Tracer #Buttgate - Shots fired by professional cosplayer at Heroes Championships
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I know the phrase, it has its place but it's a pretty harsh criticism to use against others. My point is if you're going into a thread where someone posted a butt pose and pulled out the "another hill to die on" then you're just escalating the situation to a point where normal dialog isn't going to happen. Also censorship does not equal an issue of free speech, if someone complains this is an issue of censorship then they're right, free speech not so much.LifeCharacter said:
Look, just because a player left character feedback on the character feedback forum set up by Blizzard to collect player feedback on characters for their game in development, doesn't mean it's okay for Blizzard to listen to player feedback for characters posted on their character feedback forum for their game in development.jurnag12 said:
It's very simple.
You know what is truly, truly hilarious about all these conversations and "controversies"? People still have not figured out the reason why the vociferous opposition starts so quickly and loudly. Gaming is a young medium and as such we have had "Moral Guardians" knocking on our doors for quite some time. Whether it was people like Jack Thompson and his accusation of "murder simulators", parents decrying that games will turn their child violent/stupid/whatever or people outright trying to get games banned, we have seen many people attacking games and gaming in general based on their content. However little hew and cry on content had come from gamers themselves. Few gamers protested that Doom was too violent or Dead or Alive too risque. We lived and let lived but we recognized calls for censorship as the voice of "the Enemy". People who seemed to have an irrational hatred of our hobby, of the medium we enjoyed and the entertainment we derived from it. Like any new medium, gamers became a community. An extremely divided community, yes but one all the same.
Do gamers complain? Yes but it has mainly been about quality. The Mass Effect 3 ending was criticised because the players felt let down by its quality, that a franchise famed for its story branches and promising that our decisions would have consequences ending on a choice between three button presses. We criticise even our favourite developers when they serve us a bad game. Assassin Creed fans did not give Ubisoft a free pass for their buggy messes and neither did Gearbox fans when Aliens Colonial Marines hit. However much of these did not concernewhat sort of content there was in games but rather the quality of the content itself.
Little wonder then when websites attacked gaming and gaming culture, throwing accusations against the character of the entire community, gamers pushed back. Calls for any kind of censorship have, perhaps subconsciously, been seen as the tools of "the Other", of "the Enemy". After all, this was true at one point in time. People were calling for games to be banned or censored. The fact that the modern calls for change come from a particular part of the political spectrum only makes it easier for certain segment of gamers to see them as the modern incarnations of Thompson and his ilk. Except that this time, instead of destruction they are quite content with castration and neutralization. Not exactly a true picture, sure a very radical fringe might subscribe to this view but most people who do ask for these changes are, I believe, generally well meaning. Unfortunately (and perhaps ironically) they are literally stepping on Gaming's trigger, we have become so defensive about the content of games because it has always been used as a weapon against games. For some gamers, this immediately stirs up a hostile response rooted in their love for their hobby. There are no heroes or villains here, just people with differing opinions. If only we could meet halfway and keep everyone happy, that would be great. Sadly that is about as likely as me walking down a tunnel and being granted the power of Shazam.
The fact that many older gamers are also fans of niche genres like Fantasy and SF or mediums like Comic Books and Tabletop Gaming only exacerbates the antipathy against "Moral Guardians" and "think of the children" mentalities. We have seen what happens when these people win. Fredric Wertham's 1954 book Seduction of the Innocent was used in court to attack the content of comic books and the subsequent Comics Code Authority eviscerated the young medium. There used to be many, many genres but due to the requirements of the Code, only superhero comics thrived. Mystery, horror, war and pirate comics all folded, if not for that perhaps Comic Books in America might be as diverse as manga is in Japan today. We have seen it happen and I cannot imagine that any of us want a repeat with video games.
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TL;DR: We've seen content criticism as something the outside uses to attack gaming for so long that when gamers use it nowadays it triggers a kneejerk reaction.
Do gamers complain? Yes but it has mainly been about quality. The Mass Effect 3 ending was criticised because the players felt let down by its quality, that a franchise famed for its story branches and promising that our decisions would have consequences ending on a choice between three button presses. We criticise even our favourite developers when they serve us a bad game. Assassin Creed fans did not give Ubisoft a free pass for their buggy messes and neither did Gearbox fans when Aliens Colonial Marines hit. However much of these did not concernewhat sort of content there was in games but rather the quality of the content itself.
Little wonder then when websites attacked gaming and gaming culture, throwing accusations against the character of the entire community, gamers pushed back. Calls for any kind of censorship have, perhaps subconsciously, been seen as the tools of "the Other", of "the Enemy". After all, this was true at one point in time. People were calling for games to be banned or censored. The fact that the modern calls for change come from a particular part of the political spectrum only makes it easier for certain segment of gamers to see them as the modern incarnations of Thompson and his ilk. Except that this time, instead of destruction they are quite content with castration and neutralization. Not exactly a true picture, sure a very radical fringe might subscribe to this view but most people who do ask for these changes are, I believe, generally well meaning. Unfortunately (and perhaps ironically) they are literally stepping on Gaming's trigger, we have become so defensive about the content of games because it has always been used as a weapon against games. For some gamers, this immediately stirs up a hostile response rooted in their love for their hobby. There are no heroes or villains here, just people with differing opinions. If only we could meet halfway and keep everyone happy, that would be great. Sadly that is about as likely as me walking down a tunnel and being granted the power of Shazam.
