Torturing Mega-Hitler

[SirPlindington]

... evil incarnate.

Doesn't exist. The concept of "evil" is an invented social construct used to justify one moral standard over another.

That's not the point, though. Believe you me, I don't believe in an objective moral system in any way, shape, or form, but the idea of Mega-Hitler is that he violates most any moral system absolutely and to its fullest extent. Evil Incarnate may not exist, but keep in mind, neither does Mega-Hitler.

Yeah, lets torture people so they can tell us where his friends are, so that we can torture them too, yay! Yea, we will get reliable information in that way, veeeery quickly! Creepy thread is creepy.

Did you... read the thread? I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude and it's perfectly reasonable to assume going in that this is a thread about the morality of torture, but I thought I made it clear that that isn't the point. Is there something I'm missing here? I'm seriously asking, by the way. Could you elaborate?

 

[Ravage]

I'd feel I'd avenge the lives he has ruined and taken, since you say he has committed nearly all atrocities, etc.

See, if he hadn't done anything, I would be against torturing him.

Say if he killed a close family member recently, or a girlfriend or something. I'd keep him locked up and torture him daily for a while until I run out of steam, that is if I face no criminal charges or whatever. Is torture morally right? Naw, never. Does he have it coming? To me, indeed he does.

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

I'd say no, just because of practical reasons. If his piss is apparently lethal enough to kill at that massive range you mention, what the hell is his blood going to do? ust kill the dude and throw his body into space where he can do no more harm (to us at least)

 

[Alcamonic]

Now I wonder what would happen if we forced Mega-Hitler to drink his own piss (and then upload it on Youtube, internet-fame AHOOOO!)
Or if we just stopped his kidneys from purifying his urine so his cell would eventually flood and dissolve him... in his own piss... what a fate.

 

[Brian Tams]

Torture is only a slightly redeemable action if there is something to be gained from it, but there's no reason to torture anyone for satisfaction. That's pretty fucked.

 

[bat32391]

No, probably not I would't care for getting my self that messy. I would probably just shoot the sick fuck and be done with it. Though if I saw someone trying to torture them, I certainly wouldn't do anything to stop them.

 

[Quaxar]

I actually am willing to sanction torture when there is purpose to it. But solely for personal satisfaction? never

Well yeah, even though it's an incredibly unreliant and cruel way of extracting information at least if you're cutting off fingers to find a bomb in a school you're at least kind of doing something with it.
But if you're employing it just because someone is a bad person maybe you should strap yourself in with them right away.

There's never a purpose for torture, and you gave it in your first sentence: it's unreliable, incredibly so. After a while, torture victims will admit to or make up absolutely anything, and I mean /anything/ to get the pain to stop. That anything, however, is not the real truth, it's the truth they think the torturer wants to hear. All that torture that was done for the war on terror? None of it ever gave any good results. All of the information taken from captured terrorists was done with the kinder, gentler methods of earning their trust, getting them comfortable, and otherwise waiting for them to slip up.

Indeed, torture is an awful method for gaining information. Not that other methods do much better, even the famed Reid technique leads to an astonishing amount of false positives.
But the point was that if torture has a somewhat noble goal at least it has a moral justification, however shaky it may be. In fact, I'd even put the Japanese <url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731>Unit 731 experiments, which already are basically some the most horrible human experiments imaginable, above turture for inflicting pain's sake.

 

[nuttshell]

Did you... read the thread? I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude and it's perfectly reasonable to assume going in that this is a thread about the morality of torture, but I thought I made it clear that that isn't the point. Is there something I'm missing here? I'm seriously asking, by the way. Could you elaborate?

I was referring to some of the comments on the first page, where some people seem to think, that torture is a viable option for extracting information. That creeps me out.

 

[SirPlindington]

Did you... read the thread? I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude and it's perfectly reasonable to assume going in that this is a thread about the morality of torture, but I thought I made it clear that that isn't the point. Is there something I'm missing here? I'm seriously asking, by the way. Could you elaborate?

I was referring to some of the comments on the first page, where some people seem to think, that torture is a viable option for extracting information. That creeps me out.

Oh, of course. Couldn't agree more. Sorry, just didn't understand where the comments where directed.

