Time to have a talk about trends in anime

[Edl01]

I'll say what I say to everyone who brings up this stupid argument. Most anime that came out in the 80s sucked. Most anime that came out in the 90s sucked. Must anime that came out in the 2000s sucked. And most anime that comes out today, say it with me, sucks.
The thing is people don't remember the shows that suck, because people just don't watch them. Are we really going to say anime 10 years ago was all amazing, when Ikki Tousen came out then. And are we going to say all anime today is the same when amazing shows like Jojo's are still being made.

The obvious fact here is that you are simply looking at the past with rose-coloured glasses, remembering all the brilliant anime of the past, while ignoring the all of the crap that came out back then. Chances are in 10 years someone else will make the same thread, but instead they will be saying only good series like Fate/Zero, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and Kuroko's Basketball where being made at this point.

 

[crazygameguy4ever]

Izanagi009: you said and I quote "Given my recent posts and my general views on the medium, I think it's time to have a bit of a talk

Sure, we get possible classics like Psycho-Pass, Kill la Kill, and Captain Earth but it seems that for every one of these, there are two or more either mediocre slice-of-life or stupefying harem show that gives more cause to want to detach from the medium."


You consider Psycho-Pass, Kill la Kill, and some anime (I've never heard of) called Captain Earth classics? in what alternate universe? where crap is considered good?...


Anyways.. I've noticed the rapid decline over thee years of my beloved anime... the last good anime series I've seen that are new was probably Deadman Wonderland,My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU and Haganai.. but most new stuff has been garbage..

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

No things are not worse you are just exposed to more than you were before and thus are seeing more crap shows. Go watch some of Anime Abandon with Bennett the Sage if you blast of shit from the past. As for stuff for Valvrave being bad due to coming from a certain studio regardless of the studios past I don't know what you were expecting after the first episode. The end of the first told me this will a train wreck that fixes the train wreck by throwing more train at it kind of show. It most certainly delivered on every front.

A). the whole theory about exposure is possible but i still feel that the movement towards pandering could be seen in the last few years

B). I expected a fun trainwreck, not one that seems to requires a frikking rape and senseless charcter deaths

Right so before we go any further I just want to check what you mean by pandering. If you mean pandering as in a sexual way with fanservice/ecchi anime and the moe slice of life stuff or pandering with geeky power fantasies.

In the first case there has been pandering in anime since more or less the start. The only thing that has changed in that regard as far as I'm aware is the volume of skin shown or rather a slightly large volume of shows with ecchi as a genre. To say that is was never there before the new millennium is a bit disingenuous to say the least. As far as mal can tell ecchi has been going strong since the mid 80s. Also there has been an ever growing slice of life singularity since more or less forever.

Spoiler: organised search on mal that ends at 2000

http://myanimelist.net/anime.php?q=&type=0&score=0&status=0&tag=&p=0&r=0&sm=0&sd=0&sy=1970&em=0&ed=0&ey=2000&c[0]=a&c[1]=b&c[2]=c&c[3]=d&gx=0&genre[0]=9&o=2&w=1&o=2&w=2

Now if you mean pandering as in sense of stuff like Outbreak Company being an anime for anime fans then I can't really say as I don't know much about those. I am more than willing to accept that it is possible that stuff like No Game No Life and all the other such things may be a relatively new phenomenon but I'm not going to say it is as I don't have enough info of past shows to say it is new.

On Valvrave what other anime can have depending on the definition of rape both participants being raped in one of the most jarring scenes of the decade while having the tonal whiplash of a lightspeed spaceship crash.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

I'll say what I say to everyone who brings up this stupid argument. Most anime that came out in the 80s sucked. Most anime that came out in the 90s sucked. Must anime that came out in the 2000s sucked. And most anime that comes out today, say it with me, sucks.
The thing is people don't remember the shows that suck, because people just don't watch them. Are we really going to say anime 10 years ago was all amazing, when Ikki Tousen came out then. And are we going to say all anime today is the same when amazing shows like Jojo's are still being made.

