Trailers: Eve Online: Incursion Trailer
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Yet another EVE trailer that communicates nothing of importance to non-players. Seriously, every EVE trailer ive seen (ive seen 4 or 5) is the same, a bunch of ships fighting in space and some random radio chatter, and i can never discern what the new expansion is about.
This game has a bloody steep learning curve, but all you really need to know in order to not get relentlessly spanked and quit the game after 2 weeks is that there are griefers EVERYWHERE. Around every corner awaits some basement dweller out to suckle on your delicious tears. Do not agree to any requests by strange players, and don't trust a single person, else you will probably lose many ships to silly mistakes.
Thought i was going to see KANE for a second in that trailer! XD Do love that they are giving love to the pirate factions \o/
Man kind wish CCP would go back to using more in game assets in their trailers. Guess thats just me. That and using some awesomesauce music again.
these com voice over ones are just the bees-knees!
the one with the Black Sun Empire - Arrakis ♥
My all time favorite Eve Trailer! Eve Never Fades! with the original Junkie XL - Beauty Never Fades ♥♥♥
Man kind wish CCP would go back to using more in game assets in their trailers. Guess thats just me. That and using some awesomesauce music again.
these com voice over ones are just the bees-knees!
the one with the Black Sun Empire - Arrakis ♥
My all time favorite Eve Trailer! Eve Never Fades! with the original Junkie XL - Beauty Never Fades ♥♥♥
It's not really about anything, because there is no "real story" (as far as i know). It's more intrigues of your Alliance, Corperation and so forth. A real Alliance war that rages across our territory is exciting.3nimac said:
The expansions just feels like a reason to add more stuff. On the other hand, it's free as long as you subscribe.
By the way, whatever happend to walking in stations? I still want to do that.
I know I was laughing the whole time. The game play is so incredibly different from what a player could hope for watching that. But judging from all the trailers they post, I severely doubt their marketing department has ever actually seen the game.Ragnarok2kx said:
It could be a much better game if it didn't have pacing issues (in nearly every aspect of the game) that make DBZ seem like a five episode mini-series.
I must say, you are wrong on the "no real story" part. There's hundreds of pages worth of published lore (this is a compilation up to date as of December I think) http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/SantaClaw/The_Book_of_EVE_v1.5.pdf plus 2 novels published so far. This doesn't even include all the stuff in-game, like info you get from certain mission arcs and especially the stuff people in the exploration profession get. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1314015 pretty cool forum thread that hints at players driving updates as they discover certain new bits.Duendain said:
Also, not all trailers are the same, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXY1yJNboOo for example was shown while that expansion was being released, detailing the events as they happened in the Eve universe. These same events are explained in much greater detail in the novel with the same name as the expansion, 'Empyrean Age'. So.. yeah, point is there's loads of lore in there for those willing to look for it and the expansions do further the storyline, updating content that falls in line with what's going on in-game (like the new Sansha Supercarrier class ship being used in the incursions)
Um, as for walking in stations, that will possibly be released in the next expansion (summer 2011) or the one after that next winter. Hopefully we'll get the details in March after fanfest along with DUST514 info.
My Gods, i thought I was the only one making a concious effort to keep away from EVE. In theory it;s everything I ever wanted from any game, not only MMOs. In practice it oftenly doesn't feel like a game at all. Plus, Corporations?!? I know it;s basically a guild or a clan with a different name, but ooooh! wht a rubbish name. Anybody who's actually worked in Corp. Office (in that putrid place called real life) doesn't want to get of home to the other Corporation. At least if they're sane.
And I still would ignore all that in a flash if EVE would be at least half as good as it's trailers.
On the plus side it has a pretty solid fan-base, on of the reasons it seems that EVE trailers don't actually offer stuff to the non-players it's beacause they're not exactly directed at them.
And I still would ignore all that in a flash if EVE would be at least half as good as it's trailers.
On the plus side it has a pretty solid fan-base, on of the reasons it seems that EVE trailers don't actually offer stuff to the non-players it's beacause they're not exactly directed at them.
