Took it too seriously, fandom

[Torkuda]

Admit it, no matter what you're a fan of, you took something about it, WAAAAY too seriously. What was it for you?

For me, one of the original Justice League cartoons seriously pissed me off. I'll admit up front I was never a huge fan of Wonder Woman as she seemed more a vehicle for feminism than an actual hero, and one of the first two parters of the series illustrated why I thought that so beautifully it ticked me off that it even existed. I have nothing against feminism either, I love Barda, super girl, Raven, Star Fire and several female heroes and I wish there were more. Yes, I really do think girls need more heroes to look up to who aren't eye candy... and as far as the whole eye candy thing goes... yea anyone who doesn't see the problem with Wonder Woman there, is being just a touche naive. I just don't like it when a hero isn't a hero first.

There is a problem on Themiscyra, we have to save the day, but oh dear, it's Wondy's place, no boys allowed. And the whole two parter revolved around how to get around the "no men" rule that Themiscyra had and still get Wonder Woman back up from other members of her team. I was screaming at my TV possible solutions to this "problem" for half a hour. "Super man and the martian are not men, they're aliens, what did you do, kick every male animal off the island too? How does that even work?" or "Where the fuck is Hawk Girl? Why the hell doesn't she count?". Or, "This is BS, no one in the league was discriminating against Wonder Woman, why is it suddenly okay for her to discriminate against them? Reverse sexism is stupid, but even if you do argue for it, there had to be something to reverse in the first place!" or even "Why can't "girl power" episodes just naturally revolve around female characters instead of artificially finding ways to ban men from showing up?".

Course after I was done with the two parter I had to say to myself "you already knew what that was going to be about like five minutes in, why did you even watch it?". I seriously had gotten pissed off at a kid's show. Why didn't I just skip to an episode I would have liked?

Anyway, any of you have a similar experience of over reacting?

 

[Queen Michael]

I absolutely loathe what kathryn Immonen did with Runaways. I liked every other writer, but she ruined it completely.

 

[piinyouri]

If Adventure Time suddenly starting being a pandering typical "kiddie show" I would be pretty upset, yah.

Call me what you will.

 

[Asita]

...OP is aware that Wonder Woman's people were the Amazons is he not? And that forbidding men from their island is in keeping with the myth from which they as characters derive?


With regards to me...let me just use Revenge of the Sith for a minute here. One of the single most annoying things to me in that movie is the whole 'died in childbirth' bit, how readily Anakin and Padme believed it, and how nobody seemed to think of the very simple steps to minimize that possibility. Let me put it this way: In our world, death by childbirth is overwhelmingly the result of lack of proper care (90% of maternal deaths are within developing countries where health services are lacking, the lion's share of maternal deaths are avoidable, and the maternal death rate has plummeted in the last century alone). Star Wars is a universe wherein they can put people into suspended animation for years via carbonite freezing with minimal side effects, create fully functional prosthetics capable of even feeling sensation like a real limb, have mastered the use of plasma/lasers to the extent that they can make swords out of the damn stuff, have doctors, medical droids and this nifty little miracle substance called "Bacta" which fostered tissue regeneration at an incredible rate.

With all of this as a given for the universe...are we really supposed to believe that they hadn't mastered the art of the C-Section? Or that with forewarning the characters believed that the doctors in that universe wouldn't be jumping through hoops to ensure the safety of a high profile and well-loved senator? How did Anakin think that his wife wouldn't take and have every precaution at her beck and call??? Are we really to believe that the maternity wards and doctors she'd have access to on Coruscant or Naboo are bad enough to make that seem a credible threat?

 

[Torkuda]

...OP is aware that Wonder Woman's people were the Amazons is he not? And that forbidding men from their island is in keeping with the myth from which they as characters derive?

