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Wadders

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Nickolai77 said:
LFC are the pride of Liverpool city? I know a few Everton fans who would beg to differ :p

Also, another major British sport is Rugby, no way near as popular as Football, but just as awesome, for different reasons :D

Bollocks, can't believe i forgot about Everton. I guess it's just because they're not as good as Liverpool :p

True about rugby as well, that's defiantly a major sport.
Lol, easily done, I'm a Man City fan, so we're used to the same sort of treatment when compared with that other Manchester team :p

Yeah, gotta love some Rugby. I only really follow the internationals, but the 6 Nations is always brilliant, I'm in Uni in Wales, so the English/ Welsh rivalry and banter here is fantastic. Cannot wait for the World Cup!

EDIT: wtf is up with the quoting recently? It's cutting and pasting shit all over the place :(

oh wait my bad, fixed :)
 

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Never understood the idea of "Britishness".

What does it mean to be British, other than the fact you might just happen to live/be born there?
 

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Jonny49 said:
Never understood the idea of "Britishness".

What does it mean to be British, other than the fact you might just happen to live/be born there?
These days, probably not much. I guess Britishness is a kind of identification with our history and traditions and culture such as it is, like sports for an example, as evidenced here.

I'm rare in that I'm proud to be British, I just like our country for all it's faults. I cant explain it really, I guess patriotism is something you either have or don't, and neither group will understand the other.
 

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SadakoMoose said:
Was this enthusiasm and interest prompted by the recent death of Sir Henry Cooper [//www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8487333/Sir-Henry-Cooper.html] - the man who floored Cassius Clay with his signature left hook?

Nickolai77 said:
LFC are the pride of Liverpool city? I know a few Everton fans who would beg to differ :p
I remember once seeing this cracking banner Everton fans put up across the motorway that read "Everton welcomes all Liverpool fans" - wonderfully and sneakily satirising the fact that most Liverpool fans aren't from Liverpool.

OT: Wrestling, pffft. We had a better arena sport...
 

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IndianaJonny said:
SadakoMoose said:
Was this enthusiasm and interest prompted by the recent death of Sir Henry Cooper [//www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8487333/Sir-Henry-Cooper.html] - the man who floored Cassius Clay with his signature left hook?

Nickolai77 said:
LFC are the pride of Liverpool city? I know a few Everton fans who would beg to differ :p
I remember once seeing this cracking banner Everton fans put up across the motorway that read "Everton welcomes all Liverpool fans" - wonderfully and sneakily satirising the fact that most Liverpool fans aren't from Liverpool.
Ok the quotes are fucked after all, it was me that posted that :-S

But yeah, you gotta love that kind of banter. City fans always have a go at Utd because of the massive amount of support they have from non-Mancunians, the most famous example being this, when Tevez left Utd for City:



It's pretty stupid really, but it probably annoyed some Utd. fans, so hey :p
 

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Nickolai77 said:
Brit Escapist here:



But that's me personally, what about the rest of the nation? I think it might be something to do with the image that wrestling has. Most people think of wrestling to be this:

It's very Amerianised, very macho, very individualistic- heck they all look like super-hero's, none of which mean anything to stereotypically modest and introverted Britishers.



That's Liverpool FC at their home ground in Anfield. They're the pride of the city, and the pride of most people whom identify with scousers and perhaps anyone whom hates Man U. Football is something any city kid can play, all you need is a football and a few friends. It's something that practically all British children grow up playing, and when they are too old to play, they watch in their local pub. Football is a team game, and it's a game with it's heart in the city. It's rooted into the mindset of British working class culture.


Now, this is from a recent England V India cricket match. Cricket certainly appeals more to the wealthy rural classes, the middle England type i suppose, but is also very popular in places up north such as Yorkshire. Cricket is a living legacy of the British Empire, which perhaps at a subtle, subconscious level appeals to some people. However, for most i think it's something you just grow up with if you have a privileged upbringing in one of the many rural towns across the countryside. Many English villages have a cricket green, it's a very nice, comfortable game to play on warm summer days. Again, like football it's a team game, only this time in the countryside and perhaps with a dose of old British stiff upper lip.

