Total War Warhammer 2: Gameplay teaser and other news.

[Erttheking]

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The game is asking for 120 bucks. Don't try and weasel out of it. You say optional like the developers aren't try and pressure customers into spending even more money on a game that they already fucking bought.

Video games are not groceries. They are not perishables. When you buy a bag of apples from work, the grocery store does not release an attachment for those apples that it that make the bag of apples feel incomplete. Also, once again, Stellaris has massive free content updates that put Warhammer to fucking shame. Creative Assembly's display here is nothing short of fucking pathetic.

You and Samtemdo may just ok with ignoring or downplaying how Warhammer has been DLCed to death, but I'm not, so kindly stop jumping on me for not being happy with Creative Assembly trying to milk a game I really like to death.

You call it milking to death I call it post launch support. More content, more factions, more units, updates and bug fixes.

Seriously you are complaining about new content for a game. The only thing I can't argue with you is pricing of the content because at this point its subjective. IMO I don't think its that expensive compared to the tabletop game or other Games with worse DLC whoring (Free to Play/Pay to Win games)

This isn't post launch support, it's milking a game for more cash. Please tell me how it's "support" to charge for units that many players were complaining weren't in the base game. If you want support, I suggest you look at the Witcher 3 or Stellaris. Games that have massive free updates and then, when they had their expansions, had massive sprawling expansions that added to the game instead of feeling like they should've been there from the fucking start. Oh, and they didn't go rapid fire with stupidly overpriced tags either. More here.


Why are you comparing it to a tabletop game? It isn't a tabletop game. That's like saying that games are too expensive because a movie ticket is cheaper. And if all you can really say is that it's better than F2P games, then you're setting the bar really fucking low.

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

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The game is asking for 120 bucks. Don't try and weasel out of it. You say optional like the developers aren't try and pressure customers into spending even more money on a game that they already fucking bought.

Video games are not groceries. They are not perishables. When you buy a bag of apples from work, the grocery store does not release an attachment for those apples that it that make the bag of apples feel incomplete. Also, once again, Stellaris has massive free content updates that put Warhammer to fucking shame. Creative Assembly's display here is nothing short of fucking pathetic.

You and Samtemdo may just ok with ignoring or downplaying how Warhammer has been DLCed to death, but I'm not, so kindly stop jumping on me for not being happy with Creative Assembly trying to milk a game I really like to death.

I just don't think your outrage is justified. You bought it on sale at a massive discount, well after the DLC was released knowing how much and what it was and you've chosen not to buy it but you're angry about it.

If you'd bought the game at release before we knew the content or pricing of the DLC I'd understand but you knew full well what you were buying into and you seem excessively angry about it. It's almost like you bought the game just so you COULD be angry about it. You're making it seem like the people who cry "entitled gamers" have a point.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

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The game is asking for 120 bucks. Don't try and weasel out of it. You say optional like the developers aren't try and pressure customers into spending even more money on a game that they already fucking bought.

Video games are not groceries. They are not perishables. When you buy a bag of apples from work, the grocery store does not release an attachment for those apples that it that make the bag of apples feel incomplete. Also, once again, Stellaris has massive free content updates that put Warhammer to fucking shame. Creative Assembly's display here is nothing short of fucking pathetic.

You and Samtemdo may just ok with ignoring or downplaying how Warhammer has been DLCed to death, but I'm not, so kindly stop jumping on me for not being happy with Creative Assembly trying to milk a game I really like to death.

You call it milking to death I call it post launch support. More content, more factions, more units, updates and bug fixes.

Seriously you are complaining about new content for a game. The only thing I can't argue with you is pricing of the content because at this point its subjective. IMO I don't think its that expensive compared to the tabletop game or other Games with worse DLC whoring (Free to Play/Pay to Win games)

This isn't post launch support, it's milking a game for more cash. Please tell me how it's "support" to charge for units that many players were complaining weren't in the base game. If you want support, I suggest you look at the Witcher 3 or Stellaris. Games that have massive free updates and then, when they had their expansions, had massive sprawling expansions that added to the game instead of feeling like they should've been there from the fucking start. Oh, and they didn't go rapid fire with stupidly overpriced tags either. More here.


Why are you comparing it to a tabletop game? It isn't a tabletop game. That's like saying that games are too expensive because a movie ticket is cheaper. And if all you can really say is that it's better than F2P games, then you're setting the bar really fucking low.

Firstly fuck Jim Sterling.

Secondly all you have is the Witcher 3 as an Example. You also have to consider that CD Projeckt RED has other money making reveanue with the GOG store which they own.

