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The Youth Counselor

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BodomBeachChild said:
Is there a way I can buy back the games from the buy backers and resell them? I feel the beginning of a good money making scheme in the works.

Captcha is "Sir Squirrel" With a squirrel holing a sword and shield... it is awesome.
You're better off rifling through your collection for old shitty games that aren't worth any thing anymore to pawn off to this anti-video game group. Gamestop doesn't take trade ins for anything before the Xbox era, so there's a start for you.
 

nexus

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General Twinkletoes said:
nexus said:
LordNerevar said:
*sigh* dumb-asses make wanna cry :(
Nice string of faceless new users there.

"Dumb-asses make wanna cry" ? Mkay. Go back to your hole.
All those avatar-less people except 1 have been around longer than you. One of them has been around since 2007, and lots of users without avatars are well known.

You seem especially angry at them for no good reason.
Really, I love that you think I'm angry. I was talking specifically of the 3 posts in-a-row before mine with no avatars and 15 posts or less, all talking about how guns suck. Oh yea, that's not suspicious at all.. Ever hear of socks?

Love how the topic isn't about guns either.

But hey, it's cool. Let's let the faceless socks derail threads for yet another gun control debate. . .
 

General Twinkletoes

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nexus said:
General Twinkletoes said:
nexus said:
LordNerevar said:
*sigh* dumb-asses make wanna cry :(
Nice string of faceless new users there.

"Dumb-asses make wanna cry" ? Mkay. Go back to your hole.
All those avatar-less people except 1 have been around longer than you. One of them has been around since 2007, and lots of users without avatars are well known.

You seem especially angry at them for no good reason.
Really, I love that you think I'm angry. I was talking specifically of the 3 posts in-a-row before mine with no avatars and 15 posts or less, all talking about how guns suck. Oh yea, that's not suspicious at all.. Ever hear of socks?

Love how the topic isn't about guns either.

But hey, it's cool. Let's let the faceless socks derail threads for yet another gun control debate. . .
Seriously, you think that someone would bother making 3 different accounts, all about a year old and with posts on each, just so they could derail a thread? That's some pretty ridiculous logic, to be honest. 3 users in a row with few posts and no avatars is not suspicious at all, people can derail threads well enough with just 1 account. You've derailed this thread far better than they did with your ridiculous conspiracy theories. Accusing people of being socks because they don't post much is dumb.

And by angry I didn't really mean upset or furious at them, just that you were being an jerk towards them for no good reason at all.
 

Therumancer

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FelixG said:
"There is ample evidence that violent video games, along with violent media of all kinds, including TV and movies portraying story after story showing a continuous stream of violence and killing, has contributed to increasing aggressiveness, fear, anxiety,"
So, why arent you buying back peoples violent movies, books, music, and comics you retarded douchebags?
Not the current boogieman. You have to remember that both comics and music got their days in the sun, society just moved on to another false scapegoat.

For a long time there was actually industry self-regulation in comics due to accusations that lurid comics like "Tales From The Crypt" and various vigilante titles were causing all the same kinds of things that video games are accused of. It was a big deal for a while when "indie" comics started bucking the trend of censorship, and when mainstream titles began doing the whole "screw the CCA" thing, which too far too long.

Music is the same, all the sex/romance, and violence/crime leading kids into those things allegedly. To be honest some music probably is a problem, not in of itself, but due to the subcultures it's built around and recruiting for, but that's an entirely differant discussion, and goes into areas that most pea-brained protestors don't even consider in their arguements.

At the end of the day the bottom line is that it's easier to blame something in pop culture, than it is to deal with more complicated societal issues, which ultimatly degenerate down to questions of civil liberties and singling out the people and groups responsible, and whether anyone wants to open that can of worms. Cutting down on school shootings, teen violence, etc... would be realtively easy to do, the problem is that the removal of civil liberties it would take to identify and act on these people would in theory lead to innocent people being persecuted. When you weigh the issue and the cost of solving it, it becomes easier to find a scapegoat than actually addressing the issue. Nobody wants to simply say "this is the price for other freedoms we value, and we simply have to accept it" because that seems inhuman when you so coldly calculate it.
 

