top 10 arguments I disagree with
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When it comes to the silent protagonist, it really depends on how well the writers of the game do their jobs.
The good:
Jedi Knight 2
Kyle Katarn has a very distinct personality but he is very likeable. Most of all he doesn't really impose his own morals on the player but just makes funny remarks and lets the player decide what his actual motives would be.
Prey
It is done well because the story is so simple. The guy just wants to see his girlfriend again, and doesn't have the interest in the old Indian folklore. His decisions are very easy to follow, since we've been seeing this motive since the first Mario Bros.
The bad:
Some parts of The Nameless Mod (a Deus Ex total conversion)
Now don't get me wrong, I LOVED TNM but some parts bothered me. I joined up with the corporation faction instead of the "police" faction, for the reason that I wanted some form of freedom without being someones puppet. I had a goal where I had to look for a moderator of the server, and after I found him my character held up an entire story about how he hated the "police" faction. I did not join the corporation for this reason! I did not hate the police, I just wanted the freedom and look at the case from a relatively neutral stance.
I can give some more examples but the main point is: a talking character is ok as long as he doesn't justify his reasons.
The good:
Jedi Knight 2
Kyle Katarn has a very distinct personality but he is very likeable. Most of all he doesn't really impose his own morals on the player but just makes funny remarks and lets the player decide what his actual motives would be.
Prey
It is done well because the story is so simple. The guy just wants to see his girlfriend again, and doesn't have the interest in the old Indian folklore. His decisions are very easy to follow, since we've been seeing this motive since the first Mario Bros.
The bad:
Some parts of The Nameless Mod (a Deus Ex total conversion)
Now don't get me wrong, I LOVED TNM but some parts bothered me. I joined up with the corporation faction instead of the "police" faction, for the reason that I wanted some form of freedom without being someones puppet. I had a goal where I had to look for a moderator of the server, and after I found him my character held up an entire story about how he hated the "police" faction. I did not join the corporation for this reason! I did not hate the police, I just wanted the freedom and look at the case from a relatively neutral stance.
I can give some more examples but the main point is: a talking character is ok as long as he doesn't justify his reasons.
interesting pointJezebelinHell said:
I will say that I was misunderstood there
I didnt think it was stupid because somone elses opinion was different than mine, I was talking about a stupid argument people have come up with as in:
"I dont want games to be considered art, then all games will be pretentious artsy games[/B] "
now really that just makes no sense
I guess we're in agreement there, in more advanced civilisations, the use of Religion as a moral compass is increasingly redundant as morals must change to fit new social circumstances. However Religion will probably always be necessary from a existential point of view, but that's more in terms of the individual than from a collective perspective.GHudston said:
Yea, PC gaming is not dying, its just a smaller market than Console gaming. Which hardly means it's dying.
10. Well PC gaming is changing atleast. Since people really don't need a big bulky PC in their homes anymore so justifying that expense only for gaming is troublesome.Vault101 said:
It's even questionable if a laptop is needed anymore (depending on your computer needs)
9. *THERE BE SPOILERS HERE* I really liked Fallout 3. I cared about the main character and his dad. I even skipped most of the side quests and focused on the main story because I felt an urgency to save his dad (and I thought I could go back and do the quests afterwards anyway). In the end I could have won the last encounter with conversation and let the bad guy go but no I reacted purely on emotion and thought to myself "You killed my dad and I'm gonna take you down!" and shot him in the face. After that I sacrificed myself to stop the radioation poluting the water and died. And I can't bring myself to replay the game. The story is told, this is what happened. That's what I call immersion. And as someone else pointed out the franchise was dead up to that point so I don't see what the issue is.
8. When I play a RPG I want to ROLEPLAY. Play the role as a character. Not dick around in an inventory and spend obscene amounts of time customizing 6 diffrent characters weapons and armour. So in Mass Effect it was a relief that the inventory as such didn't really matter.
What I still have a problem with in Mass Effect is that even if I am a Super Agent in SPAAAACEEE I still have to put up with doing meaningless tasks for meaningless people to get ahead in the story.
"You want me to go and square your debt with that dude and THEN you'll give me the information I need? Hell no I'm gonna take you into an interrogation room and beat you until tell me what I want" <-- This is the Commander Shepard I would have played if the option had existed.
7. I can only agree about realism. It has it's place in some games and in others it doesn't. When I play Arma2 Operation Arrowhead it's all about the realism. If I play Duke Nukem not so much..
6. Again, I agree. Games are as much an art form as movies, books or comics. It's a medium that has the room for art and braindead entertainment and all in between.