The obvious fact here is that you are simply looking at the past with rose-coloured glasses, remembering all the brilliant anime of the past, while ignoring the all of the crap that came out back then. Chances are in 10 years someone else will make the same thread, but instead they will be saying only good series like Fate/Zero, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and Kuroko's Basketball where being made at this point.

no, there are crap in the past (hell, watching Ikki Tousen reviews makes me vomit) but stuff like that can just be explained as stupid and brainless. Now, with the emergence of stuff like Recently, My Sister is Unusual and Super Sonico, it almost feels like that some thought was put in, just in application of attracting shut-ins. Ikki Tousen was ultimatly stupid but fairly harmless, Recently and Super Sonico though seem to have an almost malicious stupidity to them to attract an audience.

I will concede though that I was a bit too "doom and gloom" though.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

Izanagi009: you said and I quote "Given my recent posts and my general views on the medium, I think it's time to have a bit of a talk

Sure, we get possible classics like Psycho-Pass, Kill la Kill, and Captain Earth but it seems that for every one of these, there are two or more either mediocre slice-of-life or stupefying harem show that gives more cause to want to detach from the medium."


You consider Psycho-Pass, Kill la Kill, and some anime (I've never heard of) called Captain Earth classics? in what alternate universe? where crap is considered good?...


Anyways.. I've noticed the rapid decline over thee years of my beloved anime... the last good anime series I've seen that are new was probably Deadman Wonderland,My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU and Haganai.. but most new stuff has been garbage..

I would advice that if you are going to claim that the shows i consider good are actually bad, to please give me a mini review as to why. Simply saying they're bad doesn't really help the disscusion.

As for the shows you watched, I have no comment on SNAFU (not my type of show) or Deadman Wonderland(haven't seen it) but watching Haganai made my slam my head on the desk over and over at how banal it was

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

No things are not worse you are just exposed to more than you were before and thus are seeing more crap shows. Go watch some of Anime Abandon with Bennett the Sage if you blast of shit from the past. As for stuff for Valvrave being bad due to coming from a certain studio regardless of the studios past I don't know what you were expecting after the first episode. The end of the first told me this will a train wreck that fixes the train wreck by throwing more train at it kind of show. It most certainly delivered on every front.

A). the whole theory about exposure is possible but i still feel that the movement towards pandering could be seen in the last few years

B). I expected a fun trainwreck, not one that seems to requires a frikking rape and senseless charcter deaths

Right so before we go any further I just want to check what you mean by pandering. If you mean pandering as in a sexual way with fanservice/ecchi anime and the moe slice of life stuff or pandering with geeky power fantasies.

In the first case there has been pandering in anime since more or less the start. The only thing that has changed in that regard as far as I'm aware is the volume of skin shown or rather a slightly large volume of shows with ecchi as a genre. To say that is was never there before the new millennium is a bit disingenuous to say the least. As far as mal can tell ecchi has been going strong since the mid 80s. Also there has been an ever growing slice of life singularity since more or less forever.

Spoiler: organised search on mal that ends at 2000

http://myanimelist.net/anime.php?q=&type=0&score=0&status=0&tag=&p=0&r=0&sm=0&sd=0&sy=1970&em=0&ed=0&ey=2000&c[0]=a&c[1]=b&c[2]=c&c[3]=d&gx=0&genre[0]=9&o=2&w=1&o=2&w=2

Now if you mean pandering as in sense of stuff like Outbreak Company being an anime for anime fans then I can't really say as I don't know much about those.

On Valvrave what other anime can have depending on the definition of rape both participants being raped in one of the most jarring scenes of the decade while having the tonal whiplash of a lightspeed spaceship crash.

My definition of pandering is "attempts to draw in an audience by appealing to more reptilian instincts such as a feeling of protection, lust, self-validation for bad behaviors, and excuses for not working or improving one's intellect". In other words, a show about anime or a show made for anime fans is fine as long as it actually stimulates the mind on the use of tropes and archetypes used without the stupid.