Actually in history class we brushed the subject of the Amazons, who according to myth were uncivilized because they had no male leadership, so I'm just gonna take a stab in the dark here and say, yea, I don't think staying true to the myth was or should have been a priority. What ticked me off was that, sure cultures with stupid laws exist, even countries with sexist laws exist, hell you'd have to live under a rock to not know that. And yes, generally those laws are against women. But if it were a culture that said "no women" in X position, Wonder Woman would have rightly said "screw you, I'm saving the world!". However, Superman and the other penis havers, said "screw you we're saving the world" (yes, the baddie for that episode wanted to "take over the world", what a shock) and in the end we were supposed to see that as bad. Even when the Flash tried to point out that they did in fact save the Amazons and the world and asked would they have rather they just let everyone die, he was stared down by everyone, including the men. It would have been a stupid law if it was boys only, so it's a stupid law if it's girls only. Besides, where the hell was Hawk Girl? Last time I looked... yep, she's supposed to be a girl.

Sorry, I'm still pissed off at that episode, can you tell?

 

[FalloutJack]

No, actually. See, fanhood may be a derivitive of fanaticism, but it doesn't actually require you to obsess to like whatever it is you like. That's why I was never called a geek, a nerd, an otaku, or whatever else. When you go beyond the limits of good taste, people start to notice and out comes the labeling. At best, I can be considered a good fan, like being a good man. Okay, I'm evil, but you get the idea. I don't bite people's heads off for not liking Megas XLR, Heroic Age, Transformers G-1, the whole of the Fallout series, or whatever else you care to mention that I like and you don't. Really, it's no big deal. They were put on this Earth for my enjoyment and your dislike of anything I do like doesn't really matter.

 

[Tanis]

Rule34, anything.

You liked your fandom so much you created porn of it for yourself, or you paid someone to make it for you.

Just...no.

 

[Elfgore]

I don't really take fandom that seriously as I am not a member of any. But I will throw a world class hissy fit if Haganai doesn't end the way I want it to. The main character will end up with Sena. If he doesn't, I'm burning my DVDs and LNs (that is a joke). But I will be really pissed off.

Though I tend not to overreact with fandoms, I have seen some fandoms take shipping way to seriously. Fairy Tail is terrifying when it comes to shipping. I once witnessed a 100+ response debate on facebook between the NaLu and NaLi fandoms. It was the most unneeded debate I have ever seen.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Seeing as I have two videogame tattoos... Well, you can figure it out.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

There is a problem on Themiscyra, we have to save the day, but oh dear, it's Wondy's place, no boys allowed. And the whole two parter revolved around how to get around the "no men" rule that Themiscyra had and still get Wonder Woman back up from other members of her team. I was screaming at my TV possible solutions to this "problem" for half a hour. "Super man and the martian are not men, they're aliens, what did you do, kick every male animal off the island too? How does that even work?" or "Where the fuck is Hawk Girl? Why the hell doesn't she count?". Or, "This is BS, no one in the league was discriminating against Wonder Woman, why is it suddenly okay for her to discriminate against them? Reverse sexism is stupid, but even if you do argue for it, there had to be something to reverse in the first place!" or even "Why can't "girl power" episodes just naturally revolve around female characters instead of artificially finding ways to ban men from showing up?".

Course after I was done with the two parter I had to say to myself "you already knew what that was going to be about like five minutes in, why did you even watch it?". I seriously had gotten pissed off at a kid's show. Why didn't I just skip to an episode I would have liked?

Anyway, any of you have a similar experience of over reacting?

You speaking as if Themiscyra was some kind of club, or a women's only gym. Themiscyra is a country, with laws as set down by Queen Hippolyta the ruler of the Amazons. A law to which you'll notice Diana said 'Yeah, screw that noise' and still brought Batman and co. to the island to fix the problem AND still accept exile. An action that hurt both mother and daughter deeply but as a leader, Hippolyta doesn't have the luxury of subverting the law because this time it's her own daughter that was affected.

Plus they did a two parter prior to that, Fury (I think) with that honorary Amazon Aresia trying to kill all men with a pathogen, and she was then brought mentally undone with the knowledge (kept from her, a mistake of Hippolyta's) that were it not for the male ship captain, she would have died as a child. The whole point of that two part set was to basically point out that the philosophy of 'No Men' was stupid - but over a thousand years of tradition and insular philosophy doesn't change overnight.

