This is just wrong.
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Hmm, I always thought that schoolwork wasn't allowed to be an advertisement. Why would it need to be anyway, schools get funding.
Pokemon does the same thing really.darkfire613 said:
Personally, I think its a great plan financially and from a business standpoint. Draw them in while they're young, so you have them hooked well through their adult years.
... its what I would do if I ran a business. People seem to forget that thats what Microsoft is. A BUSINESS. As in, they are existent solely TO MAKE MONEY. FROM ANYONE. They're not making games out of the goodness of their hearts for our enjoyment.
As a whole, I think homework does have a place in school. When it's done right, it is extra practice. I don't know what classes you are taking, but some of my classes need extra time to fully understand the material. The problem with homework is when it becomes busy work. As I type this, I am supposed to be typing some blog posts totaling 2,500 words. This is nothing more than busy work. It has no merit on the course in any manner. If you think about it, homework is the way to ensure students are learning. Yes, the point of school is to learn. But how do you quantify that? I guarantee that if a teacher asks a student, "Did you learn the material" the student will say he has. Especially if he knows saying he doesn't would mean extra work to do. I know that's what I would have done in high school.TestECull said:DeadFOAM said:Hahaha, at least one of my references finally worked.jcallen said:
That's my whole gripe with homework. Either way you look at it it's pointless. A good teacher won't have any need to assign it. I guess it's because modern parents are more concerned with marks than they are with their kids actually learning anything so teachers artificially inflate grades with stupidly easy curriculums and tons of busywork they don't even check for correctness. I had several teachers in high school who outright admitted that Homework was just grade padding and as long as it was turned in on time and some effort(Which for me meant googling) was put in they'd give a 100. Even had one that gave a 100 whether or not you even did anything as long as it was turned in.DeadFOAM said:
So if this is acceptable, what isn't? If a corporation is allowed to buy teachers to advertise their products in school and then form grades based on those advertisements, then where do we draw the line? Is it fair to buy senators, is it O.K. to spill oil in the gulf of Mexico? We can't really accept "They make it for money, so it's O.K." as an argument.emeraldrafael said:
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I dont know. Really nothing if you're marketing, cuase you're only doing what you're supposed to, make money. I'm a business major (Accounting to be specific) so making money to me isnt evil and there isnt alot that a company can do to make "bad" money.Traun said:
if i had to say anything, I guess it would be segregation/discrimination in marketing (marketing only to Christians instead of Jews, or only to whites instead of Blacks), but thats more rules against basic principles of any "free" democratic country.
EDIT for your EDIT: You're not very familiar with how politics work, are you? There's that thing called "greasing the wheel." Its how stuff gets down in Politics. Look at Rob Gavoyobich (I know, I screwed that up) the guy that tried to sell Obama's senate seat. Look at Cigarette companies. you think back room deals dont go on there? You think local governors dont take back door deals? You should google the scandalous things about the Kennedys and how Joe Kennedy "bought" John's presidency. Its how thigns work. Is it right? prehaps not. But those arent business.
Also, ever heard of something called tracking? In a school, its where you place students in classes relative to their potential (those who will get As and be successful get the most attention and help, those who arent getting As and will get Ds and Fs get little to no effort/help).
Are those right? Probably not, but those arent businesses. Microsoft is. The more money it makes the better it does. You cant blame them or condemn them for waht they are made to do.
Oh god we had to watch that for "Theory of Knowledge", an IB course similar to philosophy. We had a neo-hippy [footnote]seriously, he drove a VW, had a Greenpeace flag, and even dressed as one for Halloween. Alright guy, not so alright teacher.[/footnote] teacher and he showed it to us. I don't even remember what it was about. I remember some kid trying to throw a basketball. That's it.The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
Do you know how many times something has to be repeated for a kid to actually learn it? 19 times. Homework can help reinforce that. That's not to say that all homework is good. The OP is a perfect example of bad, pointless homework. But repetition is how things get into your head.TestECull said:DeadFOAM said:Hahaha, at least one of my references finally worked.jcallen said:
That's my whole gripe with homework. Either way you look at it it's pointless. A good teacher won't have any need to assign it. I guess it's because modern parents are more concerned with marks than they are with their kids actually learning anything so teachers artificially inflate grades with stupidly easy curriculums and tons of busywork they don't even check for correctness. I had several teachers in high school who outright admitted that Homework was just grade padding and as long as it was turned in on time and some effort(Which for me meant googling) was put in they'd give a 100. Even had one that gave a 100 whether or not you even did anything as long as it was turned in.DeadFOAM said:
Furthermore, in the real world, you're expected to turn in your work on time. Kids need to practice their organization skills if they want to succeed, and homework provides just that.
Yeah that is pretty bad... I know the 1st year spanish classes at my school get little magazine things like that to read that are usually full of corporate marketing but not entirely about one damn object
I had the incredible machine at our school when i was a kid... Good times working out how you could get the ball into the box or light the candles with whatever you had. Stuff like this can be good in moderation.Sean.Devlin said:
As for this though I'm not really shocked about this. This is just really disappointing to see from a teacher who is meant to guide children in there education. It's rare to find a teacher who really inspires you to learn. I think I've had 3-4 teachers in my entire education from preschool to uni that have actually made me want to go above and beyond the call. That's my opinion and hopefully the rest of your teachers have been a bit more inspired in trying to teach then the one above.
How do your parents feel about what your brother is being given as 'homework'?
when it comes to topics like these i would like to simply bring ppls attention to the fact that in Sweden (where i'm originally from, don't live there a lot tho) it is illegal to release ads aimed towards kids. If you want to make an ad about a product for kids, then aim the ad at the parents. Kids are too easily influenced, and at a certain age can't fathom why their parents can't simply "get" them stuff.
I believe this approach is the best, its not fair to either the kids or the parents when an ad tells the kids: "Get this superfun toy! It's the best thing ever! Go tell your parents to buy it for you NOW!"
I believe this approach is the best, its not fair to either the kids or the parents when an ad tells the kids: "Get this superfun toy! It's the best thing ever! Go tell your parents to buy it for you NOW!"