Todd Howard called out for blowing off PS3 owners.

[Quaidis]

You are forgetting one factor, the consumer. We don't have to buy a game at launch. We can wait weeks, months or even years to buy a game after launch. And the longer we wait the more likely we will find it cheaper (with the exception of a few games). So if the companies force us into buying broken games for more than the fixed version a month down the line sooner or later more consumers will buy it from the bargain bin than the new release shelf.

I don't see why they can't overshoot the release date. It seems stupid to announce this game will be released this day and try to make the game fit into that schedule. Either make the release date a month or two later than the actual company deadline to account for a glitch and patch it before release or say "yes we are making it" and when it is close to completion then announce a release date. I have also never met a person who boycotted an anticipated game because of some unforseen delay.

I'm not forgetting anything, I'm trying to tell you how this sort of thing works. If you want them to change how they work contracts and deals, then by all means contact Microsoft and Sony and tell them this. The fact of the matter is that a contract to make a game under a quota of time is made before the game is started; they aren't as open and free as you think they are. You don't sign a contract to write a book by December and then at the end of it go, "Whoops, I guess we can't do it on time." They expect you to finish it by December. When game release dates are pushed, it usually means that the contract was extended by very nice and tolerance publishers, but most of the times after the contract has ended, the game developers no longer get funded on the project and either have to clean up and give the publisher what they did in the time of the contract or take money from their own pockets to finish it completely.

Edit - as for if people buying games on time, it all depends on that person. While you may get sick of bugs, others are hugging the excitement of release and getting it immediately. If one game developing group continually releases games that are buggy, then that is the fault of them specifically. They need to aim lower.

 

[Jumplion]

The only excuse they have for this is that MicroSoft payed them, I'm tired of the age old argument that "The PS3 is not selling well!" and "The Ps3 is hard to work for!" and the ever important "The Ps3 is not selling as well and is hard to develop for and it would be expensive and it would be pointless and....." Bullshit on that.

Have you seen the rather amusing explanation for why there won't be any PS3 DLC for Tomb Raider?

Eidos: Microsoft asked us how we could extend the fantastic Tomb Raider: Underworld gameplay experience, exclusively, for their thriving Xbox Live community and these two new downloadable chapters were the result.

lol, how good of Microsoft to "ask" them.

"ask" with a little compensation for their effort.

Are you really going to start up an argument from the first post I posted here? Come on now, you're better than that.

 

[The Wooster]

At first I was astounded that one man managed to perform oral sex on every PS3 user. Then I remembered there's only 8 of us.

Also I love the idea that Sony doesn't pay for it's exclusives. Every company pays for exclusives (with the exception of the Wii where the majority of the decent exclusives are done in-house) the reason we PS3 owners aren't getting DLC is, yes, because game devs/publishers are a bunch of mercenaries, but also because Sony won't pay for the content. The irony is, the only way to encourage Sony to spend the money on exclusive DLC is not to buy the game on the PS3 until they do. Ho ho.

 

[stiver]

I would totally be down to support Ps3 owners, up until I read the aneurysm inducing line "Did Microsoft offer you money, for any given purpose".

 

[squid5580]

You are forgetting one factor, the consumer. We don't have to buy a game at launch. We can wait weeks, months or even years to buy a game after launch. And the longer we wait the more likely we will find it cheaper (with the exception of a few games). So if the companies force us into buying broken games for more than the fixed version a month down the line sooner or later more consumers will buy it from the bargain bin than the new release shelf.

I don't see why they can't overshoot the release date. It seems stupid to announce this game will be released this day and try to make the game fit into that schedule. Either make the release date a month or two later than the actual company deadline to account for a glitch and patch it before release or say "yes we are making it" and when it is close to completion then announce a release date. I have also never met a person who boycotted an anticipated game because of some unforseen delay.

I'm not forgetting anything, I'm trying to tell you how this sort of thing works. If you want them to change how they work contracts and deals, then by all means contact Microsoft and Sony and tell them this. The fact of the matter is that a contract to make a game under a quota of time is made before the game is started; they aren't as open and free as you think they are. You don't sign a contract to write a book by December and then at the end of it go, "Whoops, I guess we can't do it on time." They expect you to finish it by December. When game release dates are pushed, it usually means that the contract was extended by very nice and tolerance publishers, but most of the times after the contract has ended, the game developers no longer get funded on the project and either have to clean up and give the publisher what they did in the time of the contract or take money from their own pockets to finish it completely.

Edit - as for if people buying games on time, it all depends on that person. While you may get sick of bugs, others are hugging the excitement of release and getting it immediately. If one game developing group continually releases games that are buggy, then that is the fault of them specifically. They need to aim lower.

I don't need to write letters that will never be read to these huge companies. I have something a little more powerful. I have a wallet and that is how I show them my dissatisfaction. The more they jerk us around the more people will speak up with it. I don't understand how you wouldn't allow any other industry get away with giving you a half finished product but when it comes to games it is OK.

 

[Jumplion]

Are you really going to start up an argument from the first post I posted here? Come on now, you're better than that.

I'm agreeing with you. I just posted that Tomb Raider thing because I thought it was relevant, re: the fallacy that developers make exclusive X360 content because they're in love with Microsoft, and not because they were offered a healthy sum of money. It's quite clear from Eidos' comical wording that they were given a huge sack of cash by Gates & Co. That's why I put "ask" in inverted commas, to suggest it was nothing more than a euphemism for "bribed".

