top 10 arguments I disagree with

[Vault101]

because as you all know my opinion its truly special [/sarcasm]

10. PC gaming is dying....Its not dying anymore than consoles are dying, I predict interesting times in the nest couple of generations...it may not be as straight forward as "get next console" or "upgrade rig"

9. Fallout 3 was a bad game , lets just put certain plot points ASIDE for a moment, I think some people really forget what the game did incredibly well (and that was alot of things)

8. the "dumbing" down/streamlining of Mass effect was a bad thing- yeah I know I shouldnt go here, but I just did, I will go out on a limb and say ME wasnt much of a good in-depth RPG, aside form the main story arc exploring and doing sidequests really wasnt all that much fun/rewarding

or even getting items and such...all really felt like a palete swap, oh and the Mako...fuck the mako, sure arguably it could have been a bad thing for DA2..but not ME

7. "realism" is the devil, all depends on what kind of game youre going for, I think people only hate (or you know, whine about) grittyness/realism because its a trend, not because its bad in itself

6. "I dont want games to be art, games are ment to be fun!, if they are art thenthere will only be artsy games"

what?

no seriously what?

ok....FILMS are a recognised art form, yet we still have youre summer block busters, your indie films and your oscar bait peices, get my drift here? gaming realy isnt any different

I dont mean to come across as agressive but this statment strikes me as incredibly stupid (and lets not debate what IS art because that goes nowhere fast)

5. everything is dying

no it isnt

4. seaquels are bad- they can be, but often they arnt, and lets face it, you would be crying out for a seaquel for X game anyway...

3. "my platform is better"-no it isnt

2. Blank charachters are better, no they are boring and unrelatible, sure if its an RPG then thats the point, but unless your charachter is customisable or its a FPS DO NOT make them blank/silent

1. anything related to gaming is "sad"

it isnt sad if youre having fun

 

[Grabbin Keelz]

5. everything is dying

no it isnt

Ha, yea I really hate seeing this too. Maybe I should post a thread asking what ISN'T dying.

 

[Mr.Pandah]

Meh. I don't really care about any of them except for when people get on my case about playing video games instead of doing other things. It's my way of blowing off steam and having fun. If they think its lame or something...they can all go fuck themselves. (Yes, I totally just saw X-Men:First Class)

 

[Daaaah Whoosh]

7- Realism is a problem for me because if you want to get killed with one bullet, you can go out and do it yourself. Video games are meant to help us live the lives we can't live in reality.

 

[spartan231490]

5. everything is dying

no it isnt

Ha, yea I really hate seeing this too. Maybe I should post a thread asking what ISN'T dying.

Everything is dying. Everything will eventually die, it's just the nature of reality. And as that time is coming closer with every second that passes, everything is dying. you, me, earth, humanity, gaming, movies, the sun, everything.

 

[NewYork_Comedian]

Err, might want to work on that grammar a little more man.

But yeah, I agree with what your saying... I guess. Seriously, its kind of hard to read. Work on the grammar and ill get back to you.

 

[Grabbin Keelz]

5. everything is dying

no it isnt

Ha, yea I really hate seeing this too. Maybe I should post a thread asking what ISN'T dying.

Everything is dying. Everything will eventually die, it's just the nature of reality. And as that time is coming closer with every second that passes, everything is dying. you, me, earth, humanity, gaming, movies, the sun, everything.

Well then why do people point it out? Why do people point out specific things that are dying? I don't think they mean it in the same sense that you do. They just mean it's getting less and less popular.
Wanna know what ISN'T dying? Waffle House.

 

[Suarga]

6. "I dont want games to be art, games are ment to be fun!"

what?

no seriously what?

ok....FILMS are a recognised art form, yet we still have youre summer block busters, your indie films and your oscar bait peices, get my drift here? gaming realy isnt any different

I dont mean to come across as agressive but this statment strikes me as incredibly stupid (and lets not debate what IS art because that goes nowhere fast)

Well if someone wants a game to be fun and not some pretentious piece of art, that's on them. Just like you said, we still have summer blockbusters and we still have Sundance Film Festivals. Gaming is no different, games are created for different people just as any other medium.

So whats the problem? You don't like that someone else has a different view than yours?

 

[spartan231490]

5. everything is dying

no it isnt

Ha, yea I really hate seeing this too. Maybe I should post a thread asking what ISN'T dying.

Everything is dying. Everything will eventually die, it's just the nature of reality. And as that time is coming closer with every second that passes, everything is dying. you, me, earth, humanity, gaming, movies, the sun, everything.

Well then why do people point it out? Why do people point out specific things that are dying? I don't think they mean it in the same sense that you do. They just mean it's getting less and less popular.
Wanna know what ISN'T dying? Waffle House.

Yeah, I know you meant it in a different sense. I was just pointing out that little philosophical point of view. Everything is dying.

 

[Suarga]

Yeah, I know you meant it in a different sense. I was just pointing out that little philosophical point of view. Everything is dying.

I feel like someone would have to be stupid to not know that. As for what you do with that knowledge, its up to you. I could counter that argument with the fact that the universe is ever expanding, as opposed to receding into itself.

 

[Wintermoot]

10. PC gaming is dying....Its not dying anymore than consoles are dying, I predict interesting times in the nest couple of generations...it may not be as straight forward as "get next console" or "upgrade rig"

I think only people playing on consoles say that
I agree with everything (your opinion that is)

 

[Luke5515]

I disagree with 6 and 2
6.) sure there are art films, but not many people watch them because not many people enjoy them. Remember that one flower game where it's just flowers in the wind? That's a great art example, but I'd be bored shitless playing it.
2.) Just look at portal. Sometimes it's better to not soil a game with the identity of the main character where it'd be better off lacking.

