Tokyo Olympics Chief Says Women Talk Too Much At Meetings

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I imagine there’s a certain level of efficiency in a Japanese business and government meetings that when compared to the legendary waffle marathons of their counterparts in the west, even basic small talk is probably going to be seen as talking too much. Still, Jesus dude, if whatever your female colleagues do at meetings is bothersome then attending any meeting I’ve had the displeasure of attending in the past decade and a half would have you reaching for a gun.
I liked the meetings run by my old head of school. He allowed about 10 seconds of digression before would he shut it down, and anyone who waffled he'd gently interject that they should get to the point. I have tried to adopt as my own model when I chair meetings.
 
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When you're told constantly that your own culture ("The west") is literally founded on a culture of rape, I don't really see why this guy's comments are enough to give any of us any ground to complain about Japan compared to our own countries.
I would say that western rape culture is just one small part of a larger, world rape culture. The rape culture may differ between countries and regions, based customs, traditions, and heritage, but they're all predicated on rape. I mean, does it really make a difference if England prefers doggy style, and japan prefers missionary? Not at all, because you're ignoring the thing that matters, the rape itself. It all goes back to when out ancestors were monkeys, raping each other in trees and bushes. Rape is literally ingrained in our species DNA due to evolution, as a way to continue the species. It formed over millions of years. Getting rid of it will take more then a few years. In this regard, I think it's important to criticize rape culture wherever it may occur.
 

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I would say that western rape culture is just one small part of a larger, world rape culture. The rape culture may differ between countries and regions, based customs, traditions, and heritage, but they're all predicated on rape. I mean, does it really make a difference if England prefers doggy style, and japan prefers missionary? Not at all, because you're ignoring the thing that matters, the rape itself. It all goes back to when out ancestors were monkeys, raping each other in trees and bushes. Rape is literally ingrained in our species DNA due to evolution, as a way to continue the species. It formed over millions of years. Getting rid of it will take more then a few years. In this regard, I think it's important to criticize rape culture wherever it may occur.
To be fair not just us primates. Rape as a way to breed is basically everywhere in the animal kingdom. Mammals, fish, bugs, fucking birds. Ducks are basically all sex offenders. I remember reading something like over half of all insect mating isn't consensual, and more than a bit is male on male because they're not really smart enough to tell the difference.
 
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I suppose I can't disagree with that.

I would say that western rape culture is just one small part of a larger, world rape culture. The rape culture may differ between countries and regions, based customs, traditions, and heritage, but they're all predicated on rape. I mean, does it really make a difference if England prefers doggy style, and japan prefers missionary? Not at all, because you're ignoring the thing that matters, the rape itself. It all goes back to when out ancestors were monkeys, raping each other in trees and bushes. Rape is literally ingrained in our species DNA due to evolution, as a way to continue the species. It formed over millions of years. Getting rid of it will take more then a few years. In this regard, I think it's important to criticize rape culture wherever it may occur.
I don't believe in "rape culture" just fyi, at least not as people define it to supposedly exist in countries that have laws against it and in which a quite large amount of the men in it would murder a man who's raped a woman.
 
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I don't believe in "rape culture" just fyi, at least not as people define it to supposedly exist in countries that have laws against it and in which a quite large amount of the men in it would murder a man who's raped a woman.
If rape even exists as a concept in people's minds then a rape culture exists as well. Sure enough we have laws against rape specifically, and so some form of rape culture exists no matter what. In my mind it's more about who gets to qualify it. And by 'it' I mean all the reactions, descriptions, opinions, and politics about rape. Also I sympathize with the apathy: it's mostly a meaningless term that gets thrown around when people get emotional. If everything is rape culture then nothing is and so on.
 

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I suppose I can't disagree with that.



I don't believe in "rape culture" just fyi, at least not as people define it to supposedly exist in countries that have laws against it and in which a quite large amount of the men in it would murder a man who's raped a woman.
Or vote for them.
 

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There's a allot wrong with Japanese work culture, I have heard you need to work so much that your sleeping at your desk, and in the subway. It's insane. Granted I think we should have more remote work, and more 32-35 hour workweeks, but the term work smarter not harder literally doesn't apply to them.

Granted they make great products and have a flourishing democracy, and even better food, but they need to work less, and enjoy life more.
 

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and in which a quite large amount of the men in it would murder a man who's raped a woman.
In theory, yes, in practice this doesn't happen nearly that often. People tend to have this weird idea of a rapist as an obvious subhuman monster (preferably of one of "those" ethnicities) that attacks an innocent (whatever that means to them) woman in a back alley.