On the other hand, if you treat me like a hormonally imbalanced 12 year old by creating TnA with no backing in character or motivation and just create either a world that's nothing but mindless self-insert or the equivalent of softcore porn, I will brand your show as a pandering piece of bull that should have it's writers go back to class

On Valvrave, the scene was far too sexualized for it to be any sort of reasonable narrative driving force (you can use crimes and pain like this to help with character development as long as it is tasteful) and no one talks about it or even references it. To use a somewhat stupid line, it's a big lipped alligator moment that is designed for shock and not narrative

 

[sextus the crazy]

I understand that we need to support good anime but I already made a post on the prices of dvds and the like. To buy the entire Persona 4 collection would cost 600 dollars and while that would support studios, if this is the normal price point, I think anime would be an expensive hobby indeed

WHOAWHOAWHOAWHOA

$600 DOLLARS FOR THE PERSONA 4 ANIME?! Where are you buying your anime?!

And just so I'm sure, you ARE talking about the entire Persona 4 anime, right?

yes the entire anime, volumes cost around 60 dollars on some sites though it seems amazon sells them for around 35 dollars and there is a complete collection out for around 70 dollars.

Still expensive though perhaps the burden was on me to do better research

Uh... you could just go to Amazon and buy the complete series for around $45. That's what I did on it's release day. The trick is to buy new anime from retailers selling through Amazon, not from Amazon themselves. Buying from retailers selling through Amazon is always cheaper. I do it with all the anime I buy that isn't being sold by Aniplex. Just find a store with a good rating and place the order. It hasn't failed me yet.

I see, thanks for the tip. I suppose I order through Amazon itself since I have an insurance of the product being in good condition

I still think it is bullshit though that companies charge 60 dollars for 1-4 episodes. That would be like if each episode of "The Wolf Among Us" cost 60 dollars instead of the 16.74 that episode 4 is selling for on steam and the normal price point of 25 dollars for the other episodes. Instead of trying to making the prices so that they attract people outside the otaku community, they only focus on the community and charge high prices since they know that otaku will buy anyway

RightStuf is good for this too. You can buy most series' for about $40 or so. Plus they got sales and shit. Also, don't buy volumes, just buy the seasons.

 

[loa]

I don't see a decline, if anything, higher quality works are being made today than in the 90s where dragon ball, evangelion, tenchi muyo & co were the pinnacle of the medium.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

No things are not worse you are just exposed to more than you were before and thus are seeing more crap shows. Go watch some of Anime Abandon with Bennett the Sage if you blast of shit from the past. As for stuff for Valvrave being bad due to coming from a certain studio regardless of the studios past I don't know what you were expecting after the first episode. The end of the first told me this will a train wreck that fixes the train wreck by throwing more train at it kind of show. It most certainly delivered on every front.

A). the whole theory about exposure is possible but i still feel that the movement towards pandering could be seen in the last few years

B). I expected a fun trainwreck, not one that seems to requires a frikking rape and senseless charcter deaths

Right so before we go any further I just want to check what you mean by pandering. If you mean pandering as in a sexual way with fanservice/ecchi anime and the moe slice of life stuff or pandering with geeky power fantasies.

In the first case there has been pandering in anime since more or less the start. The only thing that has changed in that regard as far as I'm aware is the volume of skin shown or rather a slightly large volume of shows with ecchi as a genre. To say that is was never there before the new millennium is a bit disingenuous to say the least. As far as mal can tell ecchi has been going strong since the mid 80s. Also there has been an ever growing slice of life singularity since more or less forever.

Spoiler: organised search on mal that ends at 2000

http://myanimelist.net/anime.php?q=&type=0&score=0&status=0&tag=&p=0&r=0&sm=0&sd=0&sy=1970&em=0&ed=0&ey=2000&c[0]=a&c[1]=b&c[2]=c&c[3]=d&gx=0&genre[0]=9&o=2&w=1&o=2&w=2

Now if you mean pandering as in sense of stuff like Outbreak Company being an anime for anime fans then I can't really say as I don't know much about those.

