To hell with WoW, I want Warcraft 4!

[mentalkitty789]

My friend (big WoW player) and I (big Warcraft fan) shortly after he defeated the lich king, conversation pretty much went like this:
Me: "..you killed the lich king!? man arthas was badass"
friend: "who's Arthas?"
Me: :|...."next thing you'll tell me you dont know how illidan is"
friend: "Illidan?...oh the dude with the wings"
Me: :|

Admittedly on WoW I don?t really read quests, unless I know it?s rather important. But how could you play WoW for 4 years and not know who the key characters of the expansions are built around especially after killing the poor guys?

I know it?s probably been talked about again and again but that is one major fault with WoW. I feel like blizzard are telling these awesome stories but no one is listening, they're all too busy trying to get the best stats. If that?s how they play the game then that?s cool, that?s their choice. But Warcraft 3 was so amazing for its story telling!

Now I have a dream...that Warcraft 4 would someday come and be a totally awesome RTS (I know it?s not a very big dream). I know Blizzard are making stupid amounts from WoW but all the WoW players would buy it and of course WoW could continue.

Anyway questions are guys, do you follow what?s going on in WoW? Would you want a warcraft 4 to be released?

Yes I want this, sadly I don't think it will happen. Personally I don't know WHY though. Making 'Warcraft 4' doesn't mean they have to STOP making shit for World of Warcraft. Really they could do a number of things, make it an alternate time line, skip a large amount of time into the future.
I agree though we need a new Warcraft rts, its map editor is so good I've been just fucking around with it for years. Someone at Blizzard could pull their head out their arse and suggest this! I hope someone does... Maybe we should start a petition? XD
Also the only reason I play WoW is for the rp realms. It is the only thing that keeps me interested, because I can guarantee it isn't the giant fucking dragon that interests me. It still breaks my heart that we murdered Illidan Kael and Arthas. Rest in peace you magnificent bastards.

 

[mentalkitty789]

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Well you mentioned other lore a couple times,but what else is left? The Scourge and Burning Legion are gone, Illidan and Arthas are dead, as Death Wing soon will be, and the Horde abd Alliance are at a truce. All of the characters we cared about are dead or irrelevant and every major conflict has been resolved. What "other lore" is there to explore?

The Legion isn't gone yet. We only forced Kil'jaeden back we didn't KILL HIM. Still yes Illidan Arthas The Scourge, and soon the Black dragons will be gone. There is only two places left to go with Warcraft, an alternate time line or.. THE FUTURE

 

[mentalkitty789]

Oh yah the infinite dragons.... Why Blizzard? I'll admit it was kinda cool going back in time but now we can't have alternative time lines. -tear- Really I'll admit I like the instances but I've stopped caring after we had to cull Stratholme. The whole time I was always thinking, "Why the fuck don't we kill Arthas and save us a lot of grief in the future?"

 

[C117]

Yeah, I'd rather see Warcraft 4 than Diablo 3, or WoW: Return of the Ugly Trousers or whatever...

 

[M Silverthorn]

Blizzard seems content to allow WoW, the Paperback books and Manga to drive the storyline...I don't think we'd *need* a Warcraft IV to introduce a new chapter.

Maybe if they reworked the Warcraft III platform to sort of 'update' it for 2011?

The Humans become the "Grand Alliance" faction with Dwarves and Gnomes.
The Night Elves become the "Shadow-Alliance-Arroooo-Raar" faction with Draenei and Worgen.
The Orcs become the "Horde" faction with more Tauren, Trolls and Goblins.
The Undead become the "Forsaken" faction with those damned Blood Elves along for the ride.

And then you'd toss in two or three more factions for the 'evil' groupings. The Legion, the Scourge, the Old Gods, Elemental Lords, whatever.

Hey, why not?

 

[Mcface]

Yes because this world totally needs another RTS.

 

[mentalkitty789]

No.

Arthas, Illidan and Kaelthas are dead.

For me all the cool bad guys have already been dealt with.

For WC4 they'd have to make mostly new characters for the "bad guys" and showcase their rise to power in a different way (good guy turns bad kinda getting stale with blizz), and it would most likely involve the dragons which I'm a little sick of in WoW tbh.

I don't see what they could put in WC4.

all the cool bad guys?
so we are going to ignore the naga and their queen azshara
how about the old gods? no good for you either?
how about the emerald nightmare?
not to mention kil'jaeden.

There's plenty more but i cba to list them (mainly since im not a huge lore nerd to remember them all) but they are there.

We're kinda in the process of dealing with the Old Gods. I like them, kinda, but not all that much because... We have groups of 10 people KILLING GODS. It just makes them seem like pussies. >.> Kil'Jaeden yah, but we already kicked his arse once so we can probably do it again. Azshara, aren't we kinda already dealing with her? I mean with the slaughtering of Naga in the underwater zone and such.

 

[OliverTwist72]

I still play DotA on WC3, it's pretty sweet. I have to say tho, you see less and less ppl on bnet now tho.

 

[M Silverthorn]

Hey, why not?

I'll be honest, because your idea sucks from what I can make out of it.
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Gasp, no! My feelings!