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The Youth Counselor said:
VMK said:
Taronus said:
Counries with school shootings: USA
Countries with violent video games: ALL
Countries with with lax gun laws: USA

Yes,it is obviously the video games' fault.
Can't argue with that.
Also, about gun buyback:
They offer, what, 50 dollars for weapons, that clearly cost a lot more? Those guys will sell them and make profit, and if not, they are complete morons.
$50 (or credit) is usually the least amount given. Recent gun buyback programs in my area offered up to $250 for each gun.

A lot of the guns turned in are junk guns such as Hi-Points, Lorcins, Cobras, Ravens, Brycos some of which don't even have the retail value of $50. A lot of gun shops I've frequented include those guns for free after purchases or as a perk for servicemen, law enforcement, Front Sight, and NRA members, (and because it's inventory that they need to clear.)
There are gun stores that give complementary guns with the purchase of guns and/or gun accessories?

I'm not for or against it, it just seems so strange to me.
 

bug_of_war

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So... they can't blame this killing on games, so they're going to blame violence in general on games ... feel self righteous.
I don't think they're trying to feel self righteous, you're right about them wanting to relieve some pain but that's natural and no one should have the right to stop them from trying to do so. It looks more so like a shaken community desperately clinging onto an idea that has formed linked towards the latest 'new' thing that can influence a persons actions, personality, outlook etc (not all the time though, but there is always the chance as with everything). While it's wrong for them to only target video games after stating other media can have an effect on people it is clear that they mean well, they just aren't quite clued into the idea that several other factors cause desensitisation towards violence, empathy etc etc.

It's more a case of heart in the right place, but lack of fully informed decision making.
 

Therumancer

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Katatori-kun said:
Vault101 said:
Katatori-kun said:
Wow, some of you should see a orthopedic surgeon the way your knees are jerking over this.

Aside from the dubious claims about violence in the news story, this event doesn't hurt anyone. If they want to waste their money so they can feel like they've done something, then what skin is it off of your nose? I mean, since you're all so happy to let scientists study the effects of gaming violence on people, we've got easy evidence to show their claims are wrong- oh wait....
because its pure stupiditiy is why,
People all over the world do things that are pure stupidity all the time and no one on this forum makes a peep about it.

its not jsut games, its the crusade against artistic expression,
Isn't everyone above me pretty much blasting them for not buying violent movies or books? Kinda hard to accuse them of having a crusade against artistic expression when they're perfectly comfortable with huge swaths of it.

you can't prevent psycho nutters by banning whats already made and you certainly can't prevent them by getting sane people to hand over their games
As for the banning, sure you can. It's a little thing called the constitution. This group has zero power to ban anything, hasn't attempted to ban anything, and hasn't talked about banning anything.

As for preventing people from handing over their games, why would you? It's their game. If they want to hand it over, what business is it of yours?

I bet thease self rightous wankers would force us all to give up violent games if they could.
You bet that, do you? Based on what? What evidence do you have that these particular "self rightous [sic] wankers" would force us all to give up violent video games?

Let's face it: This entire story boils down to one thing- some people in Connecticut have marked themselves as not being a part of the gamer tribe, and so gamers on this site are throwing a tantrum.

Actually, I think your missing the point in wanting to engage in your crusade of technicalities for the sake of having an arguement.

We've seen things like this happen before and snowball out of control. We had the crusades against PnP RPGs, against music, and the entire comics industry shackeled with self regulation. If you let a group of people like this go unchecke they will grow, and gain more of a following to either create PACS which can push for changes to the laws, or simply engage in private regulation and censorship, by acting en-masse to force changes entirely by using civil methods. You start with "buy backs" and "burnings", then next thing your doing is blockading stores, then your blockading trucks carrying the merchandise, chasing people down in their homes who make the stuff, etc... and before too long even if it's a relatively small group of people overall, everyone in the target industry is forced to do whatever it is that they want due to little in the way of adequete protections, since the police aren't going to step in to stop people's right to assemble or whatever for the sake of your product or business.

The best way you counter this kind of insanity, is with more insanity, you basically have the more radical fringes in the gaming community, counter those with anti-gaming sentiments, preventing them from ever getting the kind of support. You make it just as inconveinent for them to protest as they would for a company to operate with them protesting. If you pretty much just sit back and ignore them, sometimes it fizzles out, in other cases it snowballs.