Actually it's between 320 - 350 subscribers, not Earth shattering but pretty good when you consider it's a very niche product. I mean the number of people who want a player driven market PvP focused multiplayer Elite isn't that great.RebellionXXI said:
That is the gist of Sansha's Nation yes. But it's a very shade of grey thing. The fluff is that he set off to the depths of space (0.0 space) and set up his own empire that grew quite large and was by all accounts utopian on the surface. Underneath the brainwashed cybrog True Slaves, Minmatar slaves sold by the Amarr (two of the four factions the player can roll), (Minmatar are escaped slaves, Amarr... zealots) kept things running and when that came out... all four of the main empires went 'hulk smash'... including the Amarr to save face.
As far as current lore is concerned. Sansha Nation or just Nation as they call it started out as a guy called Sansha Kuvakei who wanted to advance people via cybernetic implants and experimentation. Alas as with all tales, power corrupted his efforts and he decided that what was holding back humans was their free will and set about removing this. As the 4 empires discovered what he was doing they set about crushing his empire and tried to kill him. This was believed to be the case and they settled back thinking their work was done.
But Nation continued, be it on a much smaller scale. Now and then infiltrating stations and planets, implanting people to become sleeper slaves for Nation and othertimes abducting small populations to bolster their numbers. But for the most part they were no more then a nuisance. This has recently changed.
Nation have gained some new wormhole technology that allows them to open wormholes in any system and abduct whole planetary populations. These "Incursions" are the basis for the expansion. That announcements will go out of an Incursion taking place in x system and that system then becomes a special PVE event. However they are not purely player v ai as Nation has supporters who are actual players and can show up to these events to fight players trying to stop Nation. The Incursions are scaled to allow a mixed size of fleets. From the smallest that a small gang could tackle, to full on invasions that may well need forces of hundreds to tackle.
There are many other add ons for this new expansion, the next big part is the introduction of their Carbon character creator. A much more advanced way to create your character over the early stuff. This is in advance of a future expansion called Incarna currently. That expansion will see you finally leaving your ship and exploring stations on foot.
As far as new people trying the game. yes playing it solo can be very off putting and dull. Get involved with others as soon as you can. Corporations take many forms and will often be eager to take on newer players to train up. I found myself getting a lot of invites while helping on a Epic Mission Arc based around the Arnon system.
For anyone trying it out and still struggling or unsure about what to try out, look up Eve University. They are a 6 year old player teaching corp and a few weeks or months there can realy help with that insane learning curve.
They also have a free wiki which anyone can read up in without joining the corp itself.
But Nation continued, be it on a much smaller scale. Now and then infiltrating stations and planets, implanting people to become sleeper slaves for Nation and othertimes abducting small populations to bolster their numbers. But for the most part they were no more then a nuisance. This has recently changed.
Nation have gained some new wormhole technology that allows them to open wormholes in any system and abduct whole planetary populations. These "Incursions" are the basis for the expansion. That announcements will go out of an Incursion taking place in x system and that system then becomes a special PVE event. However they are not purely player v ai as Nation has supporters who are actual players and can show up to these events to fight players trying to stop Nation. The Incursions are scaled to allow a mixed size of fleets. From the smallest that a small gang could tackle, to full on invasions that may well need forces of hundreds to tackle.
There are many other add ons for this new expansion, the next big part is the introduction of their Carbon character creator. A much more advanced way to create your character over the early stuff. This is in advance of a future expansion called Incarna currently. That expansion will see you finally leaving your ship and exploring stations on foot.
As far as new people trying the game. yes playing it solo can be very off putting and dull. Get involved with others as soon as you can. Corporations take many forms and will often be eager to take on newer players to train up. I found myself getting a lot of invites while helping on a Epic Mission Arc based around the Arnon system.
For anyone trying it out and still struggling or unsure about what to try out, look up Eve University. They are a 6 year old player teaching corp and a few weeks or months there can realy help with that insane learning curve.