 

[Souplex]

We all do, but it simply won't happen.

 

[John Funk]

Yes because this world totally needs another RTS.

What does it need, an FPS? Go troll those threads, please.

Hey, why not?

I'll be honest, because your idea sucks from what I can make out of it.

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Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but did Warcraft 2 not really have much in the way of story, lore and that sort of stuff compared to Warcraft 3?

Either way, it doesn't even really matter. What matters is, you can't just add some new lore when so much was completely and utterly destroyed by WoW and expect a simple jump in time to fix things. This is something I'd find hilarious, personally. Characters referencing how half the big baddies died over the course of a year or two in the timeline, comedy gold. Most of them completely unrelated, too.

No, seriously, Warcraft needs to be left alone to die its slow, horrible death and not be turned into this cripple of a universe.

WC3 had more story actively TOLD (cutscenes and the like as opposed to mission briefings) but they had pretty much the same amount of story. WC3 just expanded the universe, with the ties to the events of WC2 vestigial at best. I see no reason why a WC4 wouldn't be the same. Do you think if WC4 took place thirty years after current WoW, the people would be still talking about Arthas and Illidan? How often do we talk about events from thirty years ago today?

"So much was completely and utterly destroyed by WoW." This is a statement that means nothing. The story has been progressed. Perhaps not in the direction you'd personally PREFER, but saying it's been "destroyed" is a mis-statement at best. There are new storylines and new characters never seen in WC3, and the world and universe have been expanded far beyond what one could conceivably do in an RTS. The only thing that could have "crippled" the WC universe is the fact that its designers would have to consider the fact that they're running it alongside a constantly-changing game.

There's plenty to do in a hypothetical WC4.

 

[Mcface]

Yes because this world totally needs another RTS.

What does it need, an FPS? Go troll those threads, please.

Hey, why not?

I'll be honest, because your idea sucks from what I can make out of it.

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Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but did Warcraft 2 not really have much in the way of story, lore and that sort of stuff compared to Warcraft 3?

Either way, it doesn't even really matter. What matters is, you can't just add some new lore when so much was completely and utterly destroyed by WoW and expect a simple jump in time to fix things. This is something I'd find hilarious, personally. Characters referencing how half the big baddies died over the course of a year or two in the timeline, comedy gold. Most of them completely unrelated, too.

No, seriously, Warcraft needs to be left alone to die its slow, horrible death and not be turned into this cripple of a universe.

It needs more games like Men of War. Actually good RTS games, instead of just "LOL HOYKEY UNIT SPAM" that shit is just stupid.

And you call me a troll? read the quoted post before you make yourself look anymore foolish.

 

[John Funk]

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Meanwhile, I'm just sitting here thinking: "Can John Funk really not take a stance against Blizzard on anything?".

Of course the statement was wrong, lots of great characters absolutely did not die after having achieved nothing since their last appearances to a crew of adventurers guided by quest givers. Of course all of the villains had an influence (read: did something) in the universe before falling over to said adventurers. Of course lots of great new characters were introduced. Of course they have the writers to provide a story that could capitalize on whatever there is to do in a hypothetical WC4, as witnessed by all the recent brilliant writing they've been doing lately. Of course.

How wrong I was to not see the excellence of WoW's storytelling and such.

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You quoted nothing. Even if you had, it wouldn't change what you've said, that basically, the world does not need any more RTS games.

Of course I can, and have in the past. You just seem like you have a really petty grudge that I don't really get.

The writing in WoW is as good as Blizzard's writing has ever been in WC2 and WC3, which is... not that great. Chris Metzen has ALWAYS been cheesy as hell.

And the necessities of gameplay don't write the plot. Do you really think the "canon" death of Arthas is going to be "and then 25 adventures tanked him in the middle of the platform?" No, of course not, just like how Kel'thuzad didn't die (the first time) because you overwhelmed him with a flood of Footmen that you constructed at your Barracks. Or how Grom Hellscream wasn't brought down from his demon bloodlust because you were really good at kiting him with your Raiders.

Whether or not you LIKE the new lore doesn't change the fact that they've been progressing it and introducing new characters and situations that were never heard of in previous warcraft games... just like they did in WC3 to WC2. Garrosh, Varian, the Grimtotems, Staghelm, the Van Cleefs, Genn Graymane - these are all characters who are now important to the story and lore going forward. They didn't exist before WoW, just like Jaina, Arthas and Thrall didn't exist before WC3.

Show me where I called the writing brilliant, or the new characters great? Some of them are interesting (and made more so in the books), but as far as I'm concerned it's really just par from the course. If anything, I think you're very much overestimating the characters/writing in WC3. Have you played it recently? It's just as cliche as anything in SC2 (and probably more cliche than some of the WoW quest text, which is genuinely funny at times - see the Goblin starting zone). "I have... freed myself." "No, old friend. You've freed us all." My friend who'd never seen the game before said that line along with Thrall, it was so predictable.

I expect the writing in WC4 to be as good as the writing was in WC2, WC3, and WoW. Cheesy, yet enjoyable. You're seeing a decline where there actually isn't any.