact.
 

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It's hitting me hard sure, but as a twenty year old college student living at the boarder of the backwoods of New England, there isn't much I can do to keep me from using my car (Which eats gas like it were going out of style.) I can't afford a new car, or used car up front, I live thirty minutes from my job which is only part time for the summers I'm back from school, I can't get a job near home because all the high school kids have them, and the ones that might be left don't pay enough for me to either quit my job or waste gas driving to them as well, as I live a good ten minutes drive time away from anything and everything.

Gaming is just a hobby, that's all it's ever supposed to be. So when I overdrew last week because i needed gas and food, and not because I spent it on some frivolous luxury item, I didn't feel that horribly American. I've picked up more hours at work, I'm getting training now for more responsibilities which should lead to a pay raise, and I'm doing what I can to save.

The only thing that really, really bothers me is the whole public transport argument. It assumes that it's available everywhere, or if it's not you'd be close enough to walk or bike where you need to go. It's not available here, I'm not close enough to walk or bike with out arriving exhausted and smelling horrid, and I don't have the damn means to move closer, for fuck sake I'm in school! I live at home with my mother during the summer! The Girlfriend doesn't even have her bloody license, she's the same age as me and I tell her don't bother it's cheaper this way, but if I thought I lived in the middle of no where, she lives in a void... It sucks, it down right sucks, and until a solution is found that works for everyone there isn't anything more I can do.
 

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I don't suppose public transportation is an option?
Not in my town -_- I'll skip the details but the only public transportation available would be having to call a cab (on the phone, of one that is in another zip code) or carpool, and now that gas prices are so high, everyone argues about who should carpool, how far they should go, etc. etc.

What's the most desperate thing I had to do? Well, cut down on driving, a LOT, when it takes 60 USD to fill up a 16 gallon V4, when you've been use to paying 30-40...it hits you hard.

shatnershaman said:
I'm surprised more people are not trading in their cars for hybrid or electric cars.
Easier said than done of course, but my reason is because I've got a V4, and don't drive enough (or as much as I use to) to where I need to convert to biodiesel or natural gas, or trade in for a hybrid.
 

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ThePoodonkis said:
Yeah, we (the US) have really hurt gas prices since our We-Had-Nothing-Better-We-Wanted-to-Do-So-Why-Not-Screw-Over-Everyone war.

I speak for all...-wait no, George Dubya Bush wouldn't agree with me, he's making money off this.

I speak for most Americans when I say sorry for destroying the economy.
Yeah... That's not the biggest problem with America and gas prices. It's the fact that everyone has a car and drives all the time, and everywhere.
Our country was built on luxery. We became a car culture doing the 1930's and everybody had kids and whatnot who probably were out there dieing in vietnam and WW2. So its not terribly bad just the enviromentalists slow stuff down without giving a good alternative. Which there is one but its long and hard to explain. And why didn't we take over iraq? Everybodys nearly dead there anyway so it would be simple just to claim it under the U.S and we could build there all we want. Plus it would give us reasons to bomb everybody else if bullying anybody that looks at us funny approach is not working well enough.
 

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Bulletinmybrain said:
So its not terribly bad just the enviromentalists slow stuff down without giving a good alternative. Which there is one but its long and hard to explain. And why didn't we take over iraq? Everybodys nearly dead there anyway so it would be simple just to claim it under the U.S and we could build there all we want. Plus it would give us reasons to bomb everybody else if bullying anybody that looks at us funny approach is not working well enough.
Where do you get these ...interesting... ideas?
 

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Jimmyjames said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
So its not terribly bad just the enviromentalists slow stuff down without giving a good alternative. Which there is one but its long and hard to explain. And why didn't we take over iraq? Everybodys nearly dead there anyway so it would be simple just to claim it under the U.S and we could build there all we want. Plus it would give us reasons to bomb everybody else if bullying anybody that looks at us funny approach is not working well enough.
Where do you get these ...interesting... ideas?
Video Games

...And thus the circle is complete
 

ThePoodonkis

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Bulletinmybrain said:
Silvertounge said:
ThePoodonkis said:
Yeah, we (the US) have really hurt gas prices since our We-Had-Nothing-Better-We-Wanted-to-Do-So-Why-Not-Screw-Over-Everyone war.