On Valvrave what other anime can have depending on the definition of rape both participants being raped in one of the most jarring scenes of the decade while having the tonal whiplash of a lightspeed spaceship crash.

My definition of pandering is "attempts to draw in an audience by appealing to more reptilian instincts such as a feeling of protection, lust, self-validation for bad behaviors, and excuses for not working or improving one's intellect". In other words, a show about anime or a show made for anime fans is fine as long as it actually stimulates the mind on the use of tropes and archetypes used without the stupid.

On the other hand, if you treat me like a hormonally imbalanced 12 year old by creating TnA with no backing in character or motivation and just create either a world that's nothing but mindless self-insert or the equivalent of softcore porn, I will brand your show as a pandering piece of bull that should have it's writers go back to class

On Valvrave, the scene was far too sexualized for it to be any sort of reasonable narrative driving force (you can use crimes and pain like this to help with character development as long as it is tasteful) and no one talks about it or even references it. To use a somewhat stupid line, it's a big lipped alligator moment that is designed for shock and not narrative

Just to start off with Valvrave to get it out of the way quickly and its something I've said to other people as well. when you've put more thought into the show than the writers you need to stop and you crossed that point a long time ago.

On the pandering discussion I'd like to end my input here as I find your definition far too loose to find any common ground on because as far as I'm concerned all anime that are based around indulgences do pander no matter how stimulating they can be at times.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

I don't see a decline, if anything, higher quality works are being made today than in the 90s where dragon ball, evangelion, tenchi muyo & co were the pinnacle of the medium.

And yet for all the higher quality work like Ghost in the Shell or Psycho Pass, we get shit worse than even Ikki Tousen like Super Sonico and Recently My Sister is Unusual(Okay, from now on, I will use the abbreviation, ReMySis for that show)

It's like the bell curve of quality has shifted in both directions

 

[Scars Unseen]

I don't know... not counting animated movies, anime has always followed Sturgeon's Law as much as any other medium. I've recently picked up some gems like Bakemonogatari, Darker than Black and Knights of Sidonia, and they're every bit as good as Stand Alone Complex, Serial Experiments Lain or Evangelion. Heck, my immediate takeaway from Knights of Sidonia is that it's pretty much Evangelion meets Battlestar Galactica without all the whining.

Basically, I think people are combining nostalgia with confirmation bias and seeing a decline that doesn't exist.

EDIT: Almost forgot Steins;Gate! It's an adaptation of one of my favorite visual novels, and though I prefer the original, I have to say that it's about as good an adaptation as one could hope for. A definite must see, especially for any sci-fi fans(though the visual novel had a lot more sciencey details in it).

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

No things are not worse you are just exposed to more than you were before and thus are seeing more crap shows. Go watch some of Anime Abandon with Bennett the Sage if you blast of shit from the past. As for stuff for Valvrave being bad due to coming from a certain studio regardless of the studios past I don't know what you were expecting after the first episode. The end of the first told me this will a train wreck that fixes the train wreck by throwing more train at it kind of show. It most certainly delivered on every front.

A). the whole theory about exposure is possible but i still feel that the movement towards pandering could be seen in the last few years

B). I expected a fun trainwreck, not one that seems to requires a frikking rape and senseless charcter deaths

Right so before we go any further I just want to check what you mean by pandering. If you mean pandering as in a sexual way with fanservice/ecchi anime and the moe slice of life stuff or pandering with geeky power fantasies.

In the first case there has been pandering in anime since more or less the start. The only thing that has changed in that regard as far as I'm aware is the volume of skin shown or rather a slightly large volume of shows with ecchi as a genre. To say that is was never there before the new millennium is a bit disingenuous to say the least. As far as mal can tell ecchi has been going strong since the mid 80s. Also there has been an ever growing slice of life singularity since more or less forever.

Spoiler: organised search on mal that ends at 2000

http://myanimelist.net/anime.php?q=&type=0&score=0&status=0&tag=&p=0&r=0&sm=0&sd=0&sy=1970&em=0&ed=0&ey=2000&c[0]=a&c[1]=b&c[2]=c&c[3]=d&gx=0&genre[0]=9&o=2&w=1&o=2&w=2

Now if you mean pandering as in sense of stuff like Outbreak Company being an anime for anime fans then I can't really say as I don't know much about those.