What makes you think the Beastmen and Wood Elves should have been there at the start? Considering again that all the factions are radically unique with unique models and voice files which in todays Gaming is very expensive to make, and the Wood Elves and Beastmen came with their own whole Mini Campaigns and new gameplay mechanics.

If anything the Wood Elves and Beastmen DLC were mini expansions.

 

[Erttheking]

Snip

The game is asking for 120 bucks. Don't try and weasel out of it. You say optional like the developers aren't try and pressure customers into spending even more money on a game that they already fucking bought.

Video games are not groceries. They are not perishables. When you buy a bag of apples from work, the grocery store does not release an attachment for those apples that it that make the bag of apples feel incomplete. Also, once again, Stellaris has massive free content updates that put Warhammer to fucking shame. Creative Assembly's display here is nothing short of fucking pathetic.

You and Samtemdo may just ok with ignoring or downplaying how Warhammer has been DLCed to death, but I'm not, so kindly stop jumping on me for not being happy with Creative Assembly trying to milk a game I really like to death.

You call it milking to death I call it post launch support. More content, more factions, more units, updates and bug fixes.

Seriously you are complaining about new content for a game. The only thing I can't argue with you is pricing of the content because at this point its subjective. IMO I don't think its that expensive compared to the tabletop game or other Games with worse DLC whoring (Free to Play/Pay to Win games)

This isn't post launch support, it's milking a game for more cash. Please tell me how it's "support" to charge for units that many players were complaining weren't in the base game. If you want support, I suggest you look at the Witcher 3 or Stellaris. Games that have massive free updates and then, when they had their expansions, had massive sprawling expansions that added to the game instead of feeling like they should've been there from the fucking start. Oh, and they didn't go rapid fire with stupidly overpriced tags either. More here.


Why are you comparing it to a tabletop game? It isn't a tabletop game. That's like saying that games are too expensive because a movie ticket is cheaper. And if all you can really say is that it's better than F2P games, then you're setting the bar really fucking low.

Firstly fuck Jim Sterling.

Secondly all you have is the Witcher 3 as an Example. You also have to consider that CD Projeckt RED has other money making reveanue with the GOG store which they own.

What makes you think the Beastmen and Wood Elves should have been there at the start? Considering again that all the factions are radically unique with unique models and voice files which in todays Gaming is very expensive to make, and the Wood Elves and Beastmen came with their own whole Mini Campaigns and new gameplay mechanics.

If anything the Wood Elves and Beastmen DLC were mini expansions.

When that proves him wrong I'll let you know. (Spoiler warning: don't hold your breath)

And Stellaris, which you ignored. The sheer free content they put in utterly shames Creative Assembly. And CA has Sega let's not pretend they're poor starving artists, Sega said is just fucking greedy.

Yet, like I said before, they were able to release Bretonia. I guess they found the fuckng Infinity Gauntlet. And because they're core to the Old World, that's why.
Yeah, check the Steam reviews to see how many people think those expansions are worth the price.

 

[Erttheking]

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The game is asking for 120 bucks. Don't try and weasel out of it. You say optional like the developers aren't try and pressure customers into spending even more money on a game that they already fucking bought.

Video games are not groceries. They are not perishables. When you buy a bag of apples from work, the grocery store does not release an attachment for those apples that it that make the bag of apples feel incomplete. Also, once again, Stellaris has massive free content updates that put Warhammer to fucking shame. Creative Assembly's display here is nothing short of fucking pathetic.

You and Samtemdo may just ok with ignoring or downplaying how Warhammer has been DLCed to death, but I'm not, so kindly stop jumping on me for not being happy with Creative Assembly trying to milk a game I really like to death.

I just don't think your outrage is justified. You bought it on sale at a massive discount, well after the DLC was released knowing how much and what it was and you've chosen not to buy it but you're angry about it.

If you'd bought the game at release before we knew the content or pricing of the DLC I'd understand but you knew full well what you were buying into and you seem excessively angry about it. It's almost like you bought the game just so you COULD be angry about it. You're making it seem like the people who cry "entitled gamers" have a point.

And I think you're defending bullshit business practices. Yeah, I can think business practices are stupid even if I managed to avoid being fucked by them.

Oh please. If you think I only complain about things I'm personally victimized by, then I'm insulted. I'm insulted that you think I'm that selfish. And even with the discount I got, the DLC is still royally overpriced. Elves and Beastmen for nearly twenty? BS

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Snip

The game is asking for 120 bucks. Don't try and weasel out of it. You say optional like the developers aren't try and pressure customers into spending even more money on a game that they already fucking bought.

