Todd Howard, Skyrim Dev, thinks COD is 'hardcore'.

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Lt. Vinciti said:
You really hate both Bethesda and Skyrim dont you?
What o,o

no...

I'm buying a new PC especially for Skyrim, why would you say that lol. I am keeping on top of the news and interviews and considering the the 'hardcore' issue and both COD and TES being a highly debated subject around here I thought people would be interested in this.

I actually like Todd Howard a lot I think he shows a lot of enthusiasm and affection when discussing his games.
 

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ChupathingyX said:
Hmmm, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future the Elder Scrolls series becomes mianly action with "RPG elements".

Bethesda games never did have much choice in them anyway since Todd came around, seriously what choice and consequence is there in Oblivion?

You can join every available faction, the main story is linear, you can use every armour with grind, every weapon with grind and become good at any spell school with grind.
As opposed to Daggerfall, where you could do all that if you know how to hit a dollar sign.

Does this mean that Morrowind was bad because you couldn't customize your own race?
 

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Hal10k said:
Todd was actually the head guy behind Morrowind, which subverts many of the thgings you just said. I wouldn't dismiss him out of hand.
Yeah I should've worded that better, Morrowind had some choice and much more than Oblivion but still didn't have a lot of choice, Oblivion was just a better example of Betehsda games getting less and less choice.

DracoSuave said:
As opposed to Daggerfall, where you could do all that if you know how to hit a dollar sign.

Does this mean that Morrowind was bad because you couldn't customize your own race?
Yeah I haven't actually played Daggerfall so I don't know much about it.

wait, but you can chose your race in Morrowind? Or are you referring to actually changing the face? I never said Morrowind was a glorious RPG compared to Oblivion, it still had its fair share of problems, Oblivion is just a better example when it comes to role-playing options.
 

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This doesn't look good, not good at all.
I understand lazy people take CoD as hardcore because that is all the effort they really want to put in, but a game dev should really have more perspective then that.

I hope there are some smarter people over viewing this or it will end in another Mass Effect
 

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Cobalt180 said:
I'd somewhat against COD for personal reasons, but I'll say that because I have never played a COD game, I don't know all the intrinsic parts and details.
I'm sorry what? You're against Call of Duty for "personal" reasons... Yet you've never played a Call of Duty game?
 

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DustyDrB said:
Wow. People in this thread are actually angry about this. I don't even play Call of Duty and...well, I feel nothing about this.
You and I both. It's just his opinion after all, yet after reading this thread, it sounds like he somehow reached through a computer screen and slapped the faces of some of the posters in here by saying that.

There's absolutly nothing wrong with streamlining either. It only means making things easier to understand, and when was that any harm to gaming? Last I recall, Oblivion had a lot more depth to gameplay then Morrowind did, yet that was more streamlined.
 

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AgentBJ09 said:
DustyDrB said:
Wow. People in this thread are actually angry about this. I don't even play Call of Duty and...well, I feel nothing about this.
You and I both. It's just his opinion after all, yet after reading this, it sounds like he somehow reached through a computer screen and slapped the faces of some of the posters in here by saying that.

There's absolutly nothing wrong with streamlining. It only means making things easier to understand, and when was that any harm to gaming? Last I recall, Oblivion had a lot more depth to gameplay then Morrowind did, yet that was more streamlined.
Because all of a sudden having a map marker and fast travel into the game makes the whole experience of the game less satisfying apparently. (seriously their were people that wanted to instead look at the journal every 10 sec to keep remembering where to go and who to talk too with no kind of direction assistance instead of help from a map marker that applies to basically every single game.)
 

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Thaius said:
Secondly, he's not saying, "We want to make Skyrim like a fantasy Call of Duty!" He's saying that the RPG elements in Call of Duty's multiplayer means there is an audience outside of the core gamers for this type of game, and they want to capitalize on that. All it means is that there are people out there who perhaps wouldn't profess to be interested in a gigantic RPG like this one, but might be anyway.
that's the general drift I got as well.

although the degree to which CoD is purportedly hardcore is nothing compared to hardcore-ness of the elder scrolls series.
 

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ChromeAlchemist said:
If CoD is hardcore, what the fuck is Counter Strike?
Also hardcore? It's just different ways of doing things. Why do gamers have to act like old-school nobility stuck on a public transit with peasants?
 

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As far as I'm aware it's:
-Hardcore: games that usually fill some sort of niche with a higher than normal learning curve, and challenge
-Mainstream: Games made for mass appeal, usually not as challenging or hard to learn to get as many people into it as possible.
-Casual: Games like peggle, bejeweled, farmville, Wii, etc. Games anyone can play.

So COD would fall under "Mainstream"; not something your mom would play, but it's not exactly demanding in regards to gamepla either. It's definately made for mass-appeal through story and visuals. I Think someone used the term "shooting gallery" which isn't exactly a bad thing.
 

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bussinrounds said:
Hal10k said:
ChupathingyX said:
Hmmm, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future the Elder Scrolls series becomes mianly action with "RPG elements".

Bethesda games never did have much choice in them anyway since Todd came around, seriously what choice and consequence is there in Oblivion?

You can join every available faction, the main story is linear, you can use every armour with grind, every weapon with grind and become good at any spell school with grind.
Todd was actually the head guy behind Morrowind, which subverts many of the thgings you just said. I wouldn't dismiss him out of hand.
Well, times have changed.

By bussinrounds [http://profile.imageshack.us/user/bussinrounds] at 2011-06-18
Times have changed indeed, and for the better too.
 

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A few points, in terms of choice Elder Scrolls games have incredible amounts of choice. The player really gets to define their playing style, equipment, dialog, and morality. Additionally you could create 2 identical characters and give them to 2 different players and by after say 10 hours of game play there would already be incredible differentiation between them, based on what those individual players emphasized.

A lot of the anger on this thread could've been avoided simply by reading the article. Tom specifically talks about not focusing on "accessibility" but on making the experience less confusing whether you had played Elder Scrolls before or not. One of Oblivion's main weaknesses is that if tried to create a character without any real idea on how you were going to play, you were screwed. You simply had to start over, which meant that you had to agonize on every little detail during character creation. In comparison if you look at COD, you simply start playing multiplayer and pick perks, weapons, and weapon modifications as you go, and if you find something is less useful than you hoped, it isn't a big deal.

Given that COD is the most successful game out there, not looking at what its doing well would be foolish. Imagine a car company that had heard about vehicles with good gas mileage but said "NO! Our customers only care about horsepower. Now, where are those blueprints for the V20's?"
 

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I feel like every time something is released regarding Skyrim, an ugly picture just became a little more focused. It could still be my imagination incorrectly filling in the gaps, but the more I hear, the less the blurry circle in the middle of this picture looks like a majestic galaxy and a lot more like Goatse.