The fact that many older gamers are also fans of niche genres like Fantasy and SF or mediums like Comic Books and Tabletop Gaming only exacerbates the antipathy against "Moral Guardians" and "think of the children" mentalities. We have seen what happens when these people win. Fredric Wertham's 1954 book Seduction of the Innocent was used in court to attack the content of comic books and the subsequent Comics Code Authority eviscerated the young medium. There used to be many, many genres but due to the requirements of the Code, only superhero comics thrived. Mystery, horror, war and pirate comics all folded, if not for that perhaps Comic Books in America might be as diverse as manga is in Japan today. We have seen it happen and I cannot imagine that any of us want a repeat with video games.
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TL;DR: We've seen content criticism as something the outside uses to attack gaming for so long that when gamers use it nowadays it triggers a kneejerk reaction.
This seems heavily contingent on the assumption that the people who criticise games nowadays aren't really "gamers" themselves. That's a tremendously self-assured and shaky idea, and (unfortunately) one I've seen repeated a few times elsewhere.Mechamorph said:
Consumers very frequently criticise the things they love, usually because they want to see them get better. It's the same in every other medium. I know that's my reason.
Actually my hypothesis is the exact opposite; we've seen content criticism as something the outside uses to attack gaming for so long that when gamers use it nowadays it triggers a kneejerk reaction. That is actually kind of the point. My apologies if that was unclear.Silvanus said:
And yes, we do criticise the things we love. However there is a difference between "the prose is weak and the main character's motivations are not clearly expressed" or "this character is too powerful and unbalanced" versus "this character's designs offend me, it must change". Yes, they are all opinions and they are all valid. However the agreement over the degree of validity might differ and thus conflict arises.
I always felt the rest of Tracer's character was well-done enough a little cheesecake pose kinda made sense. Without getting too graphic I've known women who are fit and active and have a similar physique to Tracer's and that energy extends into their love life, if you catch my drift.
If anything they should've modified her pants to be more realistic, because no one's going to pay extra for special butt seaming on combat leggings. As many of those as she probably goes through I imagine she has a tissue box full of'em at home.
In the midst of all this though, it's important to remember that while having a butt pose isn't necessarily misogynist, it also doesn't give free license to use slutification as a kind of 'pink bow' to make the female characters stand out from the males. Being sex-positive isn't the same as being a sexual object.
If anything they should've modified her pants to be more realistic, because no one's going to pay extra for special butt seaming on combat leggings. As many of those as she probably goes through I imagine she has a tissue box full of'em at home.
In the midst of all this though, it's important to remember that while having a butt pose isn't necessarily misogynist, it also doesn't give free license to use slutification as a kind of 'pink bow' to make the female characters stand out from the males. Being sex-positive isn't the same as being a sexual object.
Ahh, right. Fair enough.Mechamorph said:
Well, we have criticisms of quality and of content, but they both reflect the consumer's experience with the product, which is vital information for the creator (and publisher, if we're feeling cynical). Any aspect of the product which affects the consumer's experience is a worthy avenue of critique.Mechamorph said:
The validity of the complaint should be questioned, but validity doesn't fundamentally have anything to do with whether the criticism was about quality or content. Either can be either valid or invalid.
This is awesome and hilarious. Whoever you are miss, excellent job.Paragon Fury said:http://oddshot.tv/shot/heroes-of-the-storm-201604032644959
For those who can't see the video;
So we all know about #Buttgate by now and how Blizzard responded to one user's (fake and TROLL complaint) by removing pose considered "too sexy" for Tracer.
And now a professional cosplayer doing publicity and invited by Blizzard themselves fired straight them by doing the exact removed pose on Blizzard's live Twitch.tv stream of the Heroes of the Storm Championships. The Twitch Chat goddamn exploded when she did it, and it was hilarious. And the best part?
A real person, in a costume so close to Tracer that she might as well BE Tracer herself...looks perfectly natural and shows the pose suits Tracer just fine.
Yeah.
Blizzard just got slapped on their own freaking Twitch.
The thing here is that the latter complaint ("this character's design offends me, change it") is a complete strawman. The only people I've heard actually say that are people who have a bone to pick with "SJWs".Mechamorph said:
The original forum post sounded a lot more like "the pose is weak and doesn't fit the character" than "I am offended! Please change this immediately!"
Behold my sexy self:Silvanus said:
It's not that I find it particularly smart to post secual pictures of yourself, especially not publically. But I can safely say that I encounter more girls and pictures of girls in far more daring poses than tracer's one in real life.
If it's their choice, that's fine.
BREAKING NEWS
The Buttgate pose has been changed!
Behold your new 'Over the shoulder' pose!
The butt remains!
The Buttgate pose has been changed!
Behold your new 'Over the shoulder' pose!
The butt remains!
The funny thing is that they made it "worse" for people who didn't like the original pose. Either Blizzard is trolling or they are really that oblivious. Anyway, looks fine.Loop Stricken said:BREAKING NEWS
The Buttgate pose has been changed!
Behold your new 'Over the shoulder' pose!
The butt remains!
Well, it does look more akin to a playful character. And(imho) makes the butt look better. So, win/win?CoCage said:The funny thing is that they made it "worse" for people who didn't like the original pose. Either Blizzard is trolling or they are really that oblivious. Anyway, looks fine.Loop Stricken said:BREAKING NEWS
The Buttgate pose has been changed!
Behold your new 'Over the shoulder' pose!
The butt remains!