Taking Steubenville as an example (in that it happens to have a distinctive and memorable name, not that it was unusual) the community (and much of the media) rallied behind the rapists against the victim. Now, if you'd asked them what they thought of rapists before this happened, I daresay most of them (possibly including the rapists themselves) would have said it was a terrible crime, and they'd not be unlikely to say they'd murder a rapist. Most likely, they wouldn't be lying, they'd absolutely believe that in the vague hypothetical, just that when it actually happened, things were different.
 

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Granted they make great products and have a flourishing democracy, and even better food, but they need to work less, and enjoy life more.
I mean flourishing democracy as long as you're part of the straight male elite. They're still not great on women, or gays, or trans, or non-Japanese. Traditional Japanese culture is one of the most Xenophobic cultures out there. They're happy to have you visit and spend money as a tourist, but don't you dare try to move there or think you're better than a walking ATM for them.
 

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I suppose I can't disagree with that.



I don't believe in "rape culture" just fyi, at least not as people define it to supposedly exist in countries that have laws against it and in which a quite large amount of the men in it would murder a man who's raped a woman.
I'm not sure how you can say it doesn't exist, when it's hardwired into peoples DNA. Japan is so uniquely horrible that they have to segregate men and women on the train into separate cars, so that they can travel down the street safely. When women can barely go outside for fear of sexual assault, something has gone very wrong. Gender segregated bullet trains are the type of thing I would expect to hear about in the congo, not in a developed nation.

You want an example of rape culture? This conversation, right now, is an example. Arguing that rape culture doesn't exist is, itself, rape culture.
 

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You want an example of rape culture? This conversation, right now, is an example. Arguing that rape culture doesn't exist is, itself, rape culture.
Is there any purpose at all in this line? "That thing you don't believe in is your fault" isn't the heavy hitting intellectual argument you think it is.
 
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Japan is so uniquely horrible that they have to segregate men and women on the train into separate cars, so that they can travel down the street safely.
Excuse me for being meticulous, but weren't practically the same measures introduced in India, out of necessity?
 

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Excuse me for being meticulous, but weren't practically the same measures introduced in India, out of necessity?
India is a developed country nowadays?

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I am reminded of the studies that have been conducted in classrooms where researchers studied how much either gender talked during a class. If it got even close to a 50/50 split both boys and girls felt that the girls had talked a lot more then the boys. In similar studies where the researchers made sure to give both genders equal time to talk in discussion settings, most participants felt they favored women.
Hah, "studies"! Everyone knows that not only do women talk too much they do it at the wrong time, in the wrong tone, making the wrong face, saying the wrong things, at the wrong person, too loud or too quiet, and when you point it out they start crying.

Japan is so uniquely horrible that they have to segregate men and women on the train into separate cars, so that they can travel down the street safely.
While Gropeyo is the prime example of this, I bet if other countries had a similar rush hour in public transportation they'd have this problem too. Even here it becomes a thing every time there is some event or situation that fills the trains.
 

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Is there any purpose at all in this line? "That thing you don't believe in is your fault" isn't the heavy hitting intellectual argument you think it is.
Why not? This comment shows that you're part of it too. Rape culture isn't the mostly the result of concious choices, but subliminal biases on a mass level.

Excuse me for being meticulous, but weren't practically the same measures introduced in India, out of necessity?
Yes, India is another country with massive sexual assault cases. A nation where the victim is often blamed in the place of the perpetrator. Thank you.

Hah, "studies"! Everyone knows that not only do women talk too much they do it at the wrong time, in the wrong tone, making the wrong face, saying the wrong things, at the wrong person, too loud or too quiet, and when you point it out they start crying.

While Gropeyo is the prime example of this, I bet if other countries had a similar rush hour in public transportation they'd have this problem too. Even here it becomes a thing every time there is some event or situation that fills the trains.
It doesn't really surprise me that this is a probkem world wide. I just think that japan is uniquely awful in this regard, due to their cultures view of women. I bet someone could make a fortune on a version of uber that only caters to driving women around safely.
 

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Why not? This comment shows that you're part of it too. Rape culture isn't the mostly the result of concious choices, but subliminal biases on a mass level.
"Everyone who disagrees with me is the problem" is a mindset that's only going to drag you down personally.
 
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"Everyone who disagrees with me is the problem" is a mindset that's only going to drag you down personally.
As joe walsh would say, life's been pretty good to me so far
 

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I mean flourishing democracy as long as you're part of the straight male elite. They're still not great on women, or gays, or trans, or non-Japanese. Traditional Japanese culture is one of the most Xenophobic cultures out there. They're happy to have you visit and spend money as a tourist, but don't you dare try to move there or think you're better than a walking ATM for them.
I doubt you would want to be Japanese either given the 60, 70, 80-hour workweeks. Not to mention their school exams.