TotalBiscuit Takedown Notice

[krazykidd]

Simply reviewing a game on the internet without profiting in any way avoids any ethical dilemma (having nothing to gain or lose is great for demonstrating at least some attempt at fairness) as well as any legal dilemma (fair use is nebulously defined after all).

Of course, on the other hand, since I'm not being paid to do it as a job then were I to review Final Fantasy XIII I would have no reason to give readers any reasons why they might like it when I didn't. I'm not a professional, why should I look at the pros and cons when I would personally not recommend the game?

Its not that i necessarily agree with the reasons for taking down/flagging videos. It's just that i understand where they are coming from.

I understand the reasoning too, but that doesn't make it right. Fair use may be nebulous as Eclectic Dreck mentioned, but it is supposed to cover review and criticism of products, which is most certainly what people like TotalBiscuit do. Removing (extremely valid) criticism of your game from the view of the public is shady at best, downright deception at worst. Consumers deserve to be able to research something before they purchase it, for good or bad.

That is exactly what i meant. It may have come across like i was defending them , but i wasn't. It's just that i get it. I can see, and understand both sides, and am unwilling to throw the first stone at the devs. In their shoes i'd probably (want to ) do the same. I agree with everything you said in your post.

 

[Reed Spacer]

Oh god, I just thought of something.

Youtube took the Biscuit.

 

[DasDestroyer]

That's not what i'm arguing for. And like i said i don't agree with the action, but i donunderstand it. TB has a very big following, if he says negative things about a game , it could affect sales. Now, because he is an internet personality, his words carry weight. In the eyes of publishers he ( and many LPers) are no names, who became popular on youtube( and other means) that a) make money off their games with their content and b) can directly influence their sales based on what they say. I understand why companies feel threatened by them. That's all i meant. I understand why they take these actions.

Now, IF anyone has permission for the devs or publishers to use gamefootage and review games then it's silly because you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Thing is, the video about Gary's Incident got 600k views, which is more than he normally gets. The video he made about how his video about Gary's Incident got taken down, however, got 3 million views.
Just because you're threatened by something, doesn't mean it's right to get it censored, both ethically and practically. Because the devs of Gary's Incident took the video down, roughly 10x more people found out about how bad their game is.

 

[Ieyke]

Oh man...that's HILARIOUS. They're going to get DESTROYED.
You just don't fuck with TB.
He will tear you to pieces.
No game dev will EVER pick a fight with his channel and win.
.....and TB is gonna make a pile of money off the views this is going to generate.

This type of human stupidity fills me with diabolical glee. I love watching fools destroy themselves.

Now, IF anyone has permission for the devs or publishers to use gamefootage and review games then it's silly because you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Everyone inherently has permission. It's the law.

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

Heh heh. IIRC TB straight up dared them to do this a couple of times on the review. Some people just can't resist a dare...the fools.

 

[Reincarnatedwolfgod]

what a bunch of idiots. Did they not learn anything from what happened with Day One: Garry's Incident.
well I hope FUN has fun with the streisand effect.

 

[Kyrdra]

So before everyone gets their pitchforks out please read this:
https://twitter.com/FUNCreators/statuses/433786209702117376
which links to this:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/259640/discussions/0/558746089682249264/

The developer say they didn't do it. So what we have here is conflicting information especially since TB said it got taken down by them.
Either way it reflects badly on youtube. If it was an imposter doing it they should check it better who flags something. If it was the devs then it is still bullshit to takedown the review simply because the footage shouldd be under fair use. Ohh yeah and if it is the latter shame on the devs

 

[Reed Spacer]

So before everyone gets their pitchforks out please read this:
https://twitter.com/FUNCreators/statuses/433786209702117376
which links to this:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/259640/discussions/0/558746089682249264/

The developer say they didn't do it. So what we have here is conflicting information especially since TB said it got taken down by them.
Either way it reflects badly on youtube. If it was an imposter doing it they should check it better who flags something. If it was the devs then it is still bullshit to takedown the review simply because the footage shouldd be under fair use. Ohh yeah and if it is the latter shame on the devs

They don't appear to check at all. I've seen videos taken down that were flagged by Adolph Hitler, so the process is either automated or Google staff are too stupid to live.

 

[J Tyran]

He needs to start a new series or something, this is becoming a regular occurrence. Maybe call it "Monthly Top Takedown Notices" or something like that.

 

[Atmos Duality]

So before everyone gets their pitchforks out please read this:
https://twitter.com/FUNCreators/statuses/433786209702117376
which links to this:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/259640/discussions/0/558746089682249264/

The developer say they didn't do it. So what we have here is conflicting information especially since TB said it got taken down by them.
Either way it reflects badly on youtube. If it was an imposter doing it they should check it better who flags something. If it was the devs then it is still bullshit to takedown the review simply because the footage shouldd be under fair use. Ohh yeah and if it is the latter shame on the devs

Well, this just got more interesting.
I could see some dumb bot or other party take it down out of incompetence.
But I could also see the developers taking it down and then disavowing it to try and draw attention to their game.