 

[Zhukov]

[sub]I think you just murdered punctuation and threw the body in a ditch.[/sub]

Anyway, let's see...

10. I honestly have no idea.

9. Yeah, it did some stuff well.

8. Agreed.

7. Agreed. It works well for some things.

6. Extra agreed.

5. Ha!

4. Agreed.

3. Ugh.

2. I disagree. They can work. Although, granted, most developers can't pull it off.

1. Uh... ok. Sure.

 

[Drummie666]

9. Fallout 3 was a bad game, lets just put certain plot points ASIDE for a moment, I think some people really forget what the game did incredibly well (and that was alot of things)

I agree with (I think) everything you just said other than this.

I think that Fallout 3 was a bad game. But why that is has nothing to do with any plot point stuff. I probably can't anyway seeing as how I stopped playing it a couple hours in.

I just thought that stats were terribly balanced, almost to the point where putting points into anything but small guns was a waste, combat itself was rather dull and that the inventory system could use something of a revamp IMO.

But ignoring all that for a moment. Let's talk about the atmosphere. Or rather, the lack of such. Yes, I'm serious. Fallout 3 has absolutely no atmosphere and that is entirely due to that lack of audio. There's no music, but I could forgive that, they could pull off a wasteland tone without music. But at least add in some environmental sounds! I'd settle for some wind blowing through the jagged rocks!
Don't try saying the radio stations add some atmosphere. They don't. Because any immersion you get from the radio at first is immediately shot when you realise that the radio just has a few minute track that loops over and over again.

That's why I think it's a bad game: Lack of atmosphere and immersion.

I don't care about how good the rest of the game is. I couldn't get into it.
The way I see it is that every game is a box full of goodies, which you have to find a way into. Some games, like IMO Metroid Prime, allow you to jut hop right in a play with the goodies. Fallout 3 on the other hand is a box made of solid steel with no way in.

 

[Vault101]

6. "I dont want games to be art, games are ment to be fun!"

what?

no seriously what?

ok....FILMS are a recognised art form, yet we still have youre summer block busters, your indie films and your oscar bait peices, get my drift here? gaming realy isnt any different

I dont mean to come across as agressive but this statment strikes me as incredibly stupid (and lets not debate what IS art because that goes nowhere fast)

Well if someone wants a game to be fun and not some pretentious piece of art, that's on them. Just like you said, we still have summer blockbusters and we still have Sundance Film Festivals. Gaming is no different, games are created for different people just as any other medium.

So whats the problem? You don't like that someone else has a different view than yours?

should probably make myself more clear

I dont blame people for not liking artsy stuff (I call myself a AAA whore without a problem)

Its jsut that poeple have strange reactions to the Idea of classifying gaming as art as if all of a sudden every game becomes boring

 

[Vault101]

I disagree with 6 and 2
6.) sure there are art films, but not many people watch them because not many people enjoy them. Remember that one flower game where it's just flowers in the wind? That's a great art example, but I'd be bored shitless playing it.
2.) Just look at portal. Sometimes it's better to not soil a game with the identity of the main character where it'd be better off lacking.

damn I forgot about portal

while there are exceptions I feel that its just better not to go with a blank charachter, I mean it works for RPG's but even then it helps to have somthing to work with

 

[BreakfastMan]

I... Pretty much agree with everything you just said (except #2. Example: Gordon Freeman. Gordon talking and having a personality would have really detracted from the game IMO). Especially six. I really have never gotten that line of thinking. Though I would point out that even summer block-busters and your average, over-the-top, AAA shooter are art in there own way. See: Jim's interesting argument on the subject in an old episode of Jimquisition [http://www.youtube.com/user/DTOID#p/c/4C68FCCCD3E13304/25/GqJv68pE_cY].

 

[Imbechile]

9. Fallout 3 was a bad game, lets just put certain plot points ASIDE for a moment, I think some people really forget what the game did incredibly well (and that was alot of things)

I agree with (I think) everything you just said other than this.

I think that Fallout 3 was a bad game. But why that is has nothing to do with any plot point stuff. I probably can't anyway seeing as how I stopped playing it a couple hours in.

I just thought that stats were terribly balanced, almost to the point where putting points into anything but small guns was a waste, combat itself was rather dull and that the inventory system could use something of a revamp IMO.

But ignoring all that for a moment. Let's talk about the atmosphere. Or rather, the lack of such. Yes, I'm serious. Fallout 3 has absolutely no atmosphere and that is entirely due to that lack of audio. There's no music, but I could forgive that, they could pull off a wasteland tone without music. But at least add in some environmental sounds! I'd settle for some wind blowing through the jagged rocks!
Don't try saying the radio stations add some atmosphere. They don't. Because any immersion you get from the radio at first is immediately shot when you realise that the radio just has a few minute track that loops over and over again.

That's why I think it's a bad game: Lack of atmosphere and immersion.

I don't care about how good the rest of the game is. I couldn't get into it.
The way I see it is that every game is a box full of goodies, which you have to find a way into. Some games, like IMO Metroid Prime, allow you to jut hop right in a play with the goodies. Fallout 3 on the other hand is a box made of solid steel with no way in.

Thank you. I was about to write why I don't like F3 but thanks to you I don't.

Anyway:

10) NO it's not dying
9) What the guy I quoted said
8) Yes it was a bad thing. Instead you trying improve it they completely cut it out.
7) I don't want realism. Leave that to ArMA
6) Agreed
5) Agreed
4) No they aren't
3) Agreed
2) Strongly disagree
1) Don't understand