Actually the Wonder Woman animated movie also did a good job of kicking the ideals in the arse too; and it ended with Diana becoming Themiscyra's ambassador to the world at large so that they may re-integrate to the rest of the modern world.

 

[Torkuda]

There is a problem on Themiscyra, we have to save the day, but oh dear, it's Wondy's place, no boys allowed. And the whole two parter revolved around how to get around the "no men" rule that Themiscyra had and still get Wonder Woman back up from other members of her team. I was screaming at my TV possible solutions to this "problem" for half a hour. "Super man and the martian are not men, they're aliens, what did you do, kick every male animal off the island too? How does that even work?" or "Where the fuck is Hawk Girl? Why the hell doesn't she count?". Or, "This is BS, no one in the league was discriminating against Wonder Woman, why is it suddenly okay for her to discriminate against them? Reverse sexism is stupid, but even if you do argue for it, there had to be something to reverse in the first place!" or even "Why can't "girl power" episodes just naturally revolve around female characters instead of artificially finding ways to ban men from showing up?".

Course after I was done with the two parter I had to say to myself "you already knew what that was going to be about like five minutes in, why did you even watch it?". I seriously had gotten pissed off at a kid's show. Why didn't I just skip to an episode I would have liked?

Anyway, any of you have a similar experience of over reacting?

You speaking as if Themiscyra was some kind of club, or a women's only gym. Themiscyra is a country, with laws as set down by Queen Hippolyta the ruler of the Amazons. A law to which you'll notice Diana said 'Yeah, screw that noise' and still brought Batman and co. to the island to fix the problem AND still accept exile. An action that hurt both mother and daughter deeply but as a leader, Hippolyta doesn't have the luxury of subverting the law because this time it's her own daughter that was affected.

Plus they did a two parter prior to that, Fury (I think) with that honorary Amazon Aresia trying to kill all men with a pathogen, and she was then brought mentally undone with the knowledge (kept from her, a mistake of Hippolyta's) that were it not for the male ship captain, she would have died as a child. The whole point of that two part set was to basically point out that the philosophy of 'No Men' was stupid - but over a thousand years of tradition and insular philosophy doesn't change overnight.

Actually the Wonder Woman animated movie also did a good job of kicking the ideals in the arse too; and it ended with Diana becoming Themiscyra's ambassador to the world at large so that they may re-integrate to the rest of the modern world.

No, Wonder Woman did not say "screw that noise" and bring the boys anyway, she told them not to come. I kinda give the movie a pass because, you're right on that one, she did say it was dumb.

And yes, to those about to point it out, I get that the whole idea probably was to say "See, you don't like it when we make women only things do you, but you make men only things all the time!". And that's why I don't like Wonder Woman. Yes, I agree, the role reversal helps prove a point, but it's still making Wonder Woman more about Diana being a woman, than her being a hero.

 

[Pink Gregory]

Rule34, anything.

You liked your fandom so much you created porn of it for yourself, or you paid someone to make it for you.

Just...no.

What is it for us to say what people can and can't find exciting?

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

There is a problem on Themiscyra, we have to save the day, but oh dear, it's Wondy's place, no boys allowed. And the whole two parter revolved around how to get around the "no men" rule that Themiscyra had and still get Wonder Woman back up from other members of her team. I was screaming at my TV possible solutions to this "problem" for half a hour. "Super man and the martian are not men, they're aliens, what did you do, kick every male animal off the island too? How does that even work?" or "Where the fuck is Hawk Girl? Why the hell doesn't she count?". Or, "This is BS, no one in the league was discriminating against Wonder Woman, why is it suddenly okay for her to discriminate against them? Reverse sexism is stupid, but even if you do argue for it, there had to be something to reverse in the first place!" or even "Why can't "girl power" episodes just naturally revolve around female characters instead of artificially finding ways to ban men from showing up?".

Course after I was done with the two parter I had to say to myself "you already knew what that was going to be about like five minutes in, why did you even watch it?". I seriously had gotten pissed off at a kid's show. Why didn't I just skip to an episode I would have liked?

