This whole "blaming fast food for obesity" thing really needs to stop.

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justnotcricket

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The Gnome King said:
Stammer said:
The Gnome King said:
And... your parents are upper-middle class white people who have health insurance for you, right?
Close... lower-middle-class white people who live in Canada (so we have free health care).

But, uh, what does this have to do with anything? lol
If you have free health care? A lot.
Genuine (peaceable!) question here: what does free healthcare specifically have to do with this? If there's an angle I'm not seeing please enlighten me, but 'free' healthcare is not a panacaea.

I see that if you were able to visit the doctor more regularly you might get better advice on managing your weight, but that's about it. And being able to get treatment for obesity-related disorders doesn't actually stop people from going home and continuing to make poor lifestyle choices.

Free healthcare does not make you immune to advertising or the effects of cholesterol, salt and sugar. It doesn't stop fast-food providers from making nutritionally useless foods. Free healthcare doesn't make you more inclined to exercise or watch what you eat.

Yes, free healthcare is good. I wish that America would hop on the wagon and offer free healthcare to its people. But it won't stop the problem that has been given for discussion in this thread.
 

Kakashi on crack

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Kinda both. I'mm guilty of eating fast food as much as the next guy, but I know which places to eat at and which not to. McDonalds and Taco Bell for instance are filled to the brim with stuff not meant for your body while some other places such as wendys and Carls Jr./Hardees are ok every once in a while.

So, it really depends. It's mostily the person's fault IMO because look at it, food from a grocery store is CHEAPER than fast food almost every time unless you eat off the value menu. So its mostly a matter of willpower to buy and cook your own food, even if its unhealthy foods your cooking yourself. (such as the luther burger mentioned above =D)

That being said, some places are just flat out encouraging the problem such as McDonalds claiming to be healthy. (I haven't been able to eat there since I was in elementry school simply because there is way too much fat and artificial crap in it for my stomache to handle)


For anyone who brings up salads at a fast food joint, I'd like to point out this: http://consumerist.com/2007/05/the-myth-of-salads-why-why-fast-food-salads-arent-necessarily-going-to-help-you-lose-weight.html
 

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i'm afraid that asking people to be accountable for their actions is a request that will go unanswered. people are afraid of accountability, and tend to hate those who sy it's their fault for anything.
 

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its half and half. ultimately, what you eat is your choice, but come on, fast food is the most readily available and a cheap source of food that is EVERYWHERE. europe generally doesnt have mcdonalds permeating their cities, TVs, billboards, skies, and malls nearly as much as it permeates america.

if may make up statistics for metaphorical purposes for a moment, fast food makes up like 90% of food available in america, you can always chose to eat the other 10%, but that is logically the more difficult choice. i happen to live in a little town that doesnt allow any fast food to decrease tourism, so i have a grocery store a short walk away as my most readily available source of food; for the vast majority of america however, fast food is plainly and simply the easiest and most economic choice.
 

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I blame a couple things. Cars, sugar and plate sizes.

Most of the food in the grocery store is sugary, fatty, or high in carbohydrates. All of which are bad.

Unless someone eats vegetables as one of their main staples regularly, a lot of people have nutritional dysfunctions in their bodies. Weight gain is just one problem. Vitamin and mineral deficiency is just as bad.

It's a fact that a lot of people will put as much food on their plate as there is room. If you give someone a large plate they will fill it sub-consciously (from which the phrase my eyes are bigger than my stomach comes) but if you give them a small plate they will do the same thing and still be content. Do our dinner plates really need to be so huge? No. It'd be one thing if it wasn't done sub-consciously but it is. Now, I'm not saying that people eat all of their plate, just that they fill it full by either force of habit or without recognition of the fact.

Exercise is also now something we have to take time away from our already busy and time-lacking lives to perform. Most people find this something they just can't afford. This includes people that live sedentary lives, are possibly parents and work full time jobs that tire them enough as it is.

Personally, I find it disgusting how some people tend to focus on fat individuals as if they were less than human or somehow lesser than everyone else. They're just people that have a problem they need to work out, like most people do. You may not be overweight but I'm pretty darn sure if put under the spotlight some pretty bad stuff could be brought to the surface.