And what I hope that more artsy games will bring to the rest of the gaming world is new ideas and perspectve. Speaking of artsy or pretentious games: http://impulsedriven.com/graveyard
5. Well everything dying is but in a much broader sense but it is a rather pointless discussion to be had
4. Depends.. sometimes a game really doesn't need a sequal. While I liked portal 2 it didn't the same appeal as portal 1. And I really don't wish to see a Portal 3.
2. Sometimes the blank character has it's place but quite often it's just lazy writing from the game developers part. The game I only can come to think of where I was bothered by the character not having a backstory or personality is fallout New vegas. It always bugged me that I didn't encounter anyone who knew me before I got shot in the head.
1. Gaming will influence the other aspects of life in some big ways I believe and hope. (See the Extra Credits videos about Gamification)
For 4 you forgot to mention that most people who pirate console games usually buy them off the people that download them. I have never seen a console pirate that did it themselves so there is that too.TestECull said:
For 6 I don't know if you are just complaining about the lean part of the boycott as there were plenty of other reasons for the boycott. The whole reason they took out lean was because the maps weren't balanced for it which was a bullshit reason. It is just as pointless as if they took out vibration because a kb and mouse can't vibrate.That guys uses lean to great effect and I found that as a first video on searching CoD 4 so you were just looking at the wrong videos. I still try to use lean in BC 2.
OT: I agree with most of those although another one I don't agree which has already been mentioned is that a good gaming PC will cost you a kidney. All you need is a tiny bit of technical expertise if you want to do it all yourself and there are plenty of websites where you can ask questions and people will assist you.
Thrice is a word through it is so nice you won't just want it once not twice but Thrice.Lukeje said:
sorry to argue coz you had some interesting points but everything does die and everything is dying, nothing lasts forever not you, me, the earth, the sun, the galaxies...Vault101 said:
rabidmidget said:
In relation to this I just had to post to the following video( jump to 1:55) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDaf0t3YSq0
Intellectual property is being stolen when you download or buy a pirated movie or game. It is "theft," though not in the same way taking a chocolate bar is, but this is why the laws were updated with the advent of the internet and user-transferable data.TestECull said:
It is a form of theft, and though it is a little unnerving when people talk about piracy like someone just stole a truck of DVDs, it's a violation of copyright laws for a reason - IP can be "stolen". Saying it isn't a kind of theft? THAT'S bullshit.
Im surprised theres somone else who actually cared about Dad in fallout 3, I will say that the original ending was pretty bad however, not only was it just so depressing, it also slaped you in the face for being good (and didnt make much sense)loukasmaki said:10. Well PC gaming is changing atleast. Since people really don't need a big bulky PC in their homes anymore so justifying that expense only for gaming is troublesome.Vault101 said:
It's even questionable if a laptop is needed anymore (depending on your computer needs)
9. *THERE BE SPOILERS HERE* I really liked Fallout 3. I cared about the main character and his dad. I even skipped most of the side quests and focused on the main story because I felt an urgency to save his dad (and I thought I could go back and do the quests afterwards anyway). In the end I could have won the last encounter with conversation and let the bad guy go but no I reacted purely on emotion and thought to myself "You killed my dad and I'm gonna take you down!" and shot him in the face. After that I sacrificed myself to stop the radioation poluting the water and died. And I can't bring myself to replay the game. The story is told, this is what happened. That's what I call immersion. And as someone else pointed out the franchise was dead up to that point so I don't see what the issue is.
8. When I play a RPG I want to ROLEPLAY. Play the role as a character. Not dick around in an inventory and spend obscene amounts of time customizing 6 diffrent characters weapons and armour. So in Mass Effect it was a relief that the inventory as such didn't really matter.
What I still have a problem with in Mass Effect is that even if I am a Super Agent in SPAAAACEEE I still have to put up with doing meaningless tasks for meaningless people to get ahead in the story.
"You want me to go and square your debt with that dude and THEN you'll give me the information I need? Hell no I'm gonna take you into an interrogation room and beat you until tell me what I want" <-- This is the Commander Shepard I would have played if the option had existed.
And what I hope that more artsy games will bring to the rest of the gaming world is new ideas and perspectve. Speaking of artsy or pretentious games: http://impulsedriven.com/graveyard
5. Well everything dying is but in a much broader sense but it is a rather pointless discussion to be had
4. Depends.. sometimes a game really doesn't need a sequal. While I liked portal 2 it didn't the same appeal as portal 1. And I really don't wish to see a Portal 3.
