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OT: I tip most of the time, but I'm not giving a server shit if they do a bad job.
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OT: I tip most of the time, but I'm not giving a server shit if they do a bad job.
A few people have said that wait staff are not paid minimum wage. Is this legal? Considering how massive the industry is, I'm susprised people put up with it. Australian workers are definately paid a hell of a lot more than $2.50 an hour. Even kids in fast food restaurants are protected from that sort of bs.Mookie_Magnus said:
Even still, they chose the profession (whether we're talking pt, ft or casual), and are there to do their job. Their 'taking care' of you is their job, they're not there out of the goodness of their hearts. If you're going to tip it should be because you were genuinely impressed, and not because the staff terrorised (yeah, I'm throwing that out there, this either sounds like terrorism or blackmail) you into forking out more money.
OK, that last part was a tad extreme, but this issue really does annoy me. More so now because in the US it seems to permiate because the government is failing to protect people in the services industry.
Tipping gives you a choice. If you don't want to, don't. If you decide to be a dick about not tipping, you're a pig, because you're encouraging others to abandon their own healthy values. There are plenty of folks who work hard for damn good reasons at jobs where they need tips to make ends meet.
On the other hand, if we eradicate tipping, we are asking for higher prices up front. So now, you won't have to worry 'social stigma' over not tipping, and chronically crapper waiters and waitresses will make as much as their hard-working counterparts. Brilliant solution, take the option out of the customers hands, who should have a voice in the quality of their service.
Keep tipping as an option, don't tip if you don't want to, and don't ever, ever tell me I shouldn't tip. Mr. Pink is a prick and the above poster should've put the rest of that scene in.
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On the other hand, if we eradicate tipping, we are asking for higher prices up front. So now, you won't have to worry 'social stigma' over not tipping, and chronically crapper waiters and waitresses will make as much as their hard-working counterparts. Brilliant solution, take the option out of the customers hands, who should have a voice in the quality of their service.
Keep tipping as an option, don't tip if you don't want to, and don't ever, ever tell me I shouldn't tip. Mr. Pink is a prick and the above poster should've put the rest of that scene in.
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How far up your bum did you have to reach to pull out that little nugget of wisdom?HT_Black said:
How did you come up with that? That's not even cynicism. That entire statement is just blatantly stupid. I've never met a person who uses the amount they tip as a measure of self-worth.
I suppose people who donate to charities are also trying to flaunt about? That guy who gave those toys to Goodwill? Total prick! Just wanted to show off his wealth. Chick who donated the dollar to Saint Jude's? She's so self-absorbed!
I tip the tax if the service is good. I tip more if the service was outstanding. I don't tip if the service was okay or worse. And I only tip waiters/waitresses, cab drivers, and delivery people (food, newspaper, etc.), nothing more. Yep. That's about it.
If you live in an area with a tipping culture and don't tip, you are pretty much a thief. Those employees get paid very small amounts - usually less than minimum wage - on the expectation that they will make money through tips. This basically sets up a high-risk-high-reward system for the employee: if they do a good job, they get good money (for an unskilled job, anyway); if they fuck up, they get chump change.
It's not an issue between employees, employers, and the government; it's a very powerfully ingrained system that is there for a reason.
Not tipping at all is bullshit. Everyone in north america should consider 10% to just be part of the bill (and be ready to tip above that) unless the server does something absolutely heinous.
It's not an issue between employees, employers, and the government; it's a very powerfully ingrained system that is there for a reason.
Not tipping at all is bullshit. Everyone in north america should consider 10% to just be part of the bill (and be ready to tip above that) unless the server does something absolutely heinous.
Mostly because here minimum wage sucks and if the waiter is good at their job and deserve more the customer pays extra for the good work.
Did you read the thread before you posted? Rainman2203, RebellionXXI, Angelo Credo, Nekoali, 1012 Wont Happen, Mookie_Magnus, GreyWolf257, Worgen, Thoisk, Kawaiiamethist, Captain Blackout, and even Khitten, while seeming very begrudging about it, have all acknowledged the fact that in America, waitors/waitresses have far lower wages than they should.HT_Black said:
I don't think I'm flaunting money around when I'm paying people what they would get if they had a more respectable minimum wage. If you don't like that, instead of being a jerk about it to the servers, you can just cook yourself. Even without tips, its generally cheaper, anyhow.