On Valvrave what other anime can have depending on the definition of rape both participants being raped in one of the most jarring scenes of the decade while having the tonal whiplash of a lightspeed spaceship crash.

My definition of pandering is "attempts to draw in an audience by appealing to more reptilian instincts such as a feeling of protection, lust, self-validation for bad behaviors, and excuses for not working or improving one's intellect". In other words, a show about anime or a show made for anime fans is fine as long as it actually stimulates the mind on the use of tropes and archetypes used without the stupid.

On the other hand, if you treat me like a hormonally imbalanced 12 year old by creating TnA with no backing in character or motivation and just create either a world that's nothing but mindless self-insert or the equivalent of softcore porn, I will brand your show as a pandering piece of bull that should have it's writers go back to class

On Valvrave, the scene was far too sexualized for it to be any sort of reasonable narrative driving force (you can use crimes and pain like this to help with character development as long as it is tasteful) and no one talks about it or even references it. To use a somewhat stupid line, it's a big lipped alligator moment that is designed for shock and not narrative

Just to start off with Valvrave to get it out of the way quickly and its something I've said to other people as well. when you've put more thought into the show than the writers you need to stop and you crossed that point a long time ago.

On the pandering discussion I'd like to end my input here as I find your definition far too loose to find any common ground on because as far as I'm concerned all anime that are based around indulgences do pander no matter how stimulating they can be at times.

I suppose my definition was a bit loose but I consider it a division of two parts: Id and Superego (yes, these terms are stupid and proven wrong but they make for nice shorthands for how I see people). The Id is basically all the primitive instincts, some of which we have to suppress to operate in society: self-validation, lust, and pride. Shows that cater to Id are ones that put no thought in their narrative or characters and simply use anime as visual simuli for lust or self-validation. Superego is the part of us that wants to become better than anyone else in terms of intelligence, morals or strength. Shows that cater to this are shows that put a great deal of effort into their narrative and characters and do not spend even 1% of the time Id shows do to cheap visual stimuli but instead create intricate symbols and avatars of different view points. To simplify my argument, an Id show is basically porn while a superego show is a careful debate on the purpose of humanity, it's place in the universe, and the impact of technology (replace the last three parts with any big topic).

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

I don't know... not counting animated movies, anime has always followed Sturgeon's Law as much as any other medium. I've recently picked up some gems like Bakemonogatari, Darker than Black and Knights of Sidonia, and they're every bit as good as Stand Alone Complex, Serial Experiments Lain or Evangelion. Heck, my immediate takeaway from Knights of Sidonia is that it's pretty much Evangelion meets Battlestar Galactica without all the whining.

Basically, I think people are combining nostalgia with confirmation bias and seeing a decline that doesn't exist.

I suppose so but the fact that we get like ReMySis really is just so vomit inducing that I can't help but see a decline. Maybe i'm focusing on shows that target a very different demographic but the fact that a show like that is made just makes me feel wrong for liking anime at times

 

[Edl01]

I'll say what I say to everyone who brings up this stupid argument. Most anime that came out in the 80s sucked. Most anime that came out in the 90s sucked. Must anime that came out in the 2000s sucked. And most anime that comes out today, say it with me, sucks.
The thing is people don't remember the shows that suck, because people just don't watch them. Are we really going to say anime 10 years ago was all amazing, when Ikki Tousen came out then. And are we going to say all anime today is the same when amazing shows like Jojo's are still being made.