They also have a free wiki which anyone can read up in without joining the corp itself.
I've tried it. for about a day. got totally lost when I tried to go... somewhere... I forgot where. not even sure I knew where I was trying to go at the time. Now I'm considering going back, but i'm not sure I want to pay for it, and I doubt I'll understand it this time... Still, the idea of flying one of those capital ships.... I REALLY liked the space combat in Empire at War, does it in any way feel like that?
I once tried earning money as a blockade runner. That was my daliance with alternate gameplay, and i have to admit; it was pretty thrilling.Tibike77 said:First off, you really hit the nail on the head : at its most tedious, EVE is not really more tedious than just about any other MMO.RebellionXXI said:
However, if you're smart about it, you can side-step most of the tediousness and do whatever floats your boat. You can easily get by with either tedium (easiest for people with loads of time to kill), cunning (especially rewarding if you can manage it, because you CAN make a fortune with not much effort but loads of brain cycles) or brute force (in this case, a rich real-life wallet - selling GTCs or PLEX for in-game funding via the approved methodology is perfectly fine with the developers, and buying high-SP-count characters with in-game money is also perfectly ok).
The beauty of it all however is that it doesn't really matter how you make your in-game money, and that while important, no amount of in-game money will ever be a substitute for actual player (as in, you, the human controlling the character) experience. In-game money can very easily be gained (if you know what you're doing) or extremely easily lost (if you're careless and put all your virtual eggs in a single virtual basket).
Second, the subscriber count is almost 350,000 not just 100,000 as you seem to think. True, the concurrent user count is under 100k, but that's just accounts online at that particular moment (it's quite unusual to get more than 20% of subscribing accounts online at the same time). And the huge draw over games like WoW is that everything happens in a single universe, where EVERYTHING is connected. Well, for me it's a huge advantage, bit it might not really appeal to some others. Eh, to each his own, I guess.
Finally, the reason WoW will always have many more subscribers is quite simple : WoW is both *easy* and *simple*, while EVE is designed from the ground up to be both rather brutal and extremely complex.
WoW is the poster child of what EVE players call a "theme park" MMO (with its rollercoaster rides, guided tours and very gentle handholding all along to the top), while EVE is a self-proclaimed "sandbox" MMO... but most players agree it's actually a huge sandbox with a tiny relatively safe area, beyond which lie quicksand traps, landmines, razor blades and a zillion little bitey stabby things just waiting to obliterate you.
...
Yes, EVE can be long stretches of boredom punctuated by insanely hectic "fight for your life" all-guns-ablazing moments, but after you experience a few of those in which you're not completely obliterated, you don't really mind all the boredom in between anymore.
You will NEVER experience adrenaline rushes in any other game like you will in EVE, because everything you do matters and the death penalty can be HARSH for the unprepared. It can still be harsh even for the prepared, because YOU choose how much of what you own you want to risk. Some very rich players intentionally fly ships fitted with expensive gear that a newbie could only dream of just because otherwise they don't feel "the rush" anymore... and if a gang of newbies manages to catch such a person on the wrong foot (because, unlike in WoW, that can actually happen in EVE), the newbies will have surely be hit a big jackpot when they turn all the loot into in-game funds.
Me, I've been playing for nearly 5 years and not thinking about quitting any time soon (even if I surely had quite a few "what the hell, developers" moments every now and then).
I've tried quite a few other MMOs and got easily bored with each, always back to EVE (which was only on the back burner, never left for good).
EVE, you either intensely love it or kind of hate it, there's not much middle ground.
Unless you're a jaded veteran of it
In that case, it's just ok, but all other MMOs seem... inadequate in comparison.
I suppose my main problem with EVE (and MMOs in general) is that I never got particularly involved with the social aspect of the game, which is basically to say that I missed the point. You're absolutely right to say that if you play the game on a level that goes beyond the basic mechanics you can bypass a lot of the tedium, most of the time.
Now that I think about it more, I suppose the biggest problem I had with EVE (and other MMOs as well) is that I could have spent that time playing other games which were more consistently involving.