I speak for all...-wait no, George Dubya Bush wouldn't agree with me, he's making money off this.

I speak for most Americans when I say sorry for destroying the economy.
Yeah... That's not the biggest problem with America and gas prices. It's the fact that everyone has a car and drives all the time, and everywhere.
Our country was built on luxery. We became a car culture doing the 1930's and everybody had kids and whatnot who probably were out there dieing in vietnam and WW2. So its not terribly bad just the enviromentalists slow stuff down without giving a good alternative. Which there is one but its long and hard to explain. And why didn't we take over iraq? Everybodys nearly dead there anyway so it would be simple just to claim it under the U.S and we could build there all we want. Plus it would give us reasons to bomb everybody else if bullying anybody that looks at us funny approach is not working well enough.
That's my point. If the war in Iraq wasn't happening, America would be less hated by the general populace of The Milky Way Galaxy.
It's time to just start drilling into ANWR. Forget the environmentalists, we just need about 100 acres, right? The animals have another 19,049,136 acres to roam on.

EDIT: I do support the war, but we went about it all wrong.
 

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ThePoodonkis:

Why do you think that drilling in Anwar will do anything about oil prices? Have you EVER seen the price of gas go down substantially?

When I started driving in the year 1992, gas was $1.75 a gallon. Now- i have never, ever, EVER seen gas go down in price except than a brief 10-20 cents, followed by another sharp increase.

So why do you think drilling in Alaska will change anything except ruining the environment and giving the oil companies MORE power?

What we need to be doing is getting OFF gas.


Isaac Dodgson said:
Jimmyjames said:
Where do you get these ...interesting... ideas?
Video Games

...And thus the circle is complete
Hahaha, nice one.
 

iamnotincompliance

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The price of petrol/gas in the UK is at todays exchange rate about $12 a gallon *
so stop whining about paying 50 bucks for a tank full when we in Europe are paying **
around $140 - 160 per fill also try driving more econmical cars and research ***
how to turn the fat of all those obese people into a viable alternative to gas,
just think you could be self sufficient in fuel and wouldn't have to invade other
countries to steal their oil ****
* Enough already, we know this. We have known this, your governments are inexplicably more insane than ours is, taxing the shit out of fuel so the demand for small efficient vehicles will skyrocket. It worked, tell them to knock it off and quit bothering us.

** $50 for a full tank? That was last week! Get with the times! It's about $86.90 now.

*** More economical cars? Like the ones you guys in Europe already have, and have had for more than a decade? Yeah, we know, we like it if you could send of those over here, but what with European emission and safety standards differing from ours, we're not allowed to have them. However, as a consolation prize, we have the 20 mpg city/highway Chevrolet Tahoe hybrid. (Not to mention all those other expensive hybrids that still pall in comparison to your non-hybrids)

**** Yeah, invading other countries to steal their oil. That's why the price has tripled since that idiotic war started.

Not to pick on you, personally, but that hit all the major points. Now to hit on a few of the other opinions stated here.

(1) Move closer to work. That's all fine and good if you can afford to. I, for one, cannot. I currently pay $0/month, and still barely skid by through life. Moving is clearly not an option. As for finding work closer to home (not mentioned but infinitely more like to work for everyone else), I've been trying that for three years now, and every time I get the old "Thanks, but no thanks"

(2) Buy a hybrid... Well, shit, if I had the money to do that, I wouldn't be complaining, now would I? (Actually, if I had the money, I'd buy a Tesla and have downstate hot rod guru Troy Trepanier make me a new trunk and hood with built-in solar panels wired directly to the battery, but I digress) This is why I'm trying to fix my "more economical than everything else at the house" car, but driving the gas-sucking Explorer to a low-paying job 13 miles out of the way leaves me with both little time and little money to get such a project done.