People that are alcoholics, smokers or drug addicts have problems too, but somehow they're more socially acceptable, even though their problems are just as bad. Perhaps it's because they retain the ability to continue to be more aesthetically pleasing to the eye, in any case it still sickens me that heavy people have to not only suffer with their problem, but worry about social pressure and anxiety because of how they're treated and talked about.

Next time you make fun of someone look in the mirror and think of your own problems you would hate to be worn around on the outside with you. Fat people aren't so lucky as to be able to hide their problem, but they're still human beings.
 

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lucky_sharm said:
Shouldn't the blame for obesity be given to the people who chow down on 3 Big Macs all at once or feed their kids excessive amounts of greasy food a day? Fast food isn't in the very least deadly so long as you eat in moderation or exercise often enough. Why can't people ever hold themselves accountable for anything?
Well, even when I disagree with it, I try and understand the other side.

Realize that in today's increasingly technological world people are increasingly sedimentary, not doing much physically however does not prevent us from becoming stressed or tired, and actually psychological disorders in the first world like depression are reaching all time highs. Arguements about people being responsible and exercising sound good, but really aren't practical for most people. The only real success in dealing with things like this has come from things like executive fitness programs. That is to say that in addition to giving an employee of sufficiently high rank a lunch break, they also get a seperate break to hit the exercise room they keep around just for these people, and they are required to say put in 30 minutes to an hour a day there (perhaps even having it verified) as a manner of protecting what are seen as corperate assets. This isn't common, but it's out there, and has little to do with the vast majority of people stuck in a life-rut.

When it comes to fast food, it's also important to note that people today don't nessicarly have the time to prepare most of their own meals. There are exceptions, but the bottom line is that most people who are working full time or spend a lot of time travelling typically consume a ton of cheap, quickly prepared foods. This is one of the big reasons why fast food places ranging from Chinese Takeout, to Mcdonalds are such a prescence to begin with.

The issue is pretty much that for millions upon millions of people when lunch and/or dinner roll around they go looking for whatever they can get during their break, that is going to be as cheap as possible. Lacking many real alternatives, this means things like Mcdonalds (and this is incidently why you see lunch and dinner rushes at fast food places). Healthier food comes with coorespondingly longer times to obtain, and higher prices to boot.

Mcdonalds and similar resteraunts are out to make money, so of course they want to produce their food at cheaply as possible, with health being a tertiary concern other than the press. They also realize that they pretty much have a captive audience for all intents and purposes so there is little real motivation for them to change. Hence a big part of why some people are crying to the goverment to create and enforce tighter requirements when it comes to the health of fast food. Of course a big part of the issue is also that they want to force these high standards without an increase in price.

The problem isn't guys sitting down and doing 3 Big Macs in one sitting, that's a stupid stereotype that has nothing to do with reality. People become obese slowly, over a period of time, and it comes from getting into a rut, doing sedimentary jobs (as a good portion are nowadays) and then eating what are normal sized meals of low quality.

I understand the points being made. I think it's a touchy subject because there is no easy solution. People by and large can't just change their eating habits because things evolved this way for a reason. The problem is with society and the whole nature of the workplace in first world nations nowadays. By the same token I hardly think the goverment should be involved in directly regulating resteraunts any more than they already are. I hardly think the goverment would fix anything by getting even more heavy handed with fast food joints.

I don't have any answers that I think are practical, but I do understand why the situation is being criticized. Less blame is put at the feet of the consumers, because those who understand the issue, and debate it seriously, typically don't see them as the problem, rather than the situation itself.
 

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I agree with the OP here, that "fast food doesn't make you fat, eating a lot of it does." On the other hand, I'm sure I could make a Whopper-sized burger that has half the calories of an actual Whopper and tastes better.

Volume is important because the amount of food in your stomach is part of what makes you feel full. Fast food makes it easier to get fat because it's calorie-dense, so even if the amount you're eating is sensible and healthy, the calories you're eating may very well not be okay. Yes, it's real food, unlike what some people want you to think, but the people who set the recipes don't care about the health of their consumers. I could eat a McDonald's burger, which is made of sticky high-fat beef on a gluey white bun and rubbery cheese, or I could go get some 97% lean ground beef, cook it up with some onion and black pepper and whatever other spices, put it on a wheat bun with a slice of good cheddar cheese...wonderful. And I bet it has fewer calories than McDonald's. I could even make a milkshake that is just as good and still lower in calories. (Don't get me started on how Dairy Queen loses hard to any quality ice cream.)

