To anyone who thinks piracy is ok

[Atheist.]

Someone worked their asses off to develop scientific formulas, computer languages, and code that people use all the time to make video games. The video game producers don't pay Al-Khwarizmi's (the father of algebra) ancestors a stipend or gratuity for using his formulas. Neither do people that produce math books.

How is this fair to someone who created something for more useful than a video game? Information should be free, regardless of how much work one puts into discovering or creating it. I don't get where all these entertainment companies get off thinking they deserve the product of their labor, even though their product is based off of years of information other people created for free.

They can sell physical copies if they choose to do so, but in the end, their game is just a bunch of 1's and 0's. It's information. People should be free to do what they wish with it, be it modify, or otherwise use it.

I sure as hell know the first guy to create fire isn't getting royalties from the information he shared.

 

[jakefongloo]

I pirate games that have no demo so I can actually try them before I buy them. I'm not going to just chance that it works on my PC and that it deserves its metacritic score. If I don't like it I delete it (Why would I keep a game I don't like?) if I like it I buy it.

The devs don't want to let you try the game or see just how well it runs on your PC then I make my own trial, it's only fair since they have millions of dollars and I barely have money now a days.

And before you call me out on it and tell me that I don't buy my games and that I'm just pirating all games

Spoiler

I buy my games thank you

So in short, you're saying that if they offered a trial or a demo of some sort, you wouldn't pirate and if you enjoy the game you would buy it?

My only question is, how far do you go in the games you pirate? Do you stop at the first level and make a decision or do you go farther?

Why does it matter how far he goes into the game? If he likes it, he buys it? If the publisher wanted to determine the length of the demo, they should have released an official demo.

With PC gaming it is indeed important to ensure that the game will run on your PC because by the time you get to the point of finding out on your own, the product is non returnable.

Finding the specs required to run a game isn't as impossibly hard as you make it sound.

Okay, wow. I mean really? Heres a little story.

I BOUGHT Bioshock. Guess what? It had a graphics card error that made it crash and overheat my whole laptop every 15 minutes. Oh and the FABLED MINIMUM SPECS were met by a long shot. Oh but wait, there isn't just one video card like in consoles? Doesn't that mean that variance in cards will mean variance in performance and that they developers just have to guess? You sure bet it does, because ARMA 2, another game I bought, runs like SHIT on anything below medium settings, its like watching a fucking slideshow. on, and I did meet that specs. In spades, in fact. That game should have been breakfast, but its another 60 dollar brick that I can't return.

So don't go off talking about things you have no idea about. This isn't like your precious xbox, and if you really are a PC gamer, then you should know that anything short of a well-respected, cheap gaming PC line (which doesn't exist, building is always cheaper), no 2 are the same. So if I want to pirate for a 'demo' so I don't waste money on something that is GUARANTEED TO RUN BY THE BOX, you'll excuse me, mr. moneybags. That was 80 dollars of entertainment that was promised to run with your precious specs. Oh, that I cant return. Or have rented to see if it would have run.

Seriously CALM THE FUCK DOWN! Try this ok just try this type pc gaming requirements in google you'll not only get programs designed to test your pc but also forums from consumers who tell you whether or not those lists are acurate. I have as of yet not been led astray, from MOTHER FUCKING decent 3 to fallout 3 and beyond the programs might be wrong (occasionally) the forums have only messed me up once.

Now that we have that out of the way, are you fucking serious? from the post "it's not as hard as you're making it" you assume
A) He has no idea how pc gaming works
B) He is a console whore
C) Money is of no concearn to him
My god I wish I had your powers of mind reading. You should be on mind freak with Angel. You should become a world diplomat and bring in a new reign of piece, that is amazing! The sheer (shear?) force behind your assault from idle speculation is pathetic indeed. AND WHILE I'M RANTING! You start your reply with "okay, wow I mean really" You want to know where i heard that from? A 16 year old high school prissy ***** 14 years ago. If your not an adult then stop pretending you have any fucking experience. If you are, act your age. Jeesus! The absolute undertone of superiority behind the phrase "okay, wow really" would have put us off at a bad first impression considering that if we were face to face i would have made you bleed. I can't stand that attitude.

