Exactly. As far as I can tell, the girlfriend isn't going to be a new character, so the game itself hasn't changed in the slightest.Skatalite said:
Tracer from Overwatch Confirmed as a Lesbian.
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Why did there need to be two threads about this?
Is fictional fucking that big of a deal to people?
Is fictional fucking that big of a deal to people?
I think there is some valid shit flipping (the good kind of shit flipping, namely stuff like "Yay!") for the LGBT community, to be able to see a prominent character that represents them to some degree. Which I can understand, people like to have someone similar to them to root for in stories. I know personally, if a character happens to have my name, which is rare in entertainment, I automatically empathize with him more, and want him to succeed and thrive. So I can appreciate the "I can root for a lesbian just like me!" kind of human reaction to similarity.DoPo said:
Beyond that though, I don't really care. Whatever her orientation is, is irrelevant to me personally. I don't care if she is gay, or bi, or straight. It's a fictional character, and her "official" orientation isn't going to impact anything at all, certainly not all the porn that is already out there, including her with everyone under the sun. They didn't care before, they sure won't care now, and will continue to have her pounded by whatever fetish they are indulging.
The comics can do whatever they want, as it's apparently independent from the game in every way that matters. So, yeah this reveal doesn't impact that game, doesn't really impact anything, other than to provide a demographic a character that is someone they can "officially" root for as being representative of them. And that's fine in my book.
I stand by my statement of "If race/gender/sexuality/orientation don't matter, then it doesn't matter, and I don't really care what she is. As to why I don't care, see the first sentence of this statement." Whether she likes the cock, or enjoys muff diving with the best of them, she's still a fun, energetic, cheerful, optimistic character, who brings a lot of energy and life to the pop culture aspect of the game. What she does in her off-time, and to whom, doesn't make one whit of difference to me. It doesn't make her line in that one movie when she's helping the boys in the museum "Don't worry luv, cavalry's here!" Any less fun and enjoyable for me. It doesn't make her grief over the assassination of that robot Ghandi by Widowmaker any less tragic. It just means that she's not into the cock. Whoopty do.
Yesterdays mildly succesful game vs todays everyone loses their shit over it game. No one doesn't mean literally no one. You know that.DoPo said:
Have you ever met a human? Or been online before?DoPo said:
I mean really, I'm taking yours as rhetorical questions. You know why people do this shit, you're just lamenting the fact that they do.
What if her girlfriend is trans? Or a hermaphrodite? Technically she might still like the cock. Hell she could even be Bi-sexual. The comic reveals ultimately very little about her other than she likes that "girl" right now.Happyninja42 said:
Which makes the shit flipping even more stupid because they are just assuming.
I don't understand this personally. I can understand being excited about a strong woman character, or ethnic character of any gender. But sexual preference is such an incredibly SMALL part of who a person is, I don't see why there is such a hubbub about it.
I'm going off the description here, which has been mostly using the term "lesbian" from what I've seen. Which, would by definition mean she isn't into cock. As that would be a bi-sexual. And sure, maybe she is, I don't know, and I don't care. But the term being used so far is "lesbian" and that has a very specific meaning. If it turns out, at a later date, that they further clarify it to being inclusive to men, then I'll stop using the term lesbian. For now though, that's what's being used, so I'm using it.CritialGaming said:
Kissing a woman, and establishing they have an intimate relationship isn't "assuming", it's working off some fairly specific, published information provided by the creators of the character. BEFORE this comic was published, they were assuming, now, it's less assumption.CritialGaming said:
Because there has been little to no positive representation of that demographic for a long time in entertainment, and most of the examples given have usually been support characters who just pop in to say something funny and gay, while the straight main characters do their thing. Or they are so stereotypical LGBT that it hurts the brain. Or they just misrepresented in a lot of ways that make, the group who are being represented, wishing for something more realistic and indicative of who they actually are. Not just some "token queer" or whatever. A fully realized character, with depth and flaws, who also happens to be LGBT.CritialGaming said:
I think the thing is, or at least partly what bothers some people about this, is that the only way to firmly establish this one aspect of their life, is to show them being intimate with the person, in a way that can't be misconstrued as "projecting". "They're not gay! They're just good friends!" kind of rationalization. So you have them, on screen, clearly and obviously doing something that only an intimate couple would do in such a way. A deep passionate kiss, greeting them at the door in sexy clothing, both of them crawling out of bed in the morning, etc. And for some, this is "shoving their sexuality down our throats!" "Why did you have to show me that!?" Well, so there was no ambiguity about their orientation for one. Maybe it never comes back up again in so blatant a manner, but it has to be done at least once, to make it official.
