To anyone who thinks piracy is ok
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You wouldn't download a car. You wouldn't download a bear.shootthebandit said:
Yeah, I get pissed off when people go all super-dramatic about digital piracy. It's copyright infringement, not stealing. Sure, it's still illegal, but it's a different kettle of fish entirely and I personally resent companies that claim you have no ownership over the products you buy, who don't offer any resale value for their products, and who actively seek to inconvenience and exploit their customers through micro transactions for content that has no reason to have not been included in the first place or draconian measures to ensure legitimate customers are such whilst having no effect on those who are not legitimate.
It especially winds me up when people moan about pirates and their sense of 'entitlement' - the publishers are just as guilty of this, treating theoretical sales as losses and doing their best to prevent a second-hand market for any software. "Herp, if you want to play the game you need to pay us FULL PRICE derp" sure, because that's what people do with any other entertainment medium - oh, wait, no it's not. Entire shops are dedicated to second hand books, DVDs have no restrictions on re-sales, and both are freely available to borrow from libraries. Once I buy a PC game, that's it. Boom. No value in it at all. I can't even give away modern games due to the nature of their protection.
Fuck 'em, and their entitlement issues.
i was wondering do you guys in america have commercials on BBC. in britian we pay a TV licence so technically the viewers own the BBC (sort of) thats why it doesn't have commercial breaks and we have a free service called "i player" where we can stream an archieve of shows on our PC. if only all corporations were like the BBCNetrigan said:
OT: why would anyone pirate when its free to watch online
That article is looong. But really his numbers don't add up to that much considering most of them are probably repeat offenders which he didn't really address. He said "look, 2 million! 200,000 for that game, 500,000 for that one, etc." High cap on any game shows you roughly how many people total are pirating out there in that method roughly.
I am not saying it is ok but the author does have an opinion on the matter and it shows. And as much as he blabbered about how he was trying to write an unbias review, he should have known that basing an arguement on unsubstantial guesstimation is going to be bias. I mean he did mention all this stuff in the beginning. Basically, stating "I know this stuff cannot be accuratley recorded" and ending with "Here I show you that these figures and these figures = piracy is costing devs money". This is speculation and so forth.
Plus these numbers are on a world wide scale seeing as he mostly focused on torrents. These numbers just aren't as large as he makes them out to be. Not to mention some of his graphical aids seemed questionable. I particularly like the one where the # of downloads were all nice round even numbers.
I am not saying it is ok but the author does have an opinion on the matter and it shows. And as much as he blabbered about how he was trying to write an unbias review, he should have known that basing an arguement on unsubstantial guesstimation is going to be bias. I mean he did mention all this stuff in the beginning. Basically, stating "I know this stuff cannot be accuratley recorded" and ending with "Here I show you that these figures and these figures = piracy is costing devs money". This is speculation and so forth.
Plus these numbers are on a world wide scale seeing as he mostly focused on torrents. These numbers just aren't as large as he makes them out to be. Not to mention some of his graphical aids seemed questionable. I particularly like the one where the # of downloads were all nice round even numbers.
That's why i download movies, I don't have to sit through that unskippable bullshit. I buy the movies on DVD mind you, i just never let the DVD touch the DVD player. I'll watch the downloaded version without the pious messagethank you very much. Like he said, why am I being punished for buying their goddamned product?shootthebandit said:
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Case in point here is Resident Evil 5. Multiplayer was already there when it shipped. It just wasn't available and you had to pay to unlock it. WHAT?!Wicky_42 said:
Wait, what? You pirate the games you think won't be good? You have something seriously wrong with you if that is your justification. What if you pirate a game you think will be bad and it ends up being good? You don't strike me as the person who would then buy the game out of the kindness of your heart. What about if you a buy a game you think will be good and it end up being bad? Do you then send it back and pirate it as revenge?YukoValis said:
Sometimes I wish the Thought Police were real...
Piracy is not stealing - you do not remove the original item from the owner. You can bullshit around with "Oh but by not buying it you steal because they don't get paid and bla bla bla" malarkey, but in the classic sense of the word it's not stealing, alright? At no point during the download process do you take anything away from the original owner. You download the game from a source that has gotten it by downloading it themselves. The stealing has happened way before you downloaded a copy.