We have yet to get to the point where someone has produced a new version of "Mazes and Monsters" aimed at video gaming, or things like "What Happened To Rosemary's Baby" where the evil child draws power from hard rock music, but let it go unchecked and it can get to that point. It took so long for gamers to rally against an even smaller minority of people that by the time they did it was an insane uphill battle.

While nobody is proposing violence yet, I'll also go so far as to say that in cases like this I'm not 100% opposed to the idea. While not legal, it's sort of a principle that your freedom of speech and such are wroth fighting to protect, which is why everyone is supposed to be armed. A lot of people might not like this idea, but I believe that Heinlan's old statement "An Armed Society Is a Polite Society" kind of summarizes it. One thing that hurts society is that relatively small groups of people feel safe to act against larger ones in matters like this without any real fear of repercussions, it makes taking a knee-jerk scapegoat reaction and turning into a nation-wide position relatively easy. If everyone on both sides is armed, it at least makes people stop and evaluate their beliefs and their relative value a lot more before they decide to head out and start movements like this... and really while harmless in of itself, this is how movements get started. Today's Gun or Game buy back today, is tomorrow's MADD (Mothers Against Dungeons and Dragons, a shared Acronym), you wouldn't have thought a sewing circle could have turned some irritation over Jr. wanting to play with books and dice into a national platform that actually survived on the fringes for years either, but it did happen.

Don't get me wrong, I understand where your coming from, I just think your a little too dismissive. The guy your responding to might not be as right in the specifics of what's happening right now, but the point is valid simply in regards to what this could turn into. In the end it really doesn't matter if the goverment bands violent games, if you let groups like this rally to the point where stores become afraid to carry them, schools do more to ban discussing them, and workplaces won't let you talk about them around the water cooler without becoming a pariah, due to efforts
by this group. Let a few thousand people get organized, establish a newsletter, and then all write in en-masse on a subject and you'll be surprised what happens, and it gets worse if the same group can get a dozen or two people show up in a parking lot once in a while with signs to say bad things to passers by about a business as well. You don't really need the goverment to ban something to get a very similar effect, since really, today people effectively have the right to mass-harass any target they can agree on without fear of repercussions. (and to put things into perspective on an earlier statement, so it's not misunderstood, when everyone is armed people are less likely to mouth off to each other for the hell of it, as nobody will want to provoke anyone else. "An armed society is a polite society", but that goes into a seperate issue).
 

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If they offer a good deal I'd do it. It'll probably suck on value you get though. When major companies are competing you with you, your little event is probably not going to do well.
 

BehattedWanderer

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I see the Escapist trend of ambiguous, frightening headlines to draw in pageviews is still working. "Town Holds Violent-Videogame Buyback Program" sounds like there was a riot where a mob demanded people turn over violent games for monetary compensation, not a casual suggestion of a voucher.
 

Therumancer

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Taronus said:
Counries with school shootings: USA
Countries with violent video games: ALL
Countries with with lax gun laws: USA

Yes,it is obviously the video games' fault.
Well more accuratly the big issue is the USA having an out of control media. We pretty much let the media sensationaalize just about anything they want to, and broadcast it internationally. Since everyone cares about the USA (whatever they might claim) everyone also tunes right in to hear about it, and it stays in the news longer.

When people attempt to cause mass casualties in other countries it's a relative foot note. For example in China some guy went berserk in a school with a knife before being taken down, like the day before "Sandy Hook". It didn't get one tenth the press coverage, and honestly, it's amazing we even heard about it to the extent we did because most countries try and keep their dirty laundry like that in the country and compartmentalized instead of broadcasting it everywhere.

The thing is that when you look at murder sprees and such in general, the US isn't so bad, but it takes more digging, and also the desire to remember them. Also there is a tendency among everyone in the world to value what happens elsewhere less, because the USA is pretty much the most dominant and enlightened culture, and sets a standard, it's nice to take a chunk out of us once in a while, and while everyone agrees we're more or less "tops", they tend to think of anyone other than us and themselves as comparitively barbaric.