*sigh* k done

 

[Lord Monocle Von Banworthy]

has anyone seen that video thats says "would you steal a car?", "would you steal a handbag?". piracy is stealing

erm ive just bought this film legally so why are you telling me this?

in all seriousness if they charge £8 to watch a film and a further £6 for a snack and beverage and stop you from bringing your own then they are the criminals

I used to manage a cinema in the States. You must understand that the cinema itself doesn't keep those eight quid. The distributor takes anywhere from 40 to (in the case of first-run Disney movies) 80 percent of the ticket price right off the top. So 1.60 of that ticket is what the cinema has to use to pay its bills, wages, and taxes. You don't want to know what the electricity for those projectors costs. Concessions are the only source of profits a cinema has. Popcorn is pretty much air. Beverages are water and cheap syrup.

I tossed little punks like you out on their butts for bringing food and drinks into my theatre and kept their money on a daily basis.

The problem here seems to be that the studios are being greedy but you proudly throw people out, while keeping their admission, for not being willing to pay outrageous prices for concessions and bringing in their own food.

$5 for a large soda that costs you about 20 cents? How can you expect people to pay those prices in good conscience? Why do you lash out at your customers instead of the studios?

Before you try too hard to argue your position, this was ten years ago and the theatre in question is closed.

A manager of one location doesn't have the ability to "lash out" at studios. I did have the ability to control my customers. If they don't want to play by the rules, I don't owe them a movie. I posted the policy, I asked them to take their food out or eat it outside, and if they persisted, then yeah, I had no qualms about enforcing my company's policy. I also gave talkers and texters the boot.

I expected people to pay those prices because if they didn't, I didn't make payroll or pay my bills and then there'd be nowhere for people to watch movies.

Without policies like that I'm sure you wouldn't want to pay what movie tickets would really cost. Kind of like Americans don't want to pay what food really costs when a restaurant has to actually pay its servers instead of relying on tips. This is a similar system. There's an opt-in charge that lets a few people voluntarily pay a little of everyone's expenses. You don't want to eat or drink that's okay. It means I take a loss on you. You want to eat or drink, you buy what I have to sell. Bringing your own food is social parasitism as far as I'm concerned.

Individual gamers also have no way to lash out at studios so that is where piracy comes in. Sneaking food into a theater is necessary only because the theater has made it against the rules. Why the theater did that goes back to the studios but as is the case with gaming, it's the consumer who pays the price for greed.

I never go to the theater because of the prices and if the theaters were to die tomorrow, I would just smile, they deserve it for sticking it to the paying customer rather than the studio.

Why is it necessary, player? You got a tapeworm or something? I can just sit and watch a movie for a couple of hours without eating or drinking anything. I'm like a human camel or something I guess.

You'd just smile until you realized that you had nothing but old movies and made-for-TV crap to watch. I promise you without those big first-run cinema profits stuff like Avatar and Batman Begins and new Trek or whatever big spectacle you like wouldn't be made, or at least not as well.

I know I'm kind of sidetracking the thread here, but I figure there's a lot of overlap between technologies here. Techniques developed to make big-budget movie CGI find their way into games. Movies are a bigger industry though, so I suspect the finances are there to make film the real cutting edge in most cases.

I'm off to work now and I'm sure this thread will pass me by before I return. Last word to you, Garak.

 

[instantbenz]

Oddity 1: the thread title is a question?
Oddity 2: the primary repliers are anti-piracy folk.
Oddity 3: there are not nearly enough pirate jokes going on in the thread as it is Halloween.

op: protect what you create, that is the only advice i have. if it gets too expensive to protect your product, then you need to research another way. or, don't sell your product.

it's like going out into public. a photographer or videographer has free reign to capture your image whilst in the public domain. you might not like it, nor do people like thieves, i suppose you just have to deal with it *shades ON*

 

[MercurySteam]

I can't be bothered to read all that and I pirate games on rare occasions and sometimes not even for me. The large sums of money invested in my 360 helps me sleep at night. We've all pirated in some way, shape or form. Only difference with me is that I tend to buy games shortly after I download them.

 

[Shru1kan]

I pirate games that have no demo so I can actually try them before I buy them. I'm not going to just chance that it works on my PC and that it deserves its metacritic score. If I don't like it I delete it (Why would I keep a game I don't like?) if I like it I buy it.

The devs don't want to let you try the game or see just how well it runs on your PC then I make my own trial, it's only fair since they have millions of dollars and I barely have money now a days.

And before you call me out on it and tell me that I don't buy my games and that I'm just pirating all games

Spoiler

I buy my games thank you

So in short, you're saying that if they offered a trial or a demo of some sort, you wouldn't pirate and if you enjoy the game you would buy it?