I'll try to be clearer next time!

Oh, I'm really sorry, I've been misreading comments left and right. Probably 'cause of my Flu. But I have no real problem with MS buying exclusivity rights, it's a business strategy and that's perfectly understandable.

 

[Laughing Man]

You know why MS uses the Points system, right? To cater to international customers. No matter where you're located, the Operation: Anchorage pack will always cost 800 MS points. In America, 800 points == $10 USD. In Europe, it can be Euro equivalent of $10USD. Rather than having to go and set prices for each region and currency, they can just adjust the points/currency rate per region, a far more sensible idea.

Sorry if Valve and Sony can manage to adjust their prices depending on the sales region then I would imagine one of the richest companies in the world could do that as well. Of course displaying things in the the price they actually cost means that people would only pay the price of the item rather than pay the price of the item + some useless points they may never ever use.

 

[Rath709]

The only issue I have with the MS points system, and also LIVE subscriptions, is that the prices weren't adjusted for the VAT change in the UK recently. While I manage to get both at significant discount from my place of work anyway, the more general populace does not and is forced to pay the same price now as was present before the reduction. And since everything in the UK is ridiculously overpriced thanks to the shambles of an economy we are saddled with, I suppose the PS3s' free online service could look increasingly enticing toward some.

 

[electric discordian]

Gaming site GameGazette.net has called out Todd Howard for blowing off all the PS3 owners:

Oh, I really hope you're not English, or you'd be in hysterics by now.

Quick hint: You've just implied he is engaging in oral fornication.

Im glad so glad Im not the only one who thought that! tee hee hee! It is however one way of getting them back on his side after the lack of DLC for Fallout 3!

 

[MrGFunk]

Gaming site GameGazette.net has called out Todd Howard for blowing off all the PS3 owners

Wait wait wait...So if I buy a PS3 I get blown off!? Sign me up!

Can I get a substitute, don't want Todd doing it.

Miyamoto?

Now we're talking.

 

[Jumplion]

Gaming site GameGazette.net has called out Todd Howard for blowing off all the PS3 owners

Wait wait wait...So if I buy a PS3 I get blown off!? Sign me up!

Can I get a substitute, don't want Todd doing it.

Miyamoto?

Now we're talking.

He's too godly to suck you dick. How 'bout.....Ted Prince the head of Insomniac? We're having a special on 2nd party companies today, so CliffyB is at half price!

Wow, we need more women in gaming....

 

[GonzoGamer]

If what harhol says about the PS3 version's stability is true, then dang, I feel sorry for the XBox and PC crowd.. the extra content might make for a more frustrating experience than having the game end where it did.

Don't get me wrong, the PS3 version isn't perfect - it's crashed about half a dozen times in the ~50 hours I've played. I'd imagine the X360 version has a similar record. The PC version crashes about once per hour though, if not more. Very frustrating.

Wow the PC version is worse?! An hour is hardly time to do anything in Fallout 3.

That's too bad, I was hoping to eventually get the PC version used; just for the crazy mods and GECK creations that I'm sure will be plentiful over the coming year.

Well at least they said they're still going to fix the PC version (eventually), it's just the PS3 version that they said will receive no further support/stuck with its freezing problem; which wouldn't even bother me That much if they didn't first patch the relatively benign yet trippy glitches. I can deal with the mindblowing Matrix moments, it's the powering off my frozen PS3 that pisses me off.

 

[GonzoGamer]

Gaming site GameGazette.net has called out Todd Howard for blowing off all the PS3 owners

Wait wait wait...So if I buy a PS3 I get blown off!? Sign me up!

Can I get a substitute, don't want Todd doing it.

Miyamoto?

Now we're talking.

He's too godly to suck you dick. How 'bout.....Ted Prince the head of Insomniac? We're having a special on 2nd party companies today, so CliffyB is at half price!

Wow, we need more women in gaming....

I think we have a new poll brewing.

 

[Haddi]

Who cares? They're just filthy, filthy console tards.
LONG LIVE THE PC GAMING MASTER RACE

On a serious note, though, I, while not at all affected by his decision, am curious as to why he chose it.

What the- Them's fighting words. PREPARE FOR FISTICUFFS GOOD SIRRAH.


I think that, there's no real reason for not patching the PS3 version other than time and money needed for it. They may just have plans for it later though.

 

[Mister Ash]

call me crazy if you want to, but a simple comment to the people who think us PS3 owners want free stuff.. if the DLC was on the PSN and cost £9.99. or, say... the cost of 800MS points, I'd buy the DLC, because I want to play more Fallout... hell, i don't think there's a place, encounter or person i havn't been to/watched/met/shot/bartered with in any of the games.


I just want a reason (other than 'big lump of cash' ), as to why we're being left in the cold.. (or, warm, seeing as we can't go to Alaska...)

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

Todd Howard: "I like eggs."

 

[NAL]

Hm, I was planning on buying this game sometime soon for PS3. I won't be now though - I'm okay with something like GTAIV releasing exclusive content only on X360 if they were paid to, but this is rather a big "F you" to anyone with the PS3. Besides, one of the good things about Oblivion was to get rid of the stupid gates quickly with the main quest then hunt for new places and missions.