If wrestling was a major British sport, i can only think that it got overtaken by football or perhaps boxing, which is a major sport in the UK. If anything, i think wrestling needs to lose it's American image and tone itself down a bit if it wants to appeal more to Brit's.
A little stereotypical, but kind of true...
Most Doctors don't throw punches too often, sooo yeah
Anyway, what the WWE does is only derivative of pro wrestling.
Go anywhere, it's usually more athletically focused than anything...
Here's a music video from an RJPW Event
That's what pro wrestling is nowadays.
What you see in that video is coming together of the world.
Mexico's Lucha Libre style high flying
Japan's hard hitting kicks and throws
America's Flair and Gimmickry
Look, you can even see one Kendo Nagasaki's successors!

I don't want British wrestling from the past to come back. Those days are gone
I want it to be able to contribute to the development of wrestling in the modern world.
The more countries contributing and further the health of wrestling, the better quality of matches we well get.

Let's fill the whole world with wrestling!
 

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Wadders said:
Heh, yeah, the fans should know better and the one's that do have a great way of rubbing it in - the players, well, they're essentially just mercenaries. It's a long time since trying to get Alan Shearer in your old Panini sticker album without creasing him and Gary Lineker's 'Dick Dastardly' attempts to assassinate Michael Owen in the old Walker's adverts. Good times.
 

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Here's a top ten moves video of PAC, the Man Gravity Forgot.
Born in Newcastle upon Tyne, his real name is Ben Satterly.
At 26, he's the future of British pro wrestling.
Let's give this kid some well deserved attention and fame in his own country, yeah?
 

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I'm British, 37 years old, and have no idea who the man in the OP was. Now, if you had shown a picture of Big Daddy or Giant Haystacks, I would have had a better idea. But wrestling has not been on regular television (channels 1-5, accessible to all without extra fees) for well over 20 years and when it was shown, it was seen as a bit of a joke, silly teatime viewing for the kiddies. I have never met a British person who takes it even remotely seriously.

I get really, really annoyed when pro "wrestling" is considered a sport. If you already know who the winner is before someone sets foot on the pitch/track/ring etc then it isn't sport. Is it dangerous to leap off a ladder and fall through a table? Of course it it. But at the very best it is a soap opera/stunt show hybrid.

I like my sport to actually BE sport. And I agree with a comment put up here about football in the UK. I might be a woman, but I still grew up playing it at school and in my parent's driveway with my friends. I am still glued to the Premier League and the Championship and am gutted that the season is nearly over. I also adore Rugby (preferring Union to League) and it always makes me snicker to see American Football players in body armour when our rugby players usually do little more than slip in a gum-shield and tape their ears down so they don't get ripped off in a scrum.


Oh - And the post above me? I live in Newcastle Upon Tyne, I have no idea who that guy is either.
 

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Wrestling in my group of friends was pretty cool when we were like 10, and I knew of a few other people who liked it. I think when it changed from WWF to WWE everyone went off it for some reason. I remember we used to love playing on the PS1 smackdown game :p


But i'm British (English) and pretty patriotic.

Oh and I guess why British don't like wrestling very much is that we don't have anyone representing us on WWE (there was William Regal who I always played as in the games) and so no one bothers to support people.

Boxing is pretty huge in the UK though, I think it really picked up after the Olympics where Amir Kahn brought home some jewellary and the Brits went 'Yay we have something to be proud of again'.
 

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Woop! Britain!
Scones, Tea, Better looking television, BBC and most importantly RICH TEA BISCUITS!
Yeah you can get them in 'the good ol' US of A' but they're British and are better in Britain coz we are AWESOME!
 
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Wrestling died in the early 80s, when we still had Central and all the other TV companies. It wasn't so much that Vince Mcmahon killed it, it was more that he brought the American side back to life.

Big Daddy, Kendo Nagasaki and Giant Haystacks used to slap fight all the way through Saturday afternoon, with Dickie Davies covering them, but against Jerry "The King" Lawler and Gorilla Monsoon, they didn't really stand a chance.

Then there was the scandal of Big Daddy killing someone with the "splash" and it was all over. Britain can't take a scandal of that level. (Benoit/Owen Hart nearly took WWE down, remember)

And I believe Kendo is still wrestling out there. He was even seen back in 2008. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7702456.stm]
 

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bahumat42 said:
you mean other than all the rowing and bike events xD
Yeah but how many rowing or bike events can you tell me about imbetween the Olympics? There's the Henley Regatta (which i've been to once even though I live 5 minutes away from Henley) and the varsity race... and I can't think of any bike events (this is stand-alone events, Commonwealth games doesn't count).
 

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Wait there was such a thing as "British Wrestling?"

