To hell with WoW, I want Warcraft 4!
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Well, they already resurrected Illidan once. Who's to say they can't do it again?Zekksta said:
All jokes aside, I think it's very likely that the entire storyline of WoW will be buried and forgotten, starting it from WC3 and going into WC4.
There's no way they could conceiveably continue the "true" WC storyline after the complete and utter destruction of said by way of WoW.
I totally enjoy WoW, for the gameplay and the social aspects, but I stopped paying attention to its lore when they brought Illidan back from the dead.
I think it is safe to say that at some point in the next 5 or 6 years we will see a Warcraft 4. Also, to all those saying that WoW killed the story, there is a simple fix, make a diverging timeline. So, after warcraft 3, the story splits, one part continues into WoW, and the other goes on to make Warcraft 4. That way, all the major characters are not dead, and goblins are not driving around in literal cars.
Well, truthfully, the only reason I dug out my old Warcraft III disc, was the beautiful cinematics, but now that they're rendered in real-time, like in Starcraft II, they won't work too well with my laptop.
Listen here, son. I bought me that there Warcraft 3 in 2002. That was back in the day when games shipped on these here metallic circle things, and you had to play on a "computer," just without the colonoscopy known as DRM. Now my rig was not the prettiest, or the fastest, but did I complain? Hell naw! And goddang it, we all loved playing that WC3. Shoot, some of us even called it the greatest game ever released!mindlesspuppet said:
(I've always wanted to write like that. Abysmal old age ftw!)
Blizzard is still telling an awesome story. It's just a lot of the mindset of MMO gamers is go go go, level, level, level, gear, gear, gear, and that sounds like your friend.
If you read the quests, and now with the release of Cataclysm watch the cinematics, you won't be disappointed. If you don't, well you'll have about as much knowledge of what's going on in the world as your friend.
The new undead story-line is pretty incredible though. I am blown away by how much better the horde 1-60 experience has been...which kind of sucks since my main is Alliance.
If you read the quests, and now with the release of Cataclysm watch the cinematics, you won't be disappointed. If you don't, well you'll have about as much knowledge of what's going on in the world as your friend.
The new undead story-line is pretty incredible though. I am blown away by how much better the horde 1-60 experience has been...which kind of sucks since my main is Alliance.
The biggest reason there may not be a Warcraft 4 is the quite frankly stupid amounts of money pouring in from WoW. Blizzard is making a killing off subscription fees. Where as Warcraft 3 never had a subscription fee. Businesses go where the money is, and right now Wow is the main bread winner. I'm sure it will happen someday. I myself like WoW more and never liked RTS's but my point remains valid.
I can name a dozen categorical failures beyond the lore.JUMBO PALACE said:
Most of them start with 'Gr' and end in 'ind', and they are as redundant and annoying as WoW's "gameplay".
Then again, WoW trashing the lore was just par for the course; they were doing it from Day 1! Remember: the Horde and Alliance ended their amiable relations just for mandatory PvP.
No other explanation is really given other than "They hate each other now. Because."
Everything else was built or explained into the story after the fact, but the truth is, Blizzard had no idea how to force the two factions back into total war after they literally saved each others' lives. I hear Cataclysm is trying to "correct" this, by eliminating Thrall from the picture and putting Grom Hellscream's idiot son in charge of the Horde (to make them more aggressive, since Thrall is pretty much "WoW Jesus" at this point).
The series' history of one-upsmanship continues with them sending you after the next "big bads" (dragons), and the problem of doing this contiguously is that there is no longer any tension in the story or lore.
It's the same problem that plagues those silly Star Wars novels, where we find Imperial super weapons that were supposedly more powerful and dangerous than the Death Star, just to artificially create tension ("Suncrusher"...seriously?).
Even later, after the majority of the Imperial Remnants have been mopped up, a new conveniently stronger Big Bad enters the picture the instant the New Republic begins to stabilize (Yuuzan Vong). It's literally like they were waiting for the director's cue to enter the scene.
Where's the bloody tension in that? Why should I care?
Without a "cooldown" period, lore becomes fatigued, and WoW's lore is fatigued to the point of being broken.
I would love to see what they will do for a Warcraft 4 story, because the worst things that could happen to the world have already happened or been thwarted.
Meh, I don't really know what the fuck is going on with WoW lore. I hardly raid, or give much of a shit about the NPCs/raid bosses, never read the quest logs and pretty much play solely because the PvP is so damn fun. I never bought the game for the lore to begin with, never even played Warcraft. I just pretend the lore doesn't exist and make up my own reasons as to why stuff is how it is.
A Warcraft 4 simply cannot happen now. The plot has been carried away by WoW and has changed to something so abstract from the RTS games that it needs to stay there in order to survive.
Illidan never died. There were voice clips recorded for the final scene of TFT to indicate this, but they weren't in the final version of the game (Though you can still find them in the game's MPQ files, I believe).CCountZero said:Well, they already resurrected Illidan once. Who's to say they can't do it again?Zekksta said:
All jokes aside, I think it's very likely that the entire storyline of WoW will be buried and forgotten, starting it from WC3 and going into WC4.
There's no way they could conceiveably continue the "true" WC storyline after the complete and utter destruction of said by way of WoW.
I totally enjoy WoW, for the gameplay and the social aspects, but I stopped paying attention to its lore when they brought Illidan back from the dead.
You mean like how they invented a whole new cast and storyline for WC3? It feels like people don't remember that Thrall, Arthas, Jaina and Illidan didn't exist before Reign of Chaos.Zekksta said:
Anyway, I think that if they do a WC4 (technically, WC5 - WoW is WC4 - but probably called WC4) it'll be like, 20/30 years after WoW. Gives them some breathing room.
I'd like Warcraft 4 but with continuing the WC 3 story and completely ignoring events in WoW, and this is only because I can't play WoW and I don't feel like reading. Also they can do the story just like in WoW but it has to be an RTS.
Well you mentioned other lore a couple times,but what else is left? The Scourge and Burning Legion are gone, Illidan and Arthas are dead, as Death Wing soon will be, and the Horde abd Alliance are at a truce. All of the characters we cared about are dead or irrelevant and every major conflict has been resolved. What "other lore" is there to explore?Maraveno said:
How can you not know who illidan and arthas are?! Slap your friend. Hard.
Anyway i play WoW and i would love warcraft 4, i've played all the other warcraft games so i'd kill for a new RTS in the series.
Also i always read a quests text unless i've already done it previously, i like to know whats happening and it gives things context or at the least colour.
Anyway i play WoW and i would love warcraft 4, i've played all the other warcraft games so i'd kill for a new RTS in the series.
Also i always read a quests text unless i've already done it previously, i like to know whats happening and it gives things context or at the least colour.
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I want WC4 too :'( Although I can live with the big changes I think. I like how the blood elves joined the horde, and the goblins are now playable (they were always part of the horde). The Alliance really needed a good guy, and the Exodar s beautiful (or was, havent played cataclysm yet) so I can live with the draneai.
personally, i loved warcraft 3, i didn't play the ones before it (i was too young), but i loved warcraft 3 from the moment i started it. world of warcraft... never quite did it for me, i'm a strategy/RPG player and i hate subscription fees, so i play the console games, not MMOs. plus the fact that i get murdered pretty much as soon as i arrived every time i went on so there was no point. i would love a warcraft 4, especially if they made it as well as they did 3. i've played through it about 3/4 times now and the same for he frozen throne. i still suck, but oh well, it's a game: it's fun!