(3) Public transport... In an ideal world, this would work. This world, however, is far from ideal. I would have to drive further than the 13 miles to work to get to the nearest bus stop (which, amazingly, would get me to work), but the buses around here are notoriously unreliable. Actually, the entirety of the Chicago Transit Authority is notoriously unreliable. Actually again, the entirety of everything in the entire Chicagoland area is notoriously unreliable, so fuck it all.

(4) Stop driving everywhere... In a country with 2 and a quarter centuries of obvious haphazard planning (if any planning occurred at all) of... everything, driving everywhere is the only way to get anything accomplished.

So, what is the problem? Why are gas prices (and therefore the price of everything else) skyrocketing? Simple, someone else on the forums mentioned it, and the facts check out, so i re-iterate them here: speculation. Oil prices rise for every single bad thing that may or may not happen anywhere, and unlike the rest of this post, that is not hyperbole. If anything could potentially happen that might in some way disrupt world wide oil flow, prices go up, whether or not bad thing actually happens, or was even remotely possible to happening in the first place. People ***** about it, adjust to the new level, so there it stays. If prices dropped to where they ought to be (accounting for the increased demand by China, India, etc.), we'd probably be paying $2.25, maybe $2.50 a gallon today. Except, of course, in Europe, where new taxes would be levied to jack it up to $14/gallon equivalent.

Drilling in the Alaskan reserves will do exactly what drilling in the 80% protected U.S. coastline would i.e. nothing for about 10 years.

Anyone who actually bothered to look up where the U.S. gets it's oil would note that Mexico and Canada are where the vast majority of it comes from. Roughly 1 out of 8 gallons of gas used in America is European, because they produce far more than they actually use.

So, to actually answer the posed question, and not simply rant, rising prices haven't affected me much. I was always saving for things anyway, now I simply save less.

[EDIT] More ranting. The Tesla is an example of environmentalism done right: showing America it's entirely to have our cake, and eat it too (stupid phrase) (mmm... cake...): a "green" car, check that, a fun green car without (most of) the drawbacks. It doesn't matter the few can afford it, and it's thoroughly impractical, it's a symbol of what can be done. The Whitestar sedan (half the price of the roadster, twice the seating, currently in progress) is what most people would end up buying. If Honda ever gets around to actually creating that rear-engine Insight concept they had a few years back, I will be pleased with that as well.
 

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I don't understand Americans complaining about it costing $50 to fill up.
Come to England and a mid sized saloon (so a mini by US standards) costs about £100 to fill up.
How does $200 a stop sound?

Either way I cycle most places, so fuel prices affect me very little.
 

Isaac Dodgson

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fix-the-spade said:
I don't understand Americans complaining about it costing $50 to fill up.
Come to England and a mid sized saloon (so a mini by US standards) costs about £100 to fill up.
How does $200 a stop sound?

Either way I cycle most places, so fuel prices affect me very little.
I find it absolutely hilarious that you've posted this right after the long, but poignant rant before it, especially given the content of the beginning of said rant and that of your post... Ironic really...
 

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I'm still lucky enough to be driven everywhere, mostly on the bus, so the only effects I can see happen on the ticket prices.

Bloody eighty pence!
 

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Jimmyjames said:
ThePoodonkis:

Why do you think that drilling in Anwar will do anything about oil prices? Have you EVER seen the price of gas go down substantially?

When I started driving in the year 1992, gas was $1.75 a gallon. Now- i have never, ever, EVER seen gas go down in price except than a brief 10-20 cents, followed by another sharp increase.

So why do you think drilling in Alaska will change anything except ruining the environment and giving the oil companies MORE power?

What we need to be doing is getting OFF gas.
Now that I think about it and I look it up more, ANWR is a bad idea this late in the crisis. The major gas companies have now realized that they can charge whatever they want for gas and we'll pay it.

And yes, we need to get off gas. I'm leaning on hydroelectricity.