The fuck? I thought we only had boxing... Y'know the one that's not fake XD
 

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some people just aren't into sport, though I still hate the fact that most people in the country like watching shitty soap opera's, so our TV channels are clogged with them. Also as a british person I dislike things that you would expect a british person to like.

like Tea, for example.
Argh. I hate tea. And the 'British' accent. There is no such thing. We have hundreds of accents in Britain.
 

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Considering Britain is very much a mixing pot of cultures and ethnicities, it's hard to properly define 'Britishness'. If by Britishness, tea, biscuits and scones is implied then Britishness is apparently something that's a consistent throwback to Victorian times.

If I'm going to be honest, modern Britishness appears to be ASBO's, underfunded military operations and queues.

As you may be able to tell, I'm British and very ashamed to be so. We are pretty much the laughing stock of the EDW at the moment. Not to mention that the most financially and culturally persecuted people are the white middle class, everyone else are practically universally protected characteristics.

Catchy Slogan said:
We have hundreds of accents in Britain.
Too true, the rest of the world thinks the only British accents are the haughty pompous one and cockney one. Pretty much every major city has it's own distinct accent.
 

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The Wykydtron said:
Wait there was such a thing as "British Wrestling?"

The fuck? I thought we only had boxing... Y'know the one that's not fake XD
Well yes, and it was something to be proud of.

mikozero said:
we tend to like our sports real ?
Did you watch that video about PAC I put up?
I know that's clearly not an athletic contest but that's seriously not exciting?

The_root_of_all_evil said:
Wrestling died in the early 80s, when we still had Central and all the other TV companies. It wasn't so much that Vince McMahon killed it, it was more that he brought the American side back to life.

Big Daddy, Kendo Nagasaki and Giant Haystacks used to slap fight all the way through Saturday afternoon, with Dickie Davies covering them, but against Jerry "The King" Lawler and Gorilla Monsoon, they didn't really stand a chance.

Then there was the scandal of Big Daddy killing someone with the "splash" and it was all over. Britain can't take a scandal of that level. (Benoit/Owen Hart nearly took WWE down, remember)

And I believe Kendo is still wrestling out there. He was even seen back in 2008. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7702456.stm]
Yeah, Big Daddy was a bit of a relic of the 80's and 70's, obviously.
But seriously, did you look at the videos I put up?
Wrestling's a lot different now. Faster and harder.
I think Britain should start playing a role in the sport's development again.
Nobody outside of Britain cares about Big Daddy, he was a cultural oddity.
But Mark Rocco was the first Black Tiger. One of the greatest rivals of Japanese Super Hero Tiger Mask. Most Japanese boys and men have seen or heard of Tiger Mask at one point, just like Ultraman or Kamen Rider. It's kind of like how an English man got to be the physical presence of DARTH VADER, with J.E. Jones doing the voice.

Valksy said:
I'm British, 37 years old, and have no idea who the man in the OP was. Now, if you had shown a picture of Big Daddy or Giant Haystacks, I would have had a better idea. But wrestling has not been on regular television (channels 1-5, accessible to all without extra fees) for well over 20 years and when it was shown, it was seen as a bit of a joke, silly teatime viewing for the kiddies. I have never met a British person who takes it even remotely seriously.

I get really, really annoyed when pro "wrestling" is considered a sport. If you already know who the winner is before someone sets foot on the pitch/track/ring etc then it isn't sport. Is it dangerous to leap off a ladder and fall through a table? Of course it it. But at the very best it is a soap opera/stunt show hybrid.

I like my sport to actually BE sport. And I agree with a comment put up here about football in the UK. I might be a woman, but I still grew up playing it at school and in my parent's driveway with my friends. I am still glued to the Premier League and the Championship and am gutted that the season is nearly over. I also adore Rugby (preferring Union to League) and it always makes me snicker to see American Football players in body armour when our rugby players usually do little more than slip in a gum-shield and tape their ears down so they don't get ripped off in a scrum.


Oh - And the post above me? I live in Newcastle Upon Tyne, I have no idea who that guy is either.
Well, the definition of sport may mention competition, but that doesn't mean it's required. Hunting is described sometimes as sport, and that's barely a challenge for any competent tool using mammal. Hell, the human body was basically evolved to be superior at hunting and gathering. Personally, I still qualify athletic endeavors like professional wrestling as sport due to their great deal of training and danger involved.

Pac's career has mostly taken him through Japan (Dragon Gate) and the US (PWG and ROH), since the UK is slim pickin' for good work in wrestling. So he hasn't been home in a while.

I honestly don't care enough about Rugby or American football to offer an opinion there.