Typically, I try to eat out less and give a bit more of a tip than needbe, but when I'm at the local coffee shop, my times in which I tip are a bit more arbitrary, but is usually the change they make me- I try to tip every time I'm there.
I mean, I know these people. Seen their kids, been there at least monthly (except for the summers) for the past four years. Well, that, and the fact that it has a really awesome atmosphere.
I would normally tip but right now ever resturaunt in my city (vancouver) is extorting the tourists so I'm basicly boycotting anything of last weeks prices by not tipping a cent.
Of couse the exscuse is this whole topics point of different culture's tipping. But there is still that stupid new sales tax that I'll have to pay soon
Of couse the exscuse is this whole topics point of different culture's tipping. But there is still that stupid new sales tax that I'll have to pay soon
Tipping in the United States is expected to the point that even bad service would generally warrant a 10% tip. 15% is standard; above is for good service. Though no law requires this, it is so widely understood and expected that failure to abide by the custom would be like hiring a disco-synthesizer band to play at a funeral.
To the few of my fellow countrymen who sneer at the idea that this is expected of them: no one is requiring you to eat out, either. If you don't accept the protocol, stay home and make a damn sandwich. Your dedication to resisting the status quo is costing someone their livelihood, and it isn't impressing anyone. It's just making you a jerk.
Yes, it's true that waitstaff are generally exempted from minimum wage laws. A waitress at a diner probably makes a bit better than minimum wage so long as traffic is good; waitstaff at an upscale restaurant or a bartender at a popular club can make a quite respectable living, at least within the class of jobs that don't require a degree or large amounts of expert-level training.
But it's also worth noting that taxes often presume a 15% tip per ticket rate, whether that tip comes through or not, so a customer who skimps is screwing over their waitperson in more ways than one.
To the few of my fellow countrymen who sneer at the idea that this is expected of them: no one is requiring you to eat out, either. If you don't accept the protocol, stay home and make a damn sandwich. Your dedication to resisting the status quo is costing someone their livelihood, and it isn't impressing anyone. It's just making you a jerk.
Yes, it's true that waitstaff are generally exempted from minimum wage laws. A waitress at a diner probably makes a bit better than minimum wage so long as traffic is good; waitstaff at an upscale restaurant or a bartender at a popular club can make a quite respectable living, at least within the class of jobs that don't require a degree or large amounts of expert-level training.
But it's also worth noting that taxes often presume a 15% tip per ticket rate, whether that tip comes through or not, so a customer who skimps is screwing over their waitperson in more ways than one.
No one in Ireland tips. It's just not done.
That said, when I went to America I tipped everyone.
That said, when I went to America I tipped everyone.
http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm
What is the minimum wage for workers who receive tips?
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the federal minimum wage (currently $7.25/hour) to covered, nonexempt employees. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, the employee is entitled to the provisions which provides the greater benefits.
What is the minimum wage for workers who receive tips?
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the federal minimum wage (currently $7.25/hour) to covered, nonexempt employees. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, the employee is entitled to the provisions which provides the greater benefits.
Tipping started out in restaurants back when owners could get away with not paying staff. They survived on tips. The best waiters/waitresses got more tables and therefore more tips.
Nowadays, restaurants use tipping as an excuse to not pay more than minimum wage to a server. They have no hopes of getting a raise, ever.
In my opinion being a server is a pretty easy job compared to an essential service like I dunno, a doctor or teacher. We don't tip teachers that do a good job but we tip someone who brings us our hot dog?
Tipping culture is a joke. Servers get mad at PAYING customers who don't leave them a good tip because they are trying to make a living. But never once do they stop and think
"Maybe I should not be mad at the person I am serving, but be mad at my employer who is too fucking cheap to pay me a proper wage".
I still tip regardless because if a server doesn't make at least 10% tip per bill they don't break even in a night. They have to tip out to the rest of the crew and wind up actually PAYING money to be working that evening.
The fact that we live in a society where we are quicker to point the finger and blame our clients, the ones whom without we would not have jobs, instead of our shady employers, has always bothered me. Your job doesn't value you so you take the hate out on your customers.
What's worse is servers who EXPECT a tip even when they do a shit job.
Note that I have been a server in the past. So I have walked a mile in their shoes. This isn't coming from an ignorant standpoint.
Nowadays, restaurants use tipping as an excuse to not pay more than minimum wage to a server. They have no hopes of getting a raise, ever.