The problem here is that fast food is cheap. If we want to blame fast food, we need to figure out a way to sell food that is both cheap and prepared in a healthy way. We just haven't done that yet, and it may not be possible. Bad cuts of meat and scads of sugar are really cheap. Lean, healthy meat and whole grains aren't.

Can the government do anything? Not really. Fast food exists because there's a market for it. What we really need is an overhaul in the way America views work and free time. Americans are more rushed and pressured and on the go and stressed than ever before. We barely get vacation time, and then we feel bad about taking vacations and bring work with us. And the more stressed we are, the less we want to spend on "unnecessary" things like preparing and cooking meals for ourselves.

If we can learn to take free time, and if jobs will give us free time, we will have more time to sit back and fix other parts of our lives that aren't work. We may actually go to the gym, or cook dinner instead of eating a burger on the way home.
 

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It's an issue of caveat emptor (let the buyer beware). Is fast food so bad for the consumer that it's reasonable to underestimate it without being told explicitly? These days the industry has side stepped the question by making it much easier to find out the information about what your eating.

In 1999 you couldn't really make an informed decision about fast food without consulting outside sources. Then a bunch of lawsuits happened and now you can make an informed decision without going to an outside source.
 

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Yeah really fast food is not bad... It's just a way fat people can blame someone other than themselves...
I eat fast food a lot but am I fat? No... Why? Because I go to the gym so that fat is turned into muscle or burnt off, really I think the fast food companies get way too much beef from fat people (Get It!) I wish burgers were how they used to be... But things like this made them rubbish.
 

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If you eat less than you need to and you spend more calories than you get. Believe it or not, you will loose weight!

I always wonder how can people eat that crap to begin with... I get sick of Hesburger and Macdonald's foods due to the spice they use in their burgers, I am allergic to it.

The issue in my opinion that American (and UK sometimes) legal system defies reasonable logic. In Finnish court you wont get 75trillion dollars for suing over coffee that is too hot, you can't even make legal case of it. And in Finnish law you are not allowed to get rich with compensations, you are only allowed to be compensated from the material damage (which you need to be able to proof) and you are able to get 11,50euros a day for the Medical compensation, must be inspect and recomended by a doctor tho.
 

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michael87cn said:
Exercise is also now something we have to take time away from our already busy and time-lacking lives to perform. Most people find this something they just can't afford. This includes people that live sedentary lives, are possibly parents and work full time jobs that tire them enough as it is.

Personally, I find it disgusting how some people tend to focus on fat individuals as if they were less than human or somehow lesser than everyone else. They're just people that have a problem they need to work out, like most people do. You may not be overweight but I'm pretty darn sure if put under the spotlight some pretty bad stuff could be brought to the surface.

People that are alcoholics, smokers or drug addicts have problems too, but somehow they're more socially acceptable, even though their problems are just as bad. Perhaps it's because they retain the ability to continue to be more aesthetically pleasing to the eye, in any case it still sickens me that heavy people have to not only suffer with their problem, but worry about social pressure and anxiety because of how they're treated and talked about.

Next time you make fun of someone look in the mirror and think of your own problems you would hate to be worn around on the outside with you. Fat people aren't so lucky as to be able to hide their problem, but they're still human beings.
No one is being dehumanized. The only people who are being ridiculed are the ones that blame their own problems on others rather than holding themselves accountable. Read carefully.

Whether or not parents or other individuals can afford the time to exercise depends on what kind of full time jobs that they have. Some of the people I know are doctors and government workers that work full time but they can still find the time to exercise.

Are alcoholics and smokers more socially acceptable? Where did you hear this?

...Okay reading the rest of your post, now you're just being overly sensitive and taking this far too personally. Fat people have a problem. You're right. Should I feel bad because they're suffering from social pressure and anxiety? Of course. But should I pity fat people that don't work to fix their problem and instead blame it on others? Hell to the no. Which is what this thread is about. This topic isn't called "lol haha fat people" so again, read carefully.
 