Do a search for something called "Three Guys One Hammer" (Encyclopedia Dramatica used to have links to the video, but I believe they took it down), it's fairly old right now, but the bottom line was that it was a bunch of kids in Russia (I believe) torturing and killing this dude for fun while recording it on their cell phone. It's been a while, but the bottom line is that this only got it's 15 minutes of fame because it made it on the internet as a shock video. The apprehension of the guys that did it was barely a footnote comparitively speaking. Nobody much cares or remembers it now, or thinks of it in cases like this, because it's not the USA, and pretty much anyone else around the world probably to some degree think "the people there are animals, so it's expected", which was in part what you heard when this video was "new".

Someone sets off a nail bomb in a school in Poland or whatever, and you might hear about it for five minutes, but globally speaking nobody cares, and neither does the media. In part because the Polish authorities will probably be far more assertive in dealing with the media to prevent it from being turned into this kind of a circus (which gets into other issues like relative "Freedom of the Press" as well... globally speaking, not just about Poland).

... and yes, part of the reason why you hear about it is because people want to point fingers at the USA and say "The USA sucks" which is part of "caring". As I said, a tradgedy elsewhere tends to just be "duh, expected".

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Also as a side note I'll say that the problems we're looking at aren't exactly recent either. The US, like most countries, has had non-stop dark moments since it was formed, it's just that the media wasn't in a position to distribute the information on a large scale. Some horror writers have pointed out that while doing research for books all they need to do is go into archival newspaper footage, and they will find something truely, beyond the pale, F@cked up, in the history of pretty much any town you can think of, and a grain of truth behind just about any "local" or "urban" legend. This is what inspires so many writers to have characters in their works do "research" in town archives and such to find why hauntings and such occur, because it's remotely plausible, since everywhere has
something like that.

See, if someone went into a school in a relatively small town with a Tommy Gun and iced 30 or so kids in the 1930s, the odds of anyone outside of the area knowing about it were prety much non-existant. There was no internet, radio was comparitively crude, and newspapers could only be distributed as far as trucks could carry them and few people cared about what happened outside of their area (except for big, federal, headlines). Also to be fair shock journalism has always been around, but it's only been fairly recent (within a few decades) where it's become the bread and butter of reporting.

That's my thoughts at any rate. Consider that one of the things that made Hoover so famous in his gangster hunts and such is that he was able to get media coverage, and was one of the very first people to use the media so heavily for crimes. He did a lot to get people's pictures, stories, etc... out there. Even as late as the 1960s you had criminal gangs (like bikers) virtually taking over towns because everything was so compartmentalized and it was hard for people to tell what was goin on where, or mount effective responses, and as many people will point out even when things sucked here the USA was pretty bloody well off compared to the rest of the world. It's not that things have changed, you just hear about it more, indeed things are probably the best they have ever been for the first world, but increasing information gathering and distribution technology means that we're simply more aware so it seems like the opposite is true.
 

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The Artificially Prolonged said:
Also I wonder how many people are just going to give them the cases with blank CD-Rs in them just to get the vouchers.
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Brilliant plan, good sir.

I wonder how much I can make from this scheme.
 

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I can't wait for the NRA to get on board with this. Get a free gun for every video game you turn in! Staying indoors is creepy, go outside and shoot something with real bullets like a true American!

On topic for treating the symptoms but not the disease;

http://www.leaderpost.com/life/fashion-beauty/Bulletproof+gear+kids/7766916/story.html

Yup, bulletproof school gear for kids. Which only means that your average psycho will need to pony up for armor-piercing rounds. Hmmmm so psychos will need better guns and ammo, concerned parents are shelling out for body armor for their kids... that's a win/win for the NRA when you think about it. Well played NRA.
 

Vault101

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Katatori-kun said:
People all over the world do things that are pure stupidity all the time and no one on this forum makes a peep about it.
are you kidding?..."stupid people being stupid" is one of the most popular topics here

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Isn't everyone above me pretty much blasting them for not buying violent movies or books?[/quote]
uhhh...no..not that I can see
[quote/]Kinda hard to accuse them of having a crusade against artistic expression when they're perfectly comfortable with huge swaths of it.[/quote]
..what?