My only question is, how far do you go in the games you pirate? Do you stop at the first level and make a decision or do you go farther?

Why does it matter how far he goes into the game? If he likes it, he buys it? If the publisher wanted to determine the length of the demo, they should have released an official demo.

With PC gaming it is indeed important to ensure that the game will run on your PC because by the time you get to the point of finding out on your own, the product is non returnable.

Finding the specs required to run a game isn't as impossibly hard as you make it sound.

Okay, wow. I mean really? Heres a little story.

I BOUGHT Bioshock. Guess what? It had a graphics card error that made it crash and overheat my whole laptop every 15 minutes. Oh and the FABLED MINIMUM SPECS were met by a long shot. Oh but wait, there isn't just one video card like in consoles? Doesn't that mean that variance in cards will mean variance in performance and that they developers just have to guess? You sure bet it does, because ARMA 2, another game I bought, runs like SHIT on anything below medium settings, its like watching a fucking slideshow. on, and I did meet that specs. In spades, in fact. That game should have been breakfast, but its another 60 dollar brick that I can't return.

So don't go off talking about things you have no idea about. This isn't like your precious xbox, and if you really are a PC gamer, then you should know that anything short of a well-respected, cheap gaming PC line (which doesn't exist, building is always cheaper), no 2 are the same. So if I want to pirate for a 'demo' so I don't waste money on something that is GUARANTEED TO RUN BY THE BOX, you'll excuse me, mr. moneybags. That was 80 dollars of entertainment that was promised to run with your precious specs. Oh, that I cant return. Or have rented to see if it would have run.

Seriously CALM THE FUCK DOWN! Try this ok just try this type pc gaming requirements in google you'll not only get programs designed to test your pc but also forums from consumers who tell you whether or not those lists are acurate. I have as of yet not been led astray, from MOTHER FUCKING decent 3 to fallout 3 and beyond the programs might be wrong (occasionally) the forums have only messed me up once.

Now that we have that out of the way, are you fucking serious? from the post "it's not as hard as you're making it" you assume
A) He has no idea how pc gaming works
B) He is a console whore
C) Money is of no concearn to him
My god I wish I had your powers of mind reading. You should be on mind freak with Angel. You should become a world diplomat and bring in a new reign of piece, that is amazing! The sheer (shear?) force behind your assault from idle speculation is pathetic indeed. AND WHILE I'M RANTING! You start your reply with "okay, wow I mean really" You want to know where i heard that from? A 16 year old high school prissy ***** 14 years ago. If your not an adult then stop pretending you have any fucking experience. If you are, act your age. Jeesus! The absolute undertone of superiority behind the phrase "okay, wow really" would have put us off at a bad first impression considering that if we were face to face i would have made you bleed. I can't stand that attitude.

*sigh* k done

Alright, here we go, but first I will point out one thing. A tone of superiority is basically seeping from my screen at your post. It's quite amusing to watch people turn into the thing that they are criticizing.

first impressions should not dictate the adult mind, but you go off on me without reading the entirety of the post and judging after. Yes, there was some heat of the moment hyperbole, but the point remains. Instead you tear into my post, beyond the point, with vicious and single-minded intent.

Most of your points came from speculation as well. You do not know my tone, or intent. Had you read his posts, you would have seen him parading the specs around as the messiah, ignoring simple facts about their fallacies. I have run the systemrequirementslab and checked pcgamerequirements, both confirmed what I said at the time, and even today, when I ran them after your post to septuple-check what I already knew. The sites say I can run them, my crashes say otherwise.

Oh and thank you for the personal threats. Reported, and might I add, a very adult way to make me feel intimidated. Drop the bravado, because it doesn't work. Last time I saw anyone use that kind of threat seriously was in middle school, which is thankfully close to a decade behind me.

 

[Shru1kan]

Okay, wow. I mean really? Heres a little story.

I BOUGHT Bioshock. Guess what? It had a graphics card error that made it crash and overheat my whole laptop every 15 minutes. Oh and the FABLED MINIMUM SPECS were met by a long shot. Oh but wait, there isn't just one video card like in consoles? Doesn't that mean that variance in cards will mean variance in performance and that they developers just have to guess? You sure bet it does, because ARMA 2, another game I bought, runs like SHIT on anything below medium settings, its like watching a fucking slideshow. Oh, and I did meet that specs. In spades, in fact. That game should have been breakfast, but its another 60 dollar brick that I can't return.