The obvious fact here is that you are simply looking at the past with rose-coloured glasses, remembering all the brilliant anime of the past, while ignoring the all of the crap that came out back then. Chances are in 10 years someone else will make the same thread, but instead they will be saying only good series like Fate/Zero, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and Kuroko's Basketball where being made at this point.

no, there are crap in the past (hell, watching Ikki Tousen reviews makes me vomit) but stuff like that can just be explained as stupid and brainless. Now, with the emergence of stuff like Recently, My Sister is Unusual and Super Sonico, it almost feels like that some thought was put in, just in application of attracting shut-ins. Ikki Tousen was ultimatly stupid but fairly harmless, Recently and Super Sonico though seem to have an almost malicious stupidity to them to attract an audience.

I will concede though that I was a bit too "doom and gloom" though.

If it makes you feel any better, Recently My Sister is Unusual sold very poorly in Japan, and Sonico is a series that just exists so Nitroplus can try to sell figures of their mascot, meaning it has as much depth as a paddling pool with a hole in the bottom. While Kill la Kill and Psycho Pass both went on to sell well(Heck Psycho Pass is getting a season 2).
I can't make any guarantees for Captain Earth though, I'm not going to get into an argument over whether or not it's a good show, but the first volume hasn't beenr eleased yet.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

I'll say what I say to everyone who brings up this stupid argument. Most anime that came out in the 80s sucked. Most anime that came out in the 90s sucked. Must anime that came out in the 2000s sucked. And most anime that comes out today, say it with me, sucks.
The thing is people don't remember the shows that suck, because people just don't watch them. Are we really going to say anime 10 years ago was all amazing, when Ikki Tousen came out then. And are we going to say all anime today is the same when amazing shows like Jojo's are still being made.

The obvious fact here is that you are simply looking at the past with rose-coloured glasses, remembering all the brilliant anime of the past, while ignoring the all of the crap that came out back then. Chances are in 10 years someone else will make the same thread, but instead they will be saying only good series like Fate/Zero, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and Kuroko's Basketball where being made at this point.

no, there are crap in the past (hell, watching Ikki Tousen reviews makes me vomit) but stuff like that can just be explained as stupid and brainless. Now, with the emergence of stuff like Recently, My Sister is Unusual and Super Sonico, it almost feels like that some thought was put in, just in application of attracting shut-ins. Ikki Tousen was ultimatly stupid but fairly harmless, Recently and Super Sonico though seem to have an almost malicious stupidity to them to attract an audience.

I will concede though that I was a bit too "doom and gloom" though.

If it makes you feel any better, Recently My Sister is Unusual sold very poorly in Japan, and Sonico is a series that just exists so Nitroplus can try to sell figures of their mascot, meaning it has as much depth as a paddling pool with a hole in the bottom. While Kill la Kill and Psycho Pass both went on to sell well(Heck Psycho Pass is getting a season 2).
I can't make any guarantees for Captain Earth though, I'm not going to get into an argument over whether or not it's a good show, but the first volume hasn't been released yet.

Well I suppose it's good news but it still pains me that INFINITE STRATOS, one of the worst pieces of crap ever is still popular. It's like no matter how many good things happen, there is always something bad happening to piss me off. I just wish that instead of profit that the market was designed to promote quality but that won't ever happen.

 

[Edl01]

Well I suppose it's good news but it still pains me that INFINITE STRATOS, one of the worst pieces of crap ever is still popular. It's like no matter how many good things happen, there is always something bad happening to piss me off. I just wish that instead of profit that the market was designed to promote quality but that won't ever happen.

Well I can agree there. Infinite Stratos does not deserve the sales it gets and only sells as well as it does because Ichika is one of the blandest self-insert protagonists in any anime ever. But as I said earlier - Ikki Tousen has 4 seasons. Queens Blade has 3. They both sold really well at the time, and are both sadly successful, because a certain amount of people are into that crap. It's kind of like how The Fast and the Furious 6 made more money at the box office than Gravity, a lot of people just aren't interested in well made and interesting stories, and instead just want to see boobs and exlposions, but sadly that's always been the case.

 

[The Feast]

You should forget all the crappy anime and watch JoJo. JoJo is everything that is right in the world.

While I admit that JoJo's Bizzare Adventure is a good show with fluid animation, characters that are simple but memorable, and a lot of humor, I will only call it a classic like how Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is a classic: fun but not a very good story.