It is, however mainly illegal and I fully accept I'm breaking certain laws (albeit usually not FINNISH laws, so I'm not phased by big yank companies waving their lawsuits around on the internet) when downloading, and might seem like a tosser to certain people. I always buy good games to support the developer. I pirated Borderlands to give it a try, and then bought the game of the year edition and played through all the DLC's with my friends over a year later.
In terms of pirating music, I'm not going to feel bad about someone from like Metallica or something being unable to buy their sixth gold-plated private jet and mansion because people download their music.
It is, however mainly illegal and I fully accept I'm breaking certain laws (albeit usually not FINNISH laws, so I'm not phased by big yank companies waving their lawsuits around on the internet) when downloading, and might seem like a tosser to certain people. I always buy good games to support the developer. I pirated Borderlands to give it a try, and then bought the game of the year edition and played through all the DLC's with my friends over a year later.
In terms of pirating music, I'm not going to feel bad about someone from like Metallica or something being unable to buy their sixth gold-plated private jet and mansion because people download their music.
Sorry icame, I don't want to read that much now, and I agree with...
I recently bought season 1 of the "My name is Earl" series and that stupid, like 4 minutes long "piracy is stealing" video runs ON EVERY DISK. If I have bought the freaking DVD set I really don't want to see those clips. That gets me sooooo mad.
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But I just have to pour my heart. For this:twistedheat15 said:
OOOOOOH MY GOD!!! I f*cking hate that shit! So, yes I have. I mean, these stupid looooong clips really get me. I mean I never ever write in caps, but I am just so mad for them.shootthebandit said:
I recently bought season 1 of the "My name is Earl" series and that stupid, like 4 minutes long "piracy is stealing" video runs ON EVERY DISK. If I have bought the freaking DVD set I really don't want to see those clips. That gets me sooooo mad.
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Well this is why I am mad and sad about these clips. No it would not. Those clips have separate index in the DVD and it is actually possible to take them away directly from piracy copy. I am not a pirate, but I know about the DVD indexing. And when (by the pirates) it is ported to video file, it is very easy to edit it out. I mean anyone has the skills to edit that begin clip away nowadays.Netrigan said:
Pirates are selfish, wanting other peoples hard work for nothing. No matter how you dress it up, thats whats happening.
I don't know the ins and outs of law or computers but I think they should just close down pirating sites, maybe track which IP address have downloaded copy writted material and fine them or atleast fill them with viruses.
They can moan about the sites being used for perfectly legal reasons but come on, "PIRATE" bay what do they think goes on there? People swapping self made pirate comics and pictures to each other?
A used game will be bought, then sold on. There is still the exact same number of copies and the original buyer can't enjoy it anymore.
Saying used games could be worse then piracy is just wrong.
I don't know the ins and outs of law or computers but I think they should just close down pirating sites, maybe track which IP address have downloaded copy writted material and fine them or atleast fill them with viruses.
They can moan about the sites being used for perfectly legal reasons but come on, "PIRATE" bay what do they think goes on there? People swapping self made pirate comics and pictures to each other?
There is a massive difference between pirating and used game sales, a pirate will buy the game then put it on the net (or wherever) were it is copied 1,000 plus times and the first person still is able to play it.tmacfan4321 said:
A used game will be bought, then sold on. There is still the exact same number of copies and the original buyer can't enjoy it anymore.
Saying used games could be worse then piracy is just wrong.
And that proves exactly what? You are still denying people money for their work you're using. It doesn't matter whether it's bad or not.YukoValis said:
That article failed to mention that a large group of people that pirate PC games do it to check the game before they buy it. What if you buy a game that has no demo, only biased reviews and it turns out the game is crap, it's buggy, it crashes all the time or it doesn't even run on your PC? That it one way to look at piracy. You have the right to know what you're buying, just like a test drive when you wanna buy a car, or movie rental, or game rental on consoles. You can't rent games on PC so you don't even know what you're giving your money for.
I'm not sure about BBC America, but they add commercial breaks to programs on other cable channels (PBS is the lone exception, but that has a different funding model: a mix of corporate sponsorship (brief ads before a show), government subsidies, and fund raising drives aimed at viewers.shootthebandit said:
But the vast majority of American TV channels are supported by advertising, so advertising breaks get shoved into shows where they don't really have a right being.
