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CannibalCorpses

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Getting close to 100% on my current game and just wondering if anyone can recommend me some tough games to buy on PS4?

Recently played Stick of truth, Fractured but whole, Dishonored 2, Final fantasy 15, Hitman, Witcher 3, Octodad...but i haven't felt any real challenge from a game since Broforce on Ironbro mode.

I'll play any genre other than sports games and i always play on the hardest setting first run...please help!
 

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Well the Souls games are "hard" i guess, but they walk the line between "its hard" and "its a grind", so that's kinda personal opinion i guess. Bloodborne is the best game on the system in my opinion.
 

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Wolfenstein II is pretty tough on the hardest difficulty. The game doesn't let you run around much even on normal. It's really not that hard though as it just forces you to corner camp and lean mainly while doing some AI exploitation.

Nioh should be a decent challenge as the game has a much better combat system than Souls that requires mastery vs just being careful. Bloodborne doesn't really give you an "easy" playstyle like Souls but it's not really hard if you're any good at fighting games or combat action games.

Invisible Inc is a pretty tough game that's basically a stealth-based XCOM that's a roguelike. Another stealth tactics game is Shadow Tactics, which I have but haven't gotten far into it, basically tried the first couple missions (via the demo), loved it, bought it, but haven't gotten around to it yet. I read the later missions get really tough though.

It's pretty hard to find truly challenging single player games as you can usually exploit the AI or mechanics pretty easily. Most games' combat rarely have the complexity and depth to require mastery. The hardest difficulty usually only makes games less fun and just drags out the combat. For example, you can beat any monster on the hardest difficulty at level 1 just exploiting a certain game mechanic in Witcher 3, it'll just take you a long ass time to beat a high level creature, but it isn't hard. Any online competitive game is way harder than any single player game due to facing human opponents.

The best way to make single player games challenging is sorta impose your own rules on them like playing Dishonored like StealthGamerBR instead of just playing to beat the game, which isn't supposed to be hard as the games are about creativity not difficulty.
 

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Well it depends on how you want to do challenging. I suggest playing Doom, on hard, on close combat hits allowed no shooting of any kind, you have to wear those drunk-goggles DARE uses on kids, and every 10mins someone gets to stab a finger with a red hot poker.

It's technically tough.
 

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Nioh kicked the shit outta me a few times. more in depth combat system than Dark Souls but also a less interesting level design. end game is grindy as heck, but the Goty version is def worth a playthrough
 

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I'd say any game that has a Very Hard mode.

Horizon: Zero Dawn and Uncharted: The Lost Legacy are pretty grueling on their highest difficulty.
 

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Dirt Rally is pretty uncompromising but high quality challenge, but you do need almost no distraction to concentrate on doing well. Same with Rain World also. Both require no grinding whatsoever, just your own grit. There are plenty others to find that are difficult I guess, however those two are plain and direct in their unforgiving nature. Would recommend a wiki skim for Rain World though, as there are many many things it expects you to learn from observation and experimentation that are not as obvious to observe or experiment as they seem to believe.

Uncharted: Lost Legacy has an extra PvE mode that is, for lack of a better phrase; a **** that can go fuck itself. If that's your sort of thing. As in its' difficulty is there specifically to encourage impatient players to splash out on juicy mini-buys to alleviate the grind for better gear and buffs. But the challenge is certainly there. While the gunplay is still very much solid and fun

H:ZD gives an alright challenge on hard difficulties.

Steamworld Heist starts off simple, but as a 2D space robot pirate Xcom, becomes rather stressful as you go further on.

D...errm, Darkest Dungeon?
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
The best way to make single player games challenging is sorta impose your own rules on them like playing Dishonored like StealthGamerBR instead of just playing to beat the game, which isn't supposed to be hard as the games are about creativity not difficulty.
Yeah, i do this a lot aswell. Just finished Arkham knight on the hardest setting new game + without upgrading any skills...the tank battles were crazy with no armour and that damn tank boss grrr :)

I really should start recording my playthroughs so i can show off a bit ^_^
 

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Casual Shinji said:
I'd say any game that has a Very Hard mode.

Horizon: Zero Dawn and Uncharted: The Lost Legacy are pretty grueling on their highest difficulty.
I've played all the uncharted games through on the hardest setting and once you know where the enemies are going to be the difficulty doesn't really make any difference...it's the main reason i play games through on hardest first. It only adds a day onto my finish time which is important when i generally finish games within 2 days.

Not really looked at Horizon yet...i'll probably get it when it drops in price
 

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Souplex said:
I played through XCOM 2 recently. I loved it.
I've got it but i can't seem to get into it enough to grind out the start on impossible. I did it on the first one (and all the originals aswell) but this one grinds me down quickly. I think it's the loading times that irk me most
 

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Cold Shiny said:
Well the Souls games are "hard" i guess, but they walk the line between "its hard" and "its a grind", so that's kinda personal opinion i guess. Bloodborne is the best game on the system in my opinion.
I gave it a go but there isn't much intuition on it. Meet new bad guy, die to new bad guy, learn how to beat new bad guy, never die to that bad guy again...rinse and repeat.