How dare you judge the anime in such a way!?

By the way, the Jojo manga are made from the 80's and already made into anime before the 2012 version. But the quality remake with such dedication to the source makes it the best solution of anime during these troubled trends, especially with the authenticity and uniqueness it carries, when comparing to the poor quality of One Piece anime or the insulting anime adaptation of Toriko.

I never like Attack of the Titan because it feels too cliche for my taste, but the anime quality is what makes it stands out and become the most popular anime this generation. And, you know, I often browse the website called "Anime Vice", that they said that Blade & Soul is a trope done right when comparing to other similar animes. I never watch it but I guess opinions can sometimes differ, to a point that it's probably going the right direction.

P.S: By the way, I only recently finish Jojo until it current episodes, and I'm SUPER glad such anime is still exist, without the need to have main female characters, but even the female characters are very good.

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

You should forget all the crappy anime and watch JoJo. JoJo is everything that is right in the world.

While I admit that JoJo's Bizzare Adventure is a good show with fluid animation, characters that are simple but memorable, and a lot of humor, I will only call it a classic like how Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is a classic: fun but not a very good story.

How dare you judge the anime in such a way!?

By the way, the Jojo manga are made from the 80's and already made into anime before the 2012 version. But the quality remake with such dedication to the source makes it the best solution of anime during these troubled trends, especially with the authenticity and uniqueness it carries, when comparing to the poor quality of One Piece anime or the insulting anime adaptation of Toriko.

I never like Attack of the Titan because it feels too cliche for my taste, but the anime quality is what makes it stands out and become the most popular anime this generation. And, you know, I often browse the website called "Anime Vice", that they said that Blade & Soul is a trope done right when comparing to other similar animes. I never watch it but I guess opinions can sometimes differ, to a point that it's probably going the right direction.

P.S: By the way, I only recently finish Jojo until it current episodes, and I'm SUPER glad such anime is still exist, without the need to have main female characters, but even the female characters are very good.

I already apologized for assuming that about Jojo's and that I shouldn't have said that without having more background in it.

As for the anime industry, yes good adaptations are something that people always want but I would advocate the creation of original stories instead of simply very good adaptations. But I suppose a good show is a good show and more of those are needed

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

Well I suppose it's good news but it still pains me that INFINITE STRATOS, one of the worst pieces of crap ever is still popular. It's like no matter how many good things happen, there is always something bad happening to piss me off. I just wish that instead of profit that the market was designed to promote quality but that won't ever happen.

Well I can agree there. Infinite Stratos does not deserve the sales it gets and only sells as well as it does because Ichika is one of the blandest self-insert protagonists in any anime ever. But as I said earlier - Ikki Tousen has 4 seasons. Queens Blade has 3. They both sold really well at the time, and are both sadly successful, because a certain amount of people are into that crap. It's kind of like how The Fast and the Furious 6 made more money at the box office than Gravity, a lot of people just aren't interested in well made and interesting stories, and instead just want to see boobs and exlposions, but sadly that's always been the case.

Yeah, I really wish that humanity would start trying to limit the more primitive parts of the mind and enable humanity to think about things more critically instead of being swept away by TnA and explosions

 

[Luminous Chroma]

If you don't like something, don't watch it, ignore it. Even though you don't like it, others do.

Precisely this. I often download the first two or three episodes of a show, then never even get through them. They go straight into the trash, and I trot back to the torrents to see if there's a different series that suits my taste. The fact that I didn't like one show should be of no consequence to anyone else. They're free to enjoy it just as much as I failed to.

As for anime being bad lately, or getting worse overall...nah. I've been watching anime since I was a kid, back in the days when most shows didn't get gorgeous, HD BluRay releases with perfect subtitles and solid voice-acting. There was plenty of garbage even then, and there's about an equal amount now. Likewise, there were gems back then, and there are wonderful, sparkly gems now. It may even be the case that your gems are my garbage, and vice versa.

TLDR: Anime is fine. Some shows are good, some aren't. You may like 'em, I may not. Everything is about taste.