 

[God'sFist]

Yeah like everyone else has said torturing him for no reason gives nothing. So just shoot the bastard into the sun or something and be done with it.

 

[Treeinthewoods]

Reading the (imaginative!) description of Mega-Hitler, I couldn't help but think of Ramsay Snow.


Mega-Ramsay deserves a good beating, but that's all.

You mean Mega-Bolton, right? I'd hate to see you get Mega-Flayed.

OT - I wouldn't torture but if he really is that evil killing him outright wouldn't bother me.

 

[MammothBlade]

We may think we're above it, but when someone has wronged you, your family, or your neighbour, there's a certain psychological need to reciprocate harm done and understand why. Why fight it?

I'd want him to die regretting his actions, or even torture out an apology or an explanation. I wouldn't even care if it was genuine or not, just enough to convince myself that my loved ones could rest in peace. Then I could let him die in merely moderate pain as he reflected upon his evil deeds - if he had any mental faculties left, that is.


But something tells me that this "Mega-Hitler" may have himself had a tragic existence as a human being... we like to create demons to externalise evil. For example the Angra Mainyu. None had a more tragic existence than the innocent man who was tortured and filled with the world's evil. I'd really need to know his entire history, the context of his actions.

 

[PsychicTaco115]

Well, first I'd put on the nipple clamps on him

Then, I'd blindfold him and lightly tickle up his legs until I reach his di-

Oh, physically torture?

That shit's bad son, I do not like >.>

 

[Moth_Monk]

Torturing or killing this "mega-hitler" would be wrong. He's still a human being.

 

[DerangedHobo]

Would it be right to torture him?
After he's committed genocide, rape to male/female/children, tortured people physically and mentally and just been and all around psycho?
No, it wouldn't. I never understood this mentality of 'Oh he did something bad, let's do it back to him because what he did is wrong and that's justice'. To me that's circular logic, would it be right to kill him/lock him up indefinitely? Yes if it would save lives and he's clearly a danger to others.

And I know this is a hypothetical Hitler but that's the thing about the actual Hitler, he did it to further an ideology, he had a plan and any man or woman can do some fucked up shit in the name of ideology.

 

[Miyenne]

I firmly believe if a criminal has no benefit to society and is proven guilty without a doubt, off them. Then and there.

Don't waste time or resources (resources include people) with torture.

Unless they have information that will save/help/benefit people. If they do, have at those fingernails.

Otherwise, quick easy shot to the head.

 

[EyeReaper]

If it was any normal person, I'd say no. But you say this guy commited every atrocity ever? from stomping on kittens and concentration camps to eating that doughnut he clearly saw me call dibs on?
My vengeance will be sated, *****. No one breaks the dibsies rule.

But for realsies, The way i see it, if one man could commit every evil and every crime imaginable, he doesn't deserve the sweet release of death. He shouldn't get off with just an execution, that's hardly a slap on the wrist in comparison. Hell, now that I think about it really we should leave it up to the victims (the survivors at least) they were the ones affected, they should be the judges

 

[adamsaccount]

As much as id love to get into a hitler themed kinky sex adventure with strap ons, whips and ball gags id say violence breeds violence, even if its kinky violence, send him to a tropical island with beautiful women and all body massage therapy with plenty of rum, and lets see if we can breed a better class of dictator, one who doesn't take themself too seriously and doesnt feel then need for genocide,

edit: Just thought of this earlier, why the fuck did no Nazis have beards? Never seen a single nazi with a beard, just some useless question that yahoo answers couldn't handle, but interesting no?

 

[Abomination]

There's never a purpose for torture, and you gave it in your first sentence: it's unreliable, incredibly so. After a while, torture victims will admit to or make up absolutely anything, and I mean /anything/ to get the pain to stop. That anything, however, is not the real truth, it's the truth they think the torturer wants to hear. All that torture that was done for the war on terror? None of it ever gave any good results. All of the information taken from captured terrorists was done with the kinder, gentler methods of earning their trust, getting them comfortable, and otherwise waiting for them to slip up.

Torture has a bad track record of generating truth but at the same time it has had a record of generating truth on occasion.

It often fails, but it doesn't ALWAYS fail.

And if you're dealing with the hypothetical mega-Hitler I don't think I would have any qualms about us attempting to extract information from that particular individual using torture.