In my opinion being a server is a pretty easy job compared to an essential service like I dunno, a doctor or teacher. We don't tip teachers that do a good job but we tip someone who brings us our hot dog?
Tipping culture is a joke. Servers get mad at PAYING customers who don't leave them a good tip because they are trying to make a living. But never once do they stop and think
"Maybe I should not be mad at the person I am serving, but be mad at my employer who is too fucking cheap to pay me a proper wage".
I still tip regardless because if a server doesn't make at least 10% tip per bill they don't break even in a night. They have to tip out to the rest of the crew and wind up actually PAYING money to be working that evening.
The fact that we live in a society where we are quicker to point the finger and blame our clients, the ones whom without we would not have jobs, instead of our shady employers, has always bothered me. Your job doesn't value you so you take the hate out on your customers.
What's worse is servers who EXPECT a tip even when they do a shit job.
Note that I have been a server in the past. So I have walked a mile in their shoes. This isn't coming from an ignorant standpoint.
For us, attitude towards service is a tipping factor. If you're friendly and have a good attitude towards your job, you get something extra. If you roll your eyes every time you see a person finish a plate of food and you're an asshole, you get jack shit.
I feel there should be a reform and all restaurants should pay their servers minimum wage at least. Tipping can then be bonus if the server did a good job.
We all order our food and drinks, but one of my friends does not get his food.
Later he asks the waiter where it was and he was like "uhhhhhhh, no you didn't order anything. What are you talking about?" I definitely remember him ordering his food, so the waiter is just bullshitting us around. Should this guy be tipped? His job is to bring us what we fucking asked for, if he can't do his job why should we tip him? Not only that, but he wasn't the LEAST bit apologetic for it, he acted like it was our fault for him forgetting our order.
We all order our food and drinks, but one of my friends does not get his food.
Later he asks the waiter where it was and he was like "uhhhhhhh, no you didn't order anything. What are you talking about?" I definitely remember him ordering his food, so the waiter is just bullshitting us around. Should this guy be tipped? His job is to bring us what we fucking asked for, if he can't do his job why should we tip him? Not only that, but he wasn't the LEAST bit apologetic for it, he acted like it was our fault for him forgetting our order.
I tip for speedy and exceptional service. Nothing less, unless I am on a date and don't want to come across as a cheapskate.
What frustrates me is when I know for a damn FACT that the employees aren't underpaid and they still have a tip jar or some other notification that tips are welcome. Yes, most servers in restaurants earn less, so a tip is relied upon to make up the wages, but a goddamn coffee bar or Subway Sandwich shop isn't paying their employees $2.13 an hour.
What frustrates me is when I know for a damn FACT that the employees aren't underpaid and they still have a tip jar or some other notification that tips are welcome. Yes, most servers in restaurants earn less, so a tip is relied upon to make up the wages, but a goddamn coffee bar or Subway Sandwich shop isn't paying their employees $2.13 an hour.
Well I'm a cook and I HATE hearing about the wait staff complaining about how they've been getting shitty tips while they've made nearly double my wage for the night. most restraunts tip out thier kitchen staff aswell but it's a very low ammount. Sometimes I get like $20-30 every 2 weeks (At the busiest restraunt I worked at I got $100 biweekly). All these people do is write down your order and carry plates to and from your table. The kitchen is doing nearly all the work and barely getting anything for it! And all the waitstaff is doing is complaining about you behind the counter.
Here is the thing though. In restraunts where they DO tip out the kitchen if you don't tip them THEY have to still tip out to us so they lose money serving you. A very insignificant ammount in most cases but there it is.
Now here in Canada waiters only makes a dollar or two below minimum wage. Things are probably much different region by region.
Bartenders can easily make hundreds per shift.
Also almost all waiters don't claim thier tips (or anywhere near the full ammount) so they are getting paid tax free and they are criminals. In the 6 years I've worked in the industry I've only met a single person who claimed close to their actual tip income.
Here is the thing though. In restraunts where they DO tip out the kitchen if you don't tip them THEY have to still tip out to us so they lose money serving you. A very insignificant ammount in most cases but there it is.
Now here in Canada waiters only makes a dollar or two below minimum wage. Things are probably much different region by region.
Bartenders can easily make hundreds per shift.
Also almost all waiters don't claim thier tips (or anywhere near the full ammount) so they are getting paid tax free and they are criminals. In the 6 years I've worked in the industry I've only met a single person who claimed close to their actual tip income.