 

[Roxas1359]

They don't appear to check at all. I've seen videos taken down that were flagged by Adolph Hitler, so the process is either automated or Google staff are too stupid to live.

It's completely automated. I've had to deal with this broken system for about 2 years now since I do LPs. When you are uploading, during the final part of uploading they run an algorithm on the file to see if anything in your video is copyrighted. If it is then it will automatically either get a 3rd Party Content ID or an actual Copyright Strike. After that, anyone can flag the video claiming to own it, even if they don't own the legal rights to it in any way, shape, or form.

There is a giant server that the algorithm is stored in that has certain phrases, parts of songs, names, etc. that it uses to detect if the video has copyrighted material. That stuff is all used during the processing of the video mostly. They also check the tags as well and have started putting claims on videos if they have certain tags...

The system is completely broken and YouTube has pretty much said that they won't be fixing it at all. The best example of how broken the system is comes from an anecdote of mine. Last year I had reuploaded my first episode of Kingdom Hearts 1 Final Mix (PS2) and silenced Simple and Clean to fall under Fair Use. I also did the same thing once I made a video about the HD 1.5 ReMix that had just come out (I imported and translated the Awakening part). Well I ended up getting a Copyright Notice from a company known as The Orchard Music. Apparently I had used their music, which I didn't since Orchard owned no rights to Kingdom Hearts, nor were affiliated with EMI Studios Japan, Square Enix, or Disney. Well the part of the video they claimed was the part I muted, where there was no game audio nor commentary. Well I got an audio claim and not a video one, so apparently Orchard Music is trying to tell me that they've copyrighted silence (which in this day and age wouldn't surprise me). I fought them for about 2 months and emerged victorious, but it was a pain in the ass.

To summarize this, yes it is automated and it is broken as hell.

 

[Story]

Wow. I'm not even a fan of TB but I did watch these videos and I some how saw this coming. Whether this takedown was from the Devs or not this should be interesting.

Captcha: Need a Piña Colada?
Yup sure do, and some popcorn.

 

[Dragonbums]

Glad I saw the video before takedown. Man that was fucking funny. Everyone else pretty much said what I was going to. So I'll just quote straight from the video.

"Helps to have a map."

 

[Mangod]

Glad I saw the video before takedown. Man that was fucking funny. Everyone else pretty much said what I was going to. So I'll just quote straight from the video.

"Helps to have a map."

"Good evening me lord."

Honestly, the best part of this whole thing is that the game looked so painfully bad I'm surprised it hasn't already joined Ride to Hell: Retribution 1% in the pantheon of Horrible, Horrible Games That No One Should Play.

 

[Amaror]

Reading a bit on the steam forums and the twitter feeds, it seems like FUN Creators did and didn't do it.
The company itself presumably didn't do it and they do have a post were they refused a trolls suggestion to do exactly this.
They currently seem to be working with the Tb team to work this thing out and figure out who did it.
It seems it was someone from inside the company though.

 

[likalaruku]

The fact that Youtube says I cannot watch them makes me want to see them even more.

Oh Cynical Brit...when will you ever learn to back up your videos on multiple sites, like Blip?

 

[CountryMike]

Actually you know what ? I get it. Why would i want a bunch of randomers talking about my games. Especially if it's a bad game or they are known to say bad things about their games. Sure it's free publicity, but only if the reviewer liked it. If the reviewer hated it, and is a popular figure, then it's bad for business. Yes it's a way to control information about their games , but i do believe only certain people should be allowed to " review" games not every tom, dick and harry with a camera ( i'm not saying that's what total biscuit is).


Its not that i necessarily agree with the reasons for taking down/flagging videos. It's just that i understand where they are coming from.

Everyone should be "allowed". Unless you don't like freedom.

 

[krazykidd]

Actually you know what ? I get it. Why would i want a bunch of randomers talking about my games. Especially if it's a bad game or they are known to say bad things about their games. Sure it's free publicity, but only if the reviewer liked it. If the reviewer hated it, and is a popular figure, then it's bad for business. Yes it's a way to control information about their games , but i do believe only certain people should be allowed to " review" games not every tom, dick and harry with a camera ( i'm not saying that's what total biscuit is).


Its not that i necessarily agree with the reasons for taking down/flagging videos. It's just that i understand where they are coming from.

Everyone should be "allowed". Unless you don't like freedom.

Yes , i Hate freedom. /sarcasm

Now excuse me while i read posts from users who actually have something to add to this discussion .

 

[Fdzzaigl]

Ahahah, oh gods I saw that video. The game was so bad I was crying my eyes out laughing.

They don't seem to be any better at PR than they are at making games. Little dicks trying to file copyright claims in order to cover up footage of their shitty game.