Video games are not groceries. They are not perishables. When you buy a bag of apples from work, the grocery store does not release an attachment for those apples that it that make the bag of apples feel incomplete. Also, once again, Stellaris has massive free content updates that put Warhammer to fucking shame. Creative Assembly's display here is nothing short of fucking pathetic.

You and Samtemdo may just ok with ignoring or downplaying how Warhammer has been DLCed to death, but I'm not, so kindly stop jumping on me for not being happy with Creative Assembly trying to milk a game I really like to death.

You call it milking to death I call it post launch support. More content, more factions, more units, updates and bug fixes.

Seriously you are complaining about new content for a game. The only thing I can't argue with you is pricing of the content because at this point its subjective. IMO I don't think its that expensive compared to the tabletop game or other Games with worse DLC whoring (Free to Play/Pay to Win games)

This isn't post launch support, it's milking a game for more cash. Please tell me how it's "support" to charge for units that many players were complaining weren't in the base game. If you want support, I suggest you look at the Witcher 3 or Stellaris. Games that have massive free updates and then, when they had their expansions, had massive sprawling expansions that added to the game instead of feeling like they should've been there from the fucking start. Oh, and they didn't go rapid fire with stupidly overpriced tags either. More here.


Why are you comparing it to a tabletop game? It isn't a tabletop game. That's like saying that games are too expensive because a movie ticket is cheaper. And if all you can really say is that it's better than F2P games, then you're setting the bar really fucking low.

Firstly fuck Jim Sterling.

Secondly all you have is the Witcher 3 as an Example. You also have to consider that CD Projeckt RED has other money making reveanue with the GOG store which they own.

What makes you think the Beastmen and Wood Elves should have been there at the start? Considering again that all the factions are radically unique with unique models and voice files which in todays Gaming is very expensive to make, and the Wood Elves and Beastmen came with their own whole Mini Campaigns and new gameplay mechanics.

If anything the Wood Elves and Beastmen DLC were mini expansions.

When that proves him wrong I'll let you know. (Spoiler warning: don't hold your breath)

And Stellaris, which you ignored. The sheer free content they put in utterly shames Creative Assembly. And CA has Sega let's not pretend they're poor starving artists, Sega said is just fucking greedy.

Yet, like I said before, they were able to release Bretonia. I guess they found the fuckng Infinity Gauntlet. And because they're core to the Old World, that's why.
Yeah, check the Steam reviews to see how many people think those expansions are worth the price.

Bretonnia was always gonna be Free DLC, they showed a list of planned Free DLC:

And you mentioned Stellaris, according to your standards that game is also expensive because it too has DLC with it combined with the base game would result in having 100+ dollars in total if I buy them all.

And I disagree with the negative Steam reviews of the DLC aswell, and also the Wood Elves DLC had a much more better reception than the Beastmen. Same with the King and the Warlord Lord/Unit pack for Dwarfs and Greenskins.

 

[Erttheking]

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The game is asking for 120 bucks. Don't try and weasel out of it. You say optional like the developers aren't try and pressure customers into spending even more money on a game that they already fucking bought.

Video games are not groceries. They are not perishables. When you buy a bag of apples from work, the grocery store does not release an attachment for those apples that it that make the bag of apples feel incomplete. Also, once again, Stellaris has massive free content updates that put Warhammer to fucking shame. Creative Assembly's display here is nothing short of fucking pathetic.

You and Samtemdo may just ok with ignoring or downplaying how Warhammer has been DLCed to death, but I'm not, so kindly stop jumping on me for not being happy with Creative Assembly trying to milk a game I really like to death.

You call it milking to death I call it post launch support. More content, more factions, more units, updates and bug fixes.

Seriously you are complaining about new content for a game. The only thing I can't argue with you is pricing of the content because at this point its subjective. IMO I don't think its that expensive compared to the tabletop game or other Games with worse DLC whoring (Free to Play/Pay to Win games)

This isn't post launch support, it's milking a game for more cash. Please tell me how it's "support" to charge for units that many players were complaining weren't in the base game. If you want support, I suggest you look at the Witcher 3 or Stellaris. Games that have massive free updates and then, when they had their expansions, had massive sprawling expansions that added to the game instead of feeling like they should've been there from the fucking start. Oh, and they didn't go rapid fire with stupidly overpriced tags either. More here.