I would sugest playing the GOTOY edition, if not just for Broken steel (continues the main story) but also theres some good DLC there (only bad thing is theres no real "ending"...you just kinda stop playing...its a strange feeling)
as for ME its not like inventory management and sidequests are bad, they just didnt add anything to the game and losing them wasnt a bad thing
anyway I would feel fine if there wasnt a Portal 3 (wouldnt be the same without chell) Im soo glad they wraped up the story more or less (yet still leaving it somwhat ambiguious)
if there was a portal 3 anounced I wouldnt condemn it untill I played it
Er, bro, the fact that in a game you come back to life after said death due to said singular bullet IS a way that helps many live out their fantasies.Daaaah Whoosh said:
Some people get fed up with so many of the stupid people that seem to cluster in this world, and need a little help releasing their anger without making a bad decision. So, they won't go on actual shooting rampages, but at least they got to kill a few people in Gameland.
PS. I'm so effing tired right now. If this post is a mess, excuse me.
Correct conclusion, Incorrect reasoning.TestECull said:
It's the perception that PC games and Console games occupy the same space because of multiplatform releases. In the vast majority of multiplatform releases, it's the console version that gets the most attention during development; this is partly because PCs can backtrack down to consoles, performance-wise, while consoles are stuck where they are.
But mostly, it's because PC is 2nd fiddle in multiplatform launches; consoles are just a stronger market, and a more secure market for the big publishers. The only real incentive to do multiplatform publishing is to fill out the rest of the demand curve (economics talking).
Knowing this, if you see a multiplatform launch that includes PC, it will launch as a console game that happens to work on PC. This isn't supposition or interpretation; it's practical fact.
While not as popular to develop for in the mainstream, there are still PC-centric titles. On rare occasion, they get ported to consoles.
The reason your reasoning is incorrect is because these multiplatform titles still sell incredibly well on consoles; making any market adjustments or criticism from the PC gamers moot. PC gamers could stop buying these console ports tomorrow, and these games wouldn't budge an inch from their current development standards.
In short: If the developers were going to make two versions, they would make two distinct versions, but they don't, and the PC market isn't nearly strong enough to carry the weight to convince them to do so.
AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
OT: Of all the other points I see, only one really sticks out at me.
Failout 3.
I'll lay it out: I fucking hated Fallout 3. I despise that game. It's a very rare occasion where I feel cheated when I finish a game, but Fallout 3 managed it. I wouldn't even take it for free today.
Irrelevant ranting aside, I honestly feel that it didn't deserve any GOTY accolades, but to even bother arguing it is pointless; I'm not going to change anyone's mind, and unless they have the powers of time travel, they won't be able to undo my horrible experiences with the game either.
And this is coming from someone who didn't play a single minute of either of the original Fallout games before Fallout 3. So much for stereotypes, assumptions, and preconceptions, huh?
6. What is it with people and this strange concept of what art is. It?s been put on weird, pretentious, super serious face pedestal.
You want to know what art is? It?s something that exists to fill our otherwise mundane lives. It?s something that doesn?t serve a practical purpose. Art is something that is there to fill our heads with, it exists to inspire a thought and/or a feeling. Fun is a feeling, but it?s not the only feeling or the only thing that may lead us to be enthralled and entertained by something. Videogames won?t suddenly change when given the label of art; videogames as they are now are finally being considered as art.
You want to know what art is? It?s something that exists to fill our otherwise mundane lives. It?s something that doesn?t serve a practical purpose. Art is something that is there to fill our heads with, it exists to inspire a thought and/or a feeling. Fun is a feeling, but it?s not the only feeling or the only thing that may lead us to be enthralled and entertained by something. Videogames won?t suddenly change when given the label of art; videogames as they are now are finally being considered as art.
Ok just cause im bored waiting for E3 newsVault101 said:
10. PC gaming has been on its death bed longer then Aunt May...Its not goin to die.
9. Although some people may have real reasons why they did not like Fallout 3 im pretty sure the main reason is haters got to hate. People like it so to be kool in thier minds they have to trash it. Kind of like hipsters and thier damn indie bands.
8. I love some of the changes in Mass Effect 2. I wish we could add stuff to our weapons but yes I agree the mako can go to hell.
7. Depends what im in the mood for but at times I love realism. You can only see people riding big bird around so many times before you want to see dark gritty world.
6. Art is in the eye of the beholder.
5. "back in the day" bullshit
4. If done right thier amazing and you can continue the story of characters that you grown to love. Works well in books.
3. Pointless dick waveing
2. O god yes nothing worse then a mute freak with no purpose.
1. Up thier with "u mad" and "nice story bro"