That said, i might dig it out again and give it another go. I had a backlogue of better games to play when i tried it first time round and that might have jaded my opinion slightly
 

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OK, seems i'm going to be buying Nioh...i'll let you know how i get on after christmas. Working most of it so i wont get much gaming time until the new year starts (the joys of working in the care sector)

Feel free to suggest some more though...i love a good challenge. Super meat boy and Binding of isaac still need finishing so i have a few things to fiddle with when i don't have much time between shifts
 

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CannibalCorpses said:
Casual Shinji said:
I'd say any game that has a Very Hard mode.

Horizon: Zero Dawn and Uncharted: The Lost Legacy are pretty grueling on their highest difficulty.
I've played all the uncharted games through on the hardest setting and once you know where the enemies are going to be the difficulty doesn't really make any difference...it's the main reason i play games through on hardest first. It only adds a day onto my finish time which is important when i generally finish games within 2 days.
Well, I primarily mentioned Uncharted: The Lost Legacy since it has a lot more open areas, and as such the combat feels a lot less like banging your head against a brick wall(as it did with the previous games). It forces you to stealth, and this made the game fall into a kind of Last of Us guerilla action, which I was A-okay with. Also, the hardest difficulty increases the number of enemies. I couldn't even finish it due to that final armored humvee section.
 

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Ezekiel said:
Nioh got boring for me. I'm in "The Iga Escape," pretty far into the game, and don't feel like playing it anymore. I'm at the boss, who seems to be far from any checkpoint and can, as usual, kill me pretty quickly. I've only attempted him twice, but I don't feel right now that beating him will be rewarding enough, since I'll just have to deal with another boss who can one-shot me or do two attacks in a row that kill me. The combat isn't that great or unique and the levels are far too samey. The story is uninteresting. Dark Souls does the Dark Souls formula better.
I've bought it now (it was on sale) so i'll give it a whirl and see how i get on with it. It might spark my desire to retry Bloodborne again...not really had any fighting games for a while so i'm kinda sat with fingers crossed hoping it compares to Dante's inferno which is the last fighting game i played and enjoyed. I can forgive pretty much anything as long as the combat system is good enough to keep me engaged to the end
 

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Casual Shinji said:
CannibalCorpses said:
Casual Shinji said:
I'd say any game that has a Very Hard mode.

Horizon: Zero Dawn and Uncharted: The Lost Legacy are pretty grueling on their highest difficulty.
I've played all the uncharted games through on the hardest setting and once you know where the enemies are going to be the difficulty doesn't really make any difference...it's the main reason i play games through on hardest first. It only adds a day onto my finish time which is important when i generally finish games within 2 days.
Well, I primarily mentioned Uncharted: The Lost Legacy since it has a lot more open areas, and as such the combat feels a lot less like banging your head against a brick wall(as it did with the previous games). It forces you to stealth, and this made the game fall into a kind of Last of Us guerilla action, which I was A-okay with. Also, the hardest difficulty increases the number of enemies. I couldn't even finish it due to that final armored humvee section.
It's a good shout, my friend has it so he can lend me it and i'll give it a go. I was reluctant before because i burned out playing the previous 4 games back-to-back but i've basically been playing rpgs a lot recently and need some variety and stealth is something i always like to see in games so you've sold me on it ^_^
 

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CannibalCorpses said:
Ezekiel said:
Nioh got boring for me. I'm in "The Iga Escape," pretty far into the game, and don't feel like playing it anymore. I'm at the boss, who seems to be far from any checkpoint and can, as usual, kill me pretty quickly. I've only attempted him twice, but I don't feel right now that beating him will be rewarding enough, since I'll just have to deal with another boss who can one-shot me or do two attacks in a row that kill me. The combat isn't that great or unique and the levels are far too samey. The story is uninteresting. Dark Souls does the Dark Souls formula better.
I've bought it now (it was on sale) so i'll give it a whirl and see how i get on with it. It might spark my desire to retry Bloodborne again...not really had any fighting games for a while so i'm kinda sat with fingers crossed hoping it compares to Dante's inferno which is the last fighting game i played and enjoyed. I can forgive pretty much anything as long as the combat system is good enough to keep me engaged to the end
If you mean this Dante?s Inferno [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dante%27s_Inferno_(video_game)] then it isn?t technically a fitting(f*ck off, auto correct) fighting game. I?ve read there were plans for a sequel (Dante?s Redemption?), but not sure how true they are.

For a fighting game I?d try MKXL on Very Hard for a solid challenge. The AI forces you to know your character?s frame count and rarely makes a mistake to exploit. I?m sure some people have found other ways to exploit certain AI tactics, but from what I remember playing on even Hard it was exhilarating. Every victory was hard-earned, and in some cases it looked similar to high level pvp matches.
 

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CaitSeith said:
Obligatory Bloodborne, Dark Souls 2 and 3 recommendation.
I've tried Bloodborne and Dark souls and i found them pretty boring. Strangely, Nioh is really keeping my attention, which is basically Ninja Gaiden meets Dark souls, so i might be willing to retry them again at a later date. I'm guessing i'll need an rpg to recharge my batteries first though ^_^