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As for the banning, sure you can. It's a little thing called the constitution. This group has zero power to ban anything, hasn't attempted to ban anything, and hasn't talked about banning anything. [/quote]
its the same "mindset" that the games are so "harmful" that they actually go to such lengths as this (this whole thing is pretty rediculous when you think about) if not then what I said was slightly off topic, that the "ban media!" argument is stupid

[quote/]As for preventing people from handing over their games, why would you? It's their game. If they want to hand it over, what business is it of yours?[/quote]
I don't want to prevent people from handing over their games...they might get a nice deal out of, though I would disagree with them doing it because it would only encourage this dumbassery, as for the people running it...well I wouldn't ban it but I'm still going to say its stupid

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You bet that, do you? Based on what? What evidence do you have that these particular "self rightous [sic] wankers" would force us all to give up violent video games?[/quote]

like what I said earlyer, the fact they think the games are enough of a problem to want to actually get people to get rid of them seems pretty convincing to me, obviously they can't ban them so they take a more "mutually beneficial" aproach...stupid as it is, if not thease people then there are plenty more groups that would love to see them banned

[quote/]Let's face it: This entire story boils down to one thing- some people in Connecticut have marked themselves as not being a part of the gamer tribe, and so gamers on this site are throwing a tantrum.[/quote]
"tantrum" oh how precious

no, our "tantrum" is because people are beign stupid...you know what? I dont even deny there is a link between behaviour and games...I DO think taking a "DERP! BAN IT ALL" aproach is absolutly disgusting and only a few steps above book burnings, how the fuck is what they are doing suposed to have an impact?..AT ALL....the only impact is symbolic, [b/]banning what already exists[/b] is about as effective as pissing in the ocean
 

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nexus said:
LordNerevar said:
*sigh* dumb-asses make wanna cry :(
Nice string of faceless new users there.

"Dumb-asses make wanna cry" ? Mkay. Go back to your hole.
Whoa... what the crikey did that guy do to deserve that backlash? Granted, he may have overreacted, but most of the first page is overreactions. Why single out this guy?

nexus said:
Really, I love that you think I'm angry. I was talking specifically of the 3 posts in-a-row before mine with no avatars and 15 posts or less, all talking about how guns suck. Oh yea, that's not suspicious at all.. Ever hear of socks?

Love how the topic isn't about guns either.

But hey, it's cool. Let's let the faceless socks derail threads for yet another gun control debate. . .
It doesn't take much effort to check each persons post history, especially given how few there are... these guys are not the same person.

So maybe think before you shoot your mouth off. It's even easier to do on the web because there are no time constraints on posting.

Also, given the recency of the shootings and the obvious connotations of this buyback, it's perfectly reasonable to question "why not guns" under the current controversies. Those posts are well within the scope of the topic. Just because you don't like their viewpoint does not mean they are deliberately derailing the thread. Ironically, you are starting to derail the thread by venting your groundless suspicions.

If you suspect dodgy accounts, report and move on. Though given that they haven't done anything against the forum rules, and at a glance don't appear to be the same person, it would be safer to just ignore and move on, as reprisals are to be expected from abusing the report function.
 

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It doesn't take much effort to check each persons post history, especially given how few there are... these guys are not the same person.

So maybe think before you shoot your mouth off. It's even easier to do on the web because there are no time constraints on posting.
I never said it was a single person.

I'm completely tired of every discussion board on the internet being invaded by people with no interest in the site itself, rather they just care about sparking a gun control debate and saying everyone is a gun-nut dumbass for not agreeing with them. Everywhere. Fucking game boards, sites dedicated to the preparation and consumption of rare shellfish, antique silverware discussion sites.... doesn't matter where. Wherever you go, there they are stinking up the whole room with their shit.
 

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Hm... While I hate the underlying hatred, fear and ignorance, I have to aknowledge that this is one of the most reasonable and mature ways to deal with it. Good on them for at least not all out calling for bans.
 

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Well...at least it's not mandatory.

If a parent thinks 'hmm, maybe my kid shouldn't be exposed to this kind of violent imagery at this time', then that's a decision that needs to be made at the store counter, so to speak, not 1/2 years down the line.

I can't deny that perhaps their hearts are in the right place, but they are quite openly admitting that they ignored the PEGI (or whatever it is) rating - that's after all there for a reason - so really it's just too little too late if they don't want their kids playing videogames with violent imagery.
there is only one reason for PEGI rating - for stupid people to think certain things are inappropriate to certain people.


as for the buyback, well, there will be people who can get rid of old games this way, more power to them. actually id love a place where i could trade in my old books, sadly no such exist in my country....