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The Gnome King said:
If you have free health care? A lot.
I'm sorry for kinda going on about this, but could you be a little more specific? I'm really not getting it lol.
 

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A normal mcdonalds meal isn't actually THAT bad in 'weight watchers'(I'm not sure what it's called in America, Jenny Craig?) points a chicken sandwich meal with normal fries is 9 points compared to like 24 or something for a chinese carry out. It really is all about moderation.

If you overeat any type of food it can be bad for you except maybe green vegetables which have no calorie content. The people who are getting obese don't exercise or work off the calories they have consumed it's as simple as that. Although there are illnesses which can exacerbate it.

I suffer from depression and anxiety and have tried to lose weight alot but end up depressed again. I lose the will to exercise and the weight gain goes back on. I don't nessercarily eat loads either. This is totally a will thing and I understand it's my fault but I would hope that people would be understanding about it to an extent.
 

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Well, as long as the consumer is accurately informed, then it's entirely their own responsibility whether they eat there or not.

Whether fast food chains inform sufficiently that you're probably going to suffer health problems if you eat there regularly is then what's up for debate; Given that it's pretty much common knowledge, I'd think they do.

Nothing much to do about it anyway, other than a legal requirement for minimum information; can't really ban McDonalds in a free and democratic society.
 

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The Gnome King said:
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I think that the fault needs to be put on the fact that organic, healthy food is so expensive. If someone can't afford fresh vegetables, then it doesn't matter how much they want to eat healthy, they're stuck at mcDonalds.
Stop worrying about whether it is organic and just go to the local supermarket and get some veggies. Evil pesticides are not a problem if you wash your veggies. And it has always been cheaper to prepare your own meals any time I have tallied up the costs compared to buying premade(fast food or microwave).
Do you also tally up the costs of time=money and meal prep=time?

I'm with you, bro - I'm an upper-middle class white person who has always had medical insurance. Now I live in an (upper middle class, white) family that also has health insurance and extra time to wash veggies for dinner. My wife (a vegan, we're all vegan) spent 2 hours making soup for the "family" tonight because .she.has.time. to do this.

Wouldn't be the case if we were poor and had a few kids.
Yes, I take time into account. Most people actually have more time than they think, but manage it poorly or choose to devote it to something else. Plus cooking and meal prep is not generally an end-to-end process during which nothing else can be done.
 

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DanDeFool said:
Epic Meal Time is the most disgusting thing I have seen since I learned about the Holocaust in history class.

That said, I like how they tried to make and drink out of a cup made of bacon. It didn't work, but I still think it was cool how they tried.
As a history major I can tell you there's a lot more disgusting things out there than the Holocaust and epic mealtime.

This particular video is actually based off old cooking techniques. I described it to my mom (who hardly ever goes on youtube) and she knew what it was. Henry VIII ate similar dishes to this, and so much meat was a luxury usually only available to the wealthy. Now days meat is cheap and usually pumped full of growth hormones.
 

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Sir John the Net Knight said:
bushwhacker2k said:
Sir John the Net Knight said:
People fail to keep in mind that schools are assigning ungodly amounts of homework to students now, which is also majorly contributing to sedimentary lifestyles. Although PC states, and this is clearly bullshit, that teachers are above reproach and can never have their actions questioned.

I have no respect for educators at all. For every good one, there's 199 shitty ones who would be fired at any other job.
I don't know what PC is, but I pretty much totally agree. So many teachers are awful at what they do, and oftentimes I hesitate to even call them teachers, what knowledge are they actually imparting that isn't prejudicial propaganda? As I stated before, not all teachers are bad (my physics teacher kicks major ass, gives little to no homework and spends most of his time trying to get us interested in physics instead of throwing equations at us) though.

Also, I often find myself questioning the value of homework... how many jobs are there that will require us to work at home? If we are forced to use our private time for things that should be done at the workplace(school) then what are we doing at school? Wasting time?
PC would be the common acronym for Political Correctness. A totalitarian set of social guidelines designed to enforce uber-liberal social ideology and rearrange societal structure by stigmatizing certain behavioral patterns and idealizing others.
Oh, I suppose it would have been more accurate of me to say I don't know what it stands for rather than saying I don't know what it means. Your definition of it seems fairly accurate, thanks :D