klaynexas3 said:
jamail77 said:
I said Sozin, not Ozai. Ozai was over the top villain, but he was painted over the top villain so perfectly that I almost am willing to allow it. He's never shown until much later in the show, and even then only has a few moments and a few words. He's actually given an atmosphere that makes him menacing and worthy of his title of mustache twirler. Kuvira just feels boring over the top, like she's just a *****. Human, but a *****.
And boy, do not get me started on that mother fucker Unalaq, I still have yet to recover from his atrocities he's done to the show.
Uhhhh, I know what you said. My question was rhetorical, as in compare her to a villain more like her. I thought I was pretty clear in that, but I guess not. I mean, it's not like your post doesn't say Sozin. It does. How would I miss that exactly? Sorry, that came off harsh. It's probably mostly fault on my end: I could have worded that better. Might have been safer to just state the obvious rather than use an ambiguous rhetorical question.
Anyway, Sozin, even at his worst, was a lot more human than Ozai. He is a bad person to choose for comparisons, so of course it'll just help you make your point. Why choose Sozin when Ozai is a lot more applicable? Because it weakens your point or because you thought Ozai had enough going for him to come off better than Kuvira as a character? You don't think Sozin is actually worse than Ozai do you? They're equal at best and even then at least Sozin had an episode showing him having actual friends and real emotions and stuff unlike Ozai who got no such episode. When Azulon told Ozai he needed to understand what loosing a first born felt like I actually had a hard time believing Ozai was really Azulon's son. That requires too much emotional connection for Ozai to understand. Why would Azulon suggest something Ozai isn't capable of feeling? Because he thinks Ozai gets it, but he doesn't. Just shows how much more messed up Ozai really is if he turned out the way he is despite his father being human...well semi-human. Asking your son to kill his son is pretty messed up regardless of semi-righteous reasoning.
Obviously, you thought Ozai's atmosphere cancelled all that out. The thing is nobody talks giddily about Ozai; they talk giddily about Azula. He made for a good final boss and furthered Zuko's development and Azula's descent into madness, but he didn't really mean much to the story. He was very generic, perhaps saved by Mark Hamill's voice acting and that's it. What made the original series great was the nuances of the war, the cultures, the choreography. Ozai didn't make any of those better. He just helped tie the overarching story together, which is actually impressive considering how little we see of him until late in the story. I know this is just my opinion, but Kuvira feels better than that.
Good to know you think Unalaq is worse. Thank god. With everyone complaining about Kuvira I thought everybody forgot there was a worse villain in Unalaq. Some people make it sound like Kuvira is the worst
Korra villain yet. No. No. Just...NO. Unalaq takes the cake by a long shot.
klaynexas3 said:
Qwurty2.0 said:
It's not unrealistic, it's very realistic. It's just boring. It just shows little growth in her character mentally. It's growth concerning herself mostly, and, well, she's a bit of a narcissist to begin with, so her mentality towards herself, rather than as an Avatar or as to what the world needs, it's just a let down as to what it could have been.
And I'm not saying Varrick is as awesome as Tony Stark, I'm saying it's obviously who they are trying to copy. Varrick doesn't match what Tony is, but Varrick is obvious pandering, the creators trying to create some character like that, and failing miserably.
As someone who thinks most of the public has zero understanding of mental issues this comes off as somewhat ignorant and very assuming based on superficial conveyances in the show. It kind of sounds like people who think those who attempt suicide are secretly actually very selfish. They understand nothing of the thought process. I'm not saying you believe that, but it makes for a useful comparison.
I mean, not wanting to get hurt doesn't make her more of a narcissist. She WANTED to get the poison out; she WANTED to get better. That is most certainly tied as much to herself as it is to her Avatar status and the world's needs and it feels disingenuous to argue it's not. Toph reveals it's a subconscious thing. In fact, Korra reacts kind of saddened by that news. She obviously doesn't like that a part of her is resisting her responsibilities. Korra did want to get back in the action deep down beneath the trauma. I'm not sure, but I think the creators actually revealed in an interview or fan Q&A that Korra was desperately fighting her own insecurities because she doesn't really believe in them, kind of the opposite of what you took away if I'm understanding your criticism right. It's not like she reluctantly re-assumed her role. Korra doesn't care that she gets hurt. We know this because she has thrown herself into dangerous situations before. The trauma just had that much of an effect on her psyche, her mental stability. I'd say the fact she overcame it shows quite a lot of growth honestly. She even said to Toph that the world needs the Avatar when Toph argued her attempts at righteous action helped nobody. Korra obviously cares.
You may disagree with me on this or argue the creators did a terrible job of conveying this, but if so then, well, we're going to have to agree to disagree here. If nothing else, this may win yet another
Avatar series an award for portraying the reality of serious issues. The original series won it for its portrayal of nuanced themes regarding war while this might win for managing to show the recovery process of a physically and mentally traumatized individual so respectfully. In fact, a few people who recovered from paralysis or accidents or something along those lines have come out and praised the portrayal of Korra's recovery. I've seen a couple in the forums on this site and I think there was an article about it. I don't think they'd be praising the recovery of a narcissist, but maybe that's just me.
As for Varrick, are they failing miserably when so many people love the character? I suppose you could argue many terrible things do well among joe shmoe consumers , but the point of a show is to entertain the majority, joe shmoe or not, and a majority of the Book 4 audience continues to love Varrick's role. You're in a minority here. From your standpoint, they're failing because you're not entertained, but from the creators' standpoint and the Varrick fans' standpoint Varrick is an all around success. I do agree that he's a sort of Tony Stark character, but his quirkiness and odd habits separate him enough and make me quite like him actually. You sounded like you liked him at first and got sick of it, but I am still entertained by him. Another agree to disagree maybe?