Perhaps if I went back into EVE with a stronger entrepreneurial spirit I could have more fun. However, I'm too involved with other games right now to really want to bother with it.
I once tried earning money as a blockade runner. That was my daliance with alternate gameplay, and i have to admit; it was pretty thrilling.Tibike77 said:First off, you really hit the nail on the head : at its most tedious, EVE is not really more tedious than just about any other MMO.RebellionXXI said:
However, if you're smart about it, you can side-step most of the tediousness and do whatever floats your boat. You can easily get by with either tedium (easiest for people with loads of time to kill), cunning (especially rewarding if you can manage it, because you CAN make a fortune with not much effort but loads of brain cycles) or brute force (in this case, a rich real-life wallet - selling GTCs or PLEX for in-game funding via the approved methodology is perfectly fine with the developers, and buying high-SP-count characters with in-game money is also perfectly ok).
The beauty of it all however is that it doesn't really matter how you make your in-game money, and that while important, no amount of in-game money will ever be a substitute for actual player (as in, you, the human controlling the character) experience. In-game money can very easily be gained (if you know what you're doing) or extremely easily lost (if you're careless and put all your virtual eggs in a single virtual basket).
Second, the subscriber count is almost 350,000 not just 100,000 as you seem to think. True, the concurrent user count is under 100k, but that's just accounts online at that particular moment (it's quite unusual to get more than 20% of subscribing accounts online at the same time). And the huge draw over games like WoW is that everything happens in a single universe, where EVERYTHING is connected. Well, for me it's a huge advantage, bit it might not really appeal to some others. Eh, to each his own, I guess.
Finally, the reason WoW will always have many more subscribers is quite simple : WoW is both *easy* and *simple*, while EVE is designed from the ground up to be both rather brutal and extremely complex.
WoW is the poster child of what EVE players call a "theme park" MMO (with its rollercoaster rides, guided tours and very gentle handholding all along to the top), while EVE is a self-proclaimed "sandbox" MMO... but most players agree it's actually a huge sandbox with a tiny relatively safe area, beyond which lie quicksand traps, landmines, razor blades and a zillion little bitey stabby things just waiting to obliterate you.
...
Yes, EVE can be long stretches of boredom punctuated by insanely hectic "fight for your life" all-guns-ablazing moments, but after you experience a few of those in which you're not completely obliterated, you don't really mind all the boredom in between anymore.
You will NEVER experience adrenaline rushes in any other game like you will in EVE, because everything you do matters and the death penalty can be HARSH for the unprepared. It can still be harsh even for the prepared, because YOU choose how much of what you own you want to risk. Some very rich players intentionally fly ships fitted with expensive gear that a newbie could only dream of just because otherwise they don't feel "the rush" anymore... and if a gang of newbies manages to catch such a person on the wrong foot (because, unlike in WoW, that can actually happen in EVE), the newbies will have surely be hit a big jackpot when they turn all the loot into in-game funds.
Me, I've been playing for nearly 5 years and not thinking about quitting any time soon (even if I surely had quite a few "what the hell, developers" moments every now and then).
I've tried quite a few other MMOs and got easily bored with each, always back to EVE (which was only on the back burner, never left for good).
EVE, you either intensely love it or kind of hate it, there's not much middle ground.
Unless you're a jaded veteran of it
In that case, it's just ok, but all other MMOs seem... inadequate in comparison.
I suppose my main problem with EVE (and MMOs in general) is that I never got particularly involved with the social aspect of the game, which is basically to say that I missed the point. You're absolutely right to say that if you play the game on a level that goes beyond the basic mechanics you can bypass a lot of the tedium, most of the time.
Now that I think about it more, I suppose the biggest problem I had with EVE (and other MMOs as well) is that I could have spent that time playing other games which were more consistently involving.
Perhaps if I went back into EVE with a stronger entrepreneurial spirit I could have more fun. However, I'm too involved with other games right now to really want to bother with it.