And to your comment about someone's sexuality being a small part of their lives, that's not true for everyone. And even if it is a small part, it's still a part of their lives. And if it's ok to show that incredibly small part of a heterosexual's life, why not for an LGBT too?
But a name is such a small part of my life, it's just the set of sounds associated with me, that people use to get my attention. That still doesn't change the instinctive reaction I have when a character in a show has my name. I feel a more distinct connection to them than I would have if they were named something else. Nobody else might give a shit that his name is Wesley, but I do, and it invests me more in the story, and that character's involvement in it. So yeah, I can totally see why it matters to some people, to be able to have a role model, or if nothing more than a self-insert that more easily fits their headspace. It makes the entertainment that more enjoyable for them. And I'm fine with that. Her LGBT status doesn't detract any from my enjoyment of the character, because the character, as she is, is enjoyable. Her humor, her love of life and people, her enthusiasm for what she does, etc. That's why I like her, if she also happens to be lesbian, ok then, so what? Hell in a way that makes another thing for me to have in common with her, us both enjoying vaginas, but from different angles.
I can kind of see that. But at the same time, aren't you letting your sexual preferences define who you are as a person?undeadsuitor said:
I remember growing up there was a badass heavy metal singer named Rob Halford, the lead singer for Judas Priest. He was the coolest ************ on the planet to a lot of people. Nobody knew he was gay, and it didn't matter until it got revealed later. For 99% of his fame he was just badass Rob Halford and because he didn't announce it, (But looking back he DID flaunt the shit out of it) it was never labeled upon him because his sexuality didn't matter. When it did get revealed there was a bit of shock, but ultimate Judas Priest remained as popular and badass as any 80's metal band could remain in the late 90's and early 00's.
I think part of the resistance from "normal" folks is the behavior around it. Flamboyance, odd personality traits, that usually get tacked on with said sexualities. It isn't who you have sex with, it's the surrounding behavior. Rob Halford IMO proved that, by not acting out with his homosexuality he was able to maintain a world spotlight and that part of him ended up not mattering to people.
Maybe I'm just being stupid about it.
I apologize for my ignorance regarding this.
I think you are helping to prove the point though. You say the problem that a lot of people have with gayness is the "baggage" with it. The flamboyancy that is the stereotype, personality traits, etc. THAT is why showing people who are LGBT, who aren't like that is important. It helps to break the stereotype that all lesbians are Zarya looking dykes, and all gay guys are flamboyant pansy fairies like Hollywood Montrose from the Mannequin movies. Sure, some people DO fit that stereotype, but not all of them do. Some of them are "normal" in the lexicon of the straight concept of that. They just happen to like gettin nekked with people of their same gender, or whatever. THAT representation is what is under represented. So, having characters like Tracer, who are a fairly normal, 20ish girl who is a hyper, energetic, fun loving person, AND who also happens to be gay, is a big deal. It helps shift the accepted concept in the public eye to something that is just an "everyday person". She doesn't have to flaunt her sexuality, and from what I can tell, she doesn't.CritialGaming said:
So let me ask you this. Does Tracer being gay actually help anything? Because she doesn't show strength from a stereotype, she is simply a strong women and Blizzard made her gay "just because". In Tracer's context, her sexuality is irrelevant, so why did it ever matter in the first place?Happyninja42 said:
I've said this before, but I understand wanting a gay option in games where sexuality is important (your Bioware games for example), but in a game where there is no sexual...anything...a character's sexuality means fuckall. Tracer's character is entirely based on her personality which shows no hints of her sexuality so her being a lesbian seems like a inconsequential footnote, not something the LBGT community should be hyped about.
Besides people R34 all the characters as Futa, LBGT's anyway, because none of the characters have those defining sexual charactistics. Thus the fans can make the characters whatever they want. When Blizzard starts making things official, the fans loose that freedom and that self projection to a certain degree.