Why are you comparing it to a tabletop game? It isn't a tabletop game. That's like saying that games are too expensive because a movie ticket is cheaper. And if all you can really say is that it's better than F2P games, then you're setting the bar really fucking low.

Firstly fuck Jim Sterling.

Secondly all you have is the Witcher 3 as an Example. You also have to consider that CD Projeckt RED has other money making reveanue with the GOG store which they own.

What makes you think the Beastmen and Wood Elves should have been there at the start? Considering again that all the factions are radically unique with unique models and voice files which in todays Gaming is very expensive to make, and the Wood Elves and Beastmen came with their own whole Mini Campaigns and new gameplay mechanics.

If anything the Wood Elves and Beastmen DLC were mini expansions.

When that proves him wrong I'll let you know. (Spoiler warning: don't hold your breath)

And Stellaris, which you ignored. The sheer free content they put in utterly shames Creative Assembly. And CA has Sega let's not pretend they're poor starving artists, Sega said is just fucking greedy.

Yet, like I said before, they were able to release Bretonia. I guess they found the fuckng Infinity Gauntlet. And because they're core to the Old World, that's why.
Yeah, check the Steam reviews to see how many people think those expansions are worth the price.

Bretonnia was always gonna be Free DLC, they showed a list of planned Free DLC:

And you mentioned Stellaris, according to your standards that game is also expensive because it too has DLC with it combined with the base game would result in having 100+ dollars in total if I buy them all.

And I disagree with the negative Steam reviews of the DLC aswell, and also the Wood Elves DLC had a much more better reception than the Beastmen. Same with the King and the Warlord Lord/Unit pack for Dwarfs and Greenskins.

And would you look at that, they can make free or lower priced DLC without going bankrupt. Maybe next time they can include fucking gore without charging three bucks,

It's seventy dollars. Eighty if you count the DLC that's purely cosmetic. The galaxy edition upgrade costs thirty bucks, but here's the thing. It's for items unrelated to the game. The soundtrack, a wallpaper, a novel. There's one cosmetic thing in the game, but needless to say, I find the galaxy edition easy to ignore because I don't feel like I could be enoying the game more if a bought it. Same for the Planitiods pack. Oh people hate that pack and I totally get that, but it's easy to ignore. So yeah I never felt like Stellaris was demanding more than seventy bucks, with much more paced out DLC. Oh, and it didn't try to get me to preorder another fucking game for even more content.

And you're free to disagree with them, but don't just dismiss their complaints like they have no basis.

 

[Bombiz]

And you're free to disagree with them, but don't just dismiss their complaints like they have no basis.

their complaints have a point but paradox isn't exactly good with DLC either. for the galaxy edition why would they advertise a cosmetic as a new race? like what's the point?
also for the utopia DLC why wasn't "Advanced Slavery" already in the base game? sounds like something that should've been in the game from the start.

in all honesty I wouldn't use stellaris as an example. stick with witcher 3.

 

[Erttheking]

And you're free to disagree with them, but don't just dismiss their complaints like they have no basis.

their complaints have a point but paradox isn't exactly good with DLC either. for the galaxy edition why would they advertise a cosmetic as a new race? like what's the point?
also for the utopia DLC why wasn't "Advanced Slavery" already in the base game? sounds like something that should've been in the game from the start.

in all honesty I wouldn't use stellaris as an example. stick with witcher 3.

I'll admit that they certainly have problems, but compare to the crap that's being pulled with Creative Assembly and Sega, they come out smelling like roses.

 

[Bombiz]

And you're free to disagree with them, but don't just dismiss their complaints like they have no basis.

their complaints have a point but paradox isn't exactly good with DLC either. for the galaxy edition why would they advertise a cosmetic as a new race? like what's the point?
also for the utopia DLC why wasn't "Advanced Slavery" already in the base game? sounds like something that should've been in the game from the start.

in all honesty I wouldn't use stellaris as an example. stick with witcher 3.

I'll admit that they certainly have problems, but compare to the crap that's being pulled with Creative Assembly and Sega, they come out smelling like roses.

crap is still crap no matter how small. Endless legend is miles a head of Stellaris if we're talking about post launch support. like it's not even close.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

GIVE ME MEDIEVAL 3 YOU FUCKS

There is, its called Age of Charlemange:


And I think there are Medieval Mods for Warhammer and Attila.

 

[Erttheking]

And you're free to disagree with them, but don't just dismiss their complaints like they have no basis.

their complaints have a point but paradox isn't exactly good with DLC either. for the galaxy edition why would they advertise a cosmetic as a new race? like what's the point?
also for the utopia DLC why wasn't "Advanced Slavery" already in the base game? sounds like something that should've been in the game from the start.

in all honesty I wouldn't use stellaris as an example. stick with witcher 3.