So don't go off talking about things you have no idea about. This isn't like your precious xbox, and if you really are a PC gamer, then you should know that anything short of a well-respected, cheap gaming PC line (which doesn't exist, building is always cheaper), no 2 are the same. So if I want to pirate for a 'demo' so I don't waste money on something that is GUARANTEED TO RUN BY THE BOX, you'll excuse me, mr. moneybags. That was 80 dollars of entertainment that was promised to run with your precious specs. Oh, that I cant return. Or have rented to see if it would have run.

Sounds like you need to either fix your crapped up PC or perhaps stop using a laptop to play games.

Yes, because playing fallout 3 and oblivion on PS3 level settings makes it shite. I'm sorry, but it was a video card error, and not one isolated to laptop models. Sorry if that was not clearer but I would have experienced the same issues if the card I owned was in a desktop or a laptop. It is irrelevant.

 

[Saulkar]

I read that already, good info.

 

[Jemurai]

Personally I believe all games should become free at about 10 years old. So people who insist that gaming is a right can have a vast selection of games to play through and those who want to play the latest entertainment should have to pay the company who spent large amounts of time and effort developing the games.

 

[fletch_talon]

Someone worked their asses off to develop scientific formulas, computer languages, and code that people use all the time to make video games. The video game producers don't pay Al-Khwarizmi's (the father of algebra) ancestors a stipend or gratuity for using his formulas. Neither do people that produce math books.

How is this fair to someone who created something for more useful than a video game? Information should be free, regardless of how much work one puts into discovering or creating it. I don't get where all these entertainment companies get off thinking they deserve the product of their labor, even though their product is based off of years of information other people created for free.

They can sell physical copies if they choose to do so, but in the end, their game is just a bunch of 1's and 0's. It's information. People should be free to do what they wish with it, be it modify, or otherwise use it.

I sure as hell know the first guy to create fire isn't getting royalties from the information he shared.

What do you do for a living?
Do you think you deserve payment for it?

Guess what?
So do the people who make videogames/movies/music etc.
How do you suggest they get paid for their work if their work is given away for free?
How do you justify making something requiring hours/weeks/months/years of work and effort if you aren't getting paid for it? People need money to live.

The world you propose would be incredibly devoid of any great quantity and quality of entertainment because those creating it would inevitably be hindered by needing to work another job in order to live, not to mention the rather massive lack of incentive to make anything, let alone aything of quality.

Sorry about all the questions but people like you truly irritate and baffle me. The only thing keeping me sane right now is the knowledge that you're a minority and that most people are smart enough to see that your beliefs are downright ridiculous.

 

[Alexnader]

He doesn't address minor's use of piracy, hardly surprising given he's 37. I buy games through steam, mainly the multiplayer centric ones like L4d and TF2, however what few (and I mean few, like 1 or 2 a year) single player games I play on the PC tend to be pirated. The reason for this? No disposable income.

I hear all this wonderful press on websites like the escapist about how amazing the story is and I can't buy it. It's just not economical. I have some 700 hours on TF2, a game that cost me $20. Even if it cost me the typical $90 for a new game in Australia it'd still be much greater value than a single player game like Modern Warfare 2 (I have no interest in its multiplayer).

When I get a disposable income I will try to fully support the interactive entertainment industry, until then the best I can do is at least appreciate the games I can't afford rather than just attempt to ignore their existence.

 

[RedDeadFred]

I consider pirating free renting. If I like it, I will go give the company the money they deserve for making a good game. If not, well I'm not gonna buy it or play it again.

Most pirates don't do that though.

 

[Shru1kan]

When the specs are wrong, blame the customer. You gotta love that philosophy.

I blame anyone that says their computer can't handle something. Most of the time this cold read is accurate. Plus, he said he uses a laptop, which is just silly.
/

Yes, because playing fallout 3 and oblivion on PS3 level settings makes it shite. I'm sorry, but it was a video card error, and not one isolated to laptop models. Sorry if that was not clearer but I would have experienced the same issues if the card I owned was in a desktop or a laptop. It is irrelevant.

I have no idea what "PS3 level settings" means, but you did in fact mention more than one game you had problems with.

Sorry, getting tired. It runs like it would on PS3, very nice and high, smooth graphics with almost no hiccups.