Anyway, any of you have a similar experience of over reacting?

You speaking as if Themiscyra was some kind of club, or a women's only gym. Themiscyra is a country, with laws as set down by Queen Hippolyta the ruler of the Amazons. A law to which you'll notice Diana said 'Yeah, screw that noise' and still brought Batman and co. to the island to fix the problem AND still accept exile. An action that hurt both mother and daughter deeply but as a leader, Hippolyta doesn't have the luxury of subverting the law because this time it's her own daughter that was affected.

Plus they did a two parter prior to that, Fury (I think) with that honorary Amazon Aresia trying to kill all men with a pathogen, and she was then brought mentally undone with the knowledge (kept from her, a mistake of Hippolyta's) that were it not for the male ship captain, she would have died as a child. The whole point of that two part set was to basically point out that the philosophy of 'No Men' was stupid - but over a thousand years of tradition and insular philosophy doesn't change overnight.

Actually the Wonder Woman animated movie also did a good job of kicking the ideals in the arse too; and it ended with Diana becoming Themiscyra's ambassador to the world at large so that they may re-integrate to the rest of the modern world.

No, Wonder Woman did not say "screw that noise" and bring the boys anyway, she told them not to come. I kinda give the movie a pass because, you're right on that one, she did say it was dumb.

And yes, to those about to point it out, I get that the whole idea probably was to say "See, you don't like it when we make women only things do you, but you make men only things all the time!". And that's why I don't like Wonder Woman. Yes, I agree, the role reversal helps prove a point, but it's still making Wonder Woman more about Diana being a woman, than her being a hero.

You're right, my bad on that episode - been a while since I watched JLU. As for Wonder Woman herself; it's true she was created as a reactionary figure to the male dominated comics industry of the 40's (as well as a sly way for William Moulton Marsten to get bondage into the public eye without being arrested); thing was, back in 1941, the idea of a female hero even remotely near as strong as Superman was enough. Unfortunately, and I say this as a HUGE fan of Diana, a lot of her future writers kind of dropped the ball as to how to advance or evolve her. I'm no writer so I don't want this to look like I'm soapboxing a 'I can do it better than you, I just don't want to' or something like that but I feel that embracing the fact that she was created from clay and given life and her powers by the Greek goddesses (FUCK NEW52!) and brought up in a society consisting only of immortal women is compelling enough to start with even if you minimise the politics.

 

[Hero of Lime]

I hated that Link was right handed in the Wii version of Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword mainly because I am left handed myself. I vastly prefer the Gamecube version of Twilight Princess because he is still left handed in that version, though I think the consensus is that the Gamecube version is the better version anyway.

However now that Link seems to be left handed again in every new and upcoming game,(Link Between Worlds, Hyrule Warriors, Smash Bros. U) I think that old Zelda tradition is here to stay!

Oddly enough, it turns out it irked a lot of other Zelda fans too, even a bunch of right handed fans thought a right handed Link looked wrong.

 

[Church185]

I take Demon's/Dark Souls way too seriously. You'll generally see me defending it's design decisions to the death in any article or thread that it gets brought up in.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

Star Wars. Not even related to any of the prequel film bullshit or Lucas's constant revisions.

It's just the direction that Star Wars has gone after New Jedi Order.
What Lucasarts did to games.
The fact that they retconned the entire period of time between episode II and III.

Also Halo, albeit less so.

 

[Something Amyss]

...OP is aware that Wonder Woman's people were the Amazons is he not? And that forbidding men from their island is in keeping with the myth from which they as characters derive?

Wasn't that added later? I thought she originated as a kinky shrink's wet dream who punched out Nazis.

 

[Casual Shinji]

I guess you could say I take Berserk too seriously, seeing my utter distain for the Berserk armour and how it totally ruins Guts as a character. As well as the author demolishing the best female character in the story. And no, I don't mean Caska.

I also take NGE too serious, but I'm sure many people are already aware of that. [sub]Fuck you, Rebuilds!!![/sub]