I'll admit that they certainly have problems, but compare to the crap that's being pulled with Creative Assembly and Sega, they come out smelling like roses.

crap is still crap no matter how small. Endless legend is miles a head of Stellaris if we're talking about post launch support. like it's not even close.

Pretty damn important to keep things in perspective if you ask me. Though I'm all for talking about what's done right with the Endless series.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

GIVE ME MEDIEVAL 3 YOU FUCKS

There is, its called Age of Charlemange:


And I think there are Medieval Mods for Warhammer and Attila.

The middle ages lasted well into the 15th century m8. A half arsed expansion pack about a guy who lived until sevenhundredandsomething is NOT Medieval 3.

The mods suck because Warhammer and Attila combat is terrible for... Well, anything except feudal Japan really.

What's wrong with Attila's combat?

 

[Bombiz]

didn't they change the combat for warhammer no though? don't units gang up on each other now?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

What's wrong with Attila's combat?

Everything...

Serious answer: since I think TW Empire they've had this terribad system for melee combat where a killing blow can only be done in a "kill move" animation, which means that, regardless of numbers or unit quality, all melee clashes boil down to hundreds of small 1v1 battles as opposed to armies fighting each other as a whole. It makes battles look more cinematic at first glance but thats only until you zoom in and realize how fucking stupid it is to see 10 soldiers fighting 10 other soldiers while 100 others shuffle around awkwardly doing nothing. Said shuffle also makes units break solid formation - not like thats important in a fucking strategy game, right? This is a particularly grevious sin in Rome, Attila and Napoleon because its completely contradictory to how armies actually fought at the time. Not so bad in Warhammer because you can hardly cry about "muh realism" there, plus siege weapons and abilities play a much larger roll.

In what I guess was an attempt to make this less obvious without sacrificing the "make battles look good in trailers" system they just sped up the fighting for Rome 2 and rolled with it for Attila, but that just makes things even worse because now your epic 10.000 v 15.000 troop battles are over in less than 5 minutes, literally. Charge > use unit special ability twice in the space of 4 minutes because fuck long cooldowns > unit routes, battle won, bye bye, even on legendary difficulty.

Theres a reason the entire community serious about Total War multiplayer battles is still stuck on Medieval 2. Medieval 3 or anything other than Warhammer really is going to suck with the current combat system and CA really need to sit down and change it big time. Its gotten to the point where I really don't understand where the work is going; the AI still sucks, the campaign map has been dumbed down, combat hasn't changed, event cutscenes have almost completely disappeared and so have traits...

Funny thing is people wants kill animations for Warhammer...

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

What's wrong with Attila's combat?

Everything...

Serious answer: since I think TW Empire they've had this terribad system for melee combat where a killing blow can only be done in a "kill move" animation, which means that, regardless of numbers or unit quality, all melee clashes boil down to hundreds of small 1v1 battles as opposed to armies fighting each other as a whole. It makes battles look more cinematic at first glance but thats only until you zoom in and realize how fucking stupid it is to see 10 soldiers fighting 10 other soldiers while 100 others shuffle around awkwardly doing nothing. Said shuffle also makes units break solid formation - not like thats important in a fucking strategy game, right? This is a particularly grevious sin in Rome, Attila and Napoleon because its completely contradictory to how armies actually fought at the time. Not so bad in Warhammer because you can hardly cry about "muh realism" there, plus siege weapons and abilities play a much larger roll.

In what I guess was an attempt to make this less obvious without sacrificing the "make battles look good in trailers" system they just sped up the fighting for Rome 2 and rolled with it for Attila, but that just makes things even worse because now your epic 10.000 v 15.000 troop battles are over in less than 5 minutes, literally. Charge > use unit special ability twice in the space of 4 minutes because fuck long cooldowns > unit routes, battle won, bye bye, even on legendary difficulty.

Theres a reason the entire community serious about Total War multiplayer battles is still stuck on Medieval 2. Medieval 3 or anything other than Warhammer really is going to suck with the current combat system and CA really need to sit down and change it big time. Its gotten to the point where I really don't understand where the work is going; the AI still sucks, the campaign map has been dumbed down, combat hasn't changed, event cutscenes have almost completely disappeared and so have traits...

Honestly when people say the AI still sucks I have to say something because define how it still sucks because its very vague.

I played this game and never had any noticiable AI issues.