No it doesn't help anything, it also doesn't hurt anything. It's just a thing.CritialGaming said:
I thought the last few posts in response to your previous statements made it pretty clear why it matters to some people.CritialGaming said:
Well we could point out that the medium this information was revealed, isn't the game. It's the comic book, the medium they are using to actually tell a story about the characters. Their motivations, desires, hopes, dreams, etc. You know, all those other things about who they are that aren't related to the game at all. In that medium, the reveal has more weight. Sure, it doesn't impact the game at all, but neither does knowing that Winston was raised by a scientist on the moon, and that's where he got his glasses, and that he was raised by that scientist to love all of life and the world, and to fight for it, even if it means doing the hard thing. None of that is relevant to the game at all. Blizzard could've just as easily said "He's a giant gorilla that fights, you don't need to know anything else about him." But it helps to flesh out Winston as a character, same goes for Tracer.CritialGaming said:
You're right, I agree, in porn, they can be whatever the fans want, that's not the same thing as what the creators want them to be.CritialGaming said:
To some degree yeah, but it also opens up more self-projection for another demographic. So it's a checks and balances thing. Sure, some heterosexuals might be less enthused by their favorite spunky girl not being straight like them, but all the people who will be enthused, have something to be enthused by now.CritialGaming said:
Bottom line, if Blizzard is going to actually develop a storyline out of the game, that expands on the universe they have created in the game, they can, and will, make definitive statements about the motivations and aspects of the characters they create. And since none of the stuff in the comics effects the game at all, we could argue that none of it should ever be established, because "it has nothing to do with the game". Because if you've ever read a comic book in your life, you know things like romance and love interests come up ALL the time. This is a comic book, it will cover all the stuff that don't deal with Tracer shooting shit in an arena. And that's fine.
I also know that comic books are constantly ret-coned. Characters change from one issue to the next a lot of the time. Which also means that this comic doesn't actually mean shit. Kinda silly really.Happyninja42 said:
I wouldn't care if Tracer hid a 12 inch dong between her legs. It doesn't matter to her character, or the things she had done. Until Blizzard releases a story in which her sexuality has meaning to her actions and motivations. It doesn't matter. That's me and I will never understand why it matters to others. Just like I don't understand how people can like Overwatch in the first place. I'm strange.
That's kind of true only when comic books are the main franchise. So, Batman, Spiderman, etc - those ones - especially for the long running ones. It's not inherent for the comic book medium as a whole. Heck, you can also see this happening in long running series, too - take Supernatural for example.CritialGaming said:
In this case the comic book is also a supplementary material to another product - a game. It would not be that expected for this to be retconed.
No big news.
Now, had they revealed that a MALE hero was gay? THAT would have been brave by Blizzard, and an outrage on the internet.
But, lesbians? They've been in videogames since forever and nobody really cared much. Lesbians don't "threaten" straight males, who are the demographic who usually doesn't accept homosexuals (also, I'm making broad generalizations here). Also, lesbians pretty much work as a straight male fantasy.
So, it's really no big news.
All in all, like with everything Blizzard has done with Overwatch, they're trying to make the cake and eat it too.... or however the saying goes.
Now, had they revealed that a MALE hero was gay? THAT would have been brave by Blizzard, and an outrage on the internet.
But, lesbians? They've been in videogames since forever and nobody really cared much. Lesbians don't "threaten" straight males, who are the demographic who usually doesn't accept homosexuals (also, I'm making broad generalizations here). Also, lesbians pretty much work as a straight male fantasy.
So, it's really no big news.
All in all, like with everything Blizzard has done with Overwatch, they're trying to make the cake and eat it too.... or however the saying goes.
Have they announced any other characters sexualities? or put anything about the characters in game yet (havent played in ages). Surely if they were going to do this they would have a character sheet with these on at the start. If it was not important enough to warrant mention at that time then I dont see why it is important to note now.
If they are going to add sexualities to the characters then fine do it if you feel the need but there is no need to make an announcement of it. I would find it very tacky if they made any deal over this whatsoever especially when it is such a superfluous and low effort addition.
That said I do not follow Overwatch and so am unaware how or if they made an announcement about it. If they did not say anything and just added it meh yeah ok fine but if they said oh one of our characters is gay its a bit sad imo especially if they left people hanging for a while because its inconsequential, pure fluff that does nothing and means nothing with such low effort tagging.
Guess the next one to be announced will be Winston is into bestiality. Or Reaper is a Necrophiliac or some nonsense. Actually I would love it if they gave every character some strange sexuality, Straight, Gay, Bi doesnt really add much to the characters.
If they are going to add sexualities to the characters then fine do it if you feel the need but there is no need to make an announcement of it. I would find it very tacky if they made any deal over this whatsoever especially when it is such a superfluous and low effort addition.
That said I do not follow Overwatch and so am unaware how or if they made an announcement about it. If they did not say anything and just added it meh yeah ok fine but if they said oh one of our characters is gay its a bit sad imo especially if they left people hanging for a while because its inconsequential, pure fluff that does nothing and means nothing with such low effort tagging.
Guess the next one to be announced will be Winston is into bestiality. Or Reaper is a Necrophiliac or some nonsense. Actually I would love it if they gave every character some strange sexuality, Straight, Gay, Bi doesnt really add much to the characters.