Most of what I buy is from Steam sales. I've got more games than I can wag a stick at because they just have awesome sales all the time. I got the CoH set for $12.50, haven't even beaten the first game. I got all of Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse for 20$, and I've only just started on the second game. Torchlight was $10 on sale and I squeezed at least 80 hours of game-time off that. I got all of Civ 4 (i.e. the game + BTS + warlords + colonization) for ten bucks. I could be a pirate, but for a few dollars more I could be a legitimate customer and continue to throw money at the VALVe-pile so they have more fuel for their STEAM engine (that ended up working out much better than I thought it would.)
On the console side of things, you could get great downloadable games off XBLA and the PSN. Castle Crashers is 15$. The old Final Fantasy games are 10$. Are these games any less fun than the brand-spanking-new AAA titles? Not necessarily. New AAA games push the new hardware to its limits, but they're not necessarily more fun. And fun is why I'm in this schtick to begin with.
Having said that, game companies still have to provide demos to people so they can try games before they shell out the full price to buy them. Had I not been able to try Red Dead Redemption at a friend's house, I wouldn't have bought it. Activision/IW had a great idea in releasing a demo for MW2 after everyone and their dog bought the game (although, since each yearly sequel plays so similarly to the previous game, a demo is kind of unnecessary.)
I'm not really sure what my point is here. I suppose game companies should A: provide demos for people to try instead of resorting to piracy for a "free trial", and B: make cheaper games with less-than-top-notch graphics and focus on making fun games and trying new things. Gamers should probably take a look outside the BRAND NEW AAA TITLES MUST BUY section of the gamestore and look at the cheaper, indie titles available on the internet. Look at Minecraft - the guy became a millionaire based on an Alpha version of a game and all it has is massive blocks and pixelated textures, but it sandboxes the shit out of every other game that claims to be a sandbox game, and gamers said "hell yes this game is the shit."
I'm rambling now.
On the console side of things, you could get great downloadable games off XBLA and the PSN. Castle Crashers is 15$. The old Final Fantasy games are 10$. Are these games any less fun than the brand-spanking-new AAA titles? Not necessarily. New AAA games push the new hardware to its limits, but they're not necessarily more fun. And fun is why I'm in this schtick to begin with.
Having said that, game companies still have to provide demos to people so they can try games before they shell out the full price to buy them. Had I not been able to try Red Dead Redemption at a friend's house, I wouldn't have bought it. Activision/IW had a great idea in releasing a demo for MW2 after everyone and their dog bought the game (although, since each yearly sequel plays so similarly to the previous game, a demo is kind of unnecessary.)
I'm not really sure what my point is here. I suppose game companies should A: provide demos for people to try instead of resorting to piracy for a "free trial", and B: make cheaper games with less-than-top-notch graphics and focus on making fun games and trying new things. Gamers should probably take a look outside the BRAND NEW AAA TITLES MUST BUY section of the gamestore and look at the cheaper, indie titles available on the internet. Look at Minecraft - the guy became a millionaire based on an Alpha version of a game and all it has is massive blocks and pixelated textures, but it sandboxes the shit out of every other game that claims to be a sandbox game, and gamers said "hell yes this game is the shit."
I'm rambling now.
i basically go the same wayKarathos said:
especially with movies, ill download if either im not sure whether its good, whether ive already seen it and i want it before it gets its dvd release, or if i already own it but want a digital copy for my zune etc.
ive only downloaded 2 games, and i ended up buying one via steam anywho,
and the only band that i will buy music from is iron maiden. like karathos said, they have too much money anywho
... Where do you get your information from?SICK0_ZER0 said:
Look at Sweden, only just become moderate after almost 100 years of socialism, and has some of the lowest levels of both relative and absolute poverty, and one of the most equal income distributions, in addition to great availability of education and healthcare as a result of high levels of public spending and a strong welfare system. Despite the welfare system (and average around 47% taxes), 75% of 16-64 year-olds work. It's the number one EU country for education and political equality, and number one globally for gender equality.
What about Vietnam? Communist and yet, to quote Wikipedia "Its economic growth has been among the highest in the world in the past decade. These economic reforms also introduced inequality in many spheres of life in Vietnam such as income distribution and women's rights." The more I read about it, the more I'm impressed with that country.
So, where is the failure you were talking about